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A20391	A dialogue, concerning the strife of our churche wherein are aunswered diuers of those vniust accusations, wherewith the godly preachers and professors of the Gospell, are falsly charged; with a briefe declaration of some such monstrous abuses, as our byshops haue not bene ashamed to foster.		1584 (1584)	STC 6801; ESTC S109629	51,954	154

knowledge of God will confesse that the Pope and his Cardinals are the scismatikes and that the other were Gods true seruantes And why He is the Scismatike which doth depart from the trueth and maintaine corruption although it be with neuer so great pretence of peace and quietnesse For shal there be peace against God Shal there be peace against the truth Shall there be peace to the destruction of mens soules and laying wast of the church On the other side shall those bee called Scismatikes which stand for the truth which séek the saluation of mens soules Yée must bring better stuffe vnlesse yee will fight as the Papistes do Philochrematos This comparison which you make is verye vnequal for the state of our Church is not like the state of the Church of Rome We haue the Gospell established and sincerely taught there is Idolatrie and all kinde of false doctrine set foorth and maintained The Pope with his Cardinals and Byshops be the Scismatikes because they maintaine that which is vngodly and goe against the truth And therfore they do lewdly and vniustly charge maister Luther maister Caluine and the rest to be Scismatikes which in deed set foorth the truth And therefore I say still they be Scismatikes which trouble and disturbe the vnitie peace of that Church where the Gospell is purely taught It is you that muste bring better stuffe such as you are do rather conspire with the Papistes to reason as they doe and to fight with such weapons as they doe Orthodoxos Yee doe me wrong in saying that I compare the state of our Church with the Church of Rome For they maintaine Idolatrie and false doctrine as you haue truely said and we haue the Gospell established and sincerely taught A brought in the Church of Rome but as an example to shew that they are not alway Scismatikes which go against the state of a Church neither are they alwayes to bee excused as free from Scisme which maintaine vnitie and peace For I pray yee tell me if in a Church there be foule abuses and such as are intollerable as bringing hazarde both to the Church and common wealth one part cry out against them an other part defend and cherishe them who are the Scismatikes True it is there woulde bee no stirre if none did finde fault But will yee saye they bee Scismatikes which doe publishe the truth to throw downe falsehood Or will yee saye those are no Scismatikes which do withstande and fight against the trueth because they woulde haue an vnitie and quiet estate Philochrematos I doe graunt that where there are intollerable corruptions those are Scismatikes which doe maintaine the same Because they make a rent from God and from his truth howsoeuer they be at vnitie amongest them selues I doe also confesse that it is the part of euerye Godly Preacher in due time and place and in good sorte to reprooue such corruptions and although there shoulde be a Scisme by that meanes yet they are not to bee accounted Scismatikes for they haue doone but their duetie But what is this to the purpose Doth this discharge our Puritanes from Scisme Our Church hath no such abuses They be but toyes and trifles which they striue about It is a great wickednes for men to make a broyle and striue in the Church about matters of no importaunce It were much better for them to imploy them selues to teach the people to know their dutie Orthodox I am fully of your mind in this point that it is a great wickednes for mē to make any broyle in the Church for trifles and matters of no importance the peace of the Church ought to be deare vnto men And I doe not thinke there is anye Church which is so pure in doctrine and gouernement but it hath some little spots You doe also graunt as much as I doe require when yee say those are Scismatikes which maintaine intollerable corruptions and such as reprooue them doe but their duetie For it must follow that some of our chiefe Prelates do bring in and maintaine intollerable abuses that they bee the Scismatikes and the cause of all mischiefe in our Church and then the Precisian as you terme him doth but discharge his duety in finding fault Philochrematos I tolde yee before and I tell yee againe and againe I doe affirme it that they bee trifles which our Puritans do striue about If you can shew anye intollerable corruption which our lawe doth establish yee say somewhat For our chiefe Prelates mainetaine nothing but the lawes Orthodoxos You tell me they be trifles when I know that your tongue can tell nothing but truth I will beleeue yee Yee woulde haue me shew any such abuse established by our lawe as is intollerable I tell yee flatly my iudgement is this that the verye grounde and substaunce of our lawes is the worde of God And that the verye minde and intent of the lawe is that whatsoeuer is against God and his worde shoulde be throwne downe And I doe not take that man to iudge so dutifully as he ought to doe of his Prince and noble Counsellers which doth not thinke that their whole purpose was to set vp Gods truth and to throw downe wickednes and therfore made such lawes as did tend to that effect And also I am perswaded that the grosse abuses in our Church are either by neglect of the lawes or else by peruerting the true meaning of the lawes by some of those which shoulde put them in execution Will not you affirme that our lawes haue this minde and equitie in them that nothing shoulde bee which is againste the manifest worde of God and which destroyeth his Church for the maintenaunce whereof in deed our lawes were established Philochrematos What if I affirme that our lawes haue this minde and equitie in them that nothing shoulde be which is againste the manifest word of God or which destroyeth his Church as in deede I doe affirme What can yee gather thereby but onely this which maketh flatlye against yee That looke howe much more Godlye the lawes are so much greater is their offence in disobeying them Orthodoxos That which you saye is true the more Godlye the lawes are the more is the offence of those which disobeye them But giue me leaue now to shew wherein disobedience lyeth and to gather that which I perceiue you do not yet see The law of God is absolutely perfect both in the purpose of requiring that which is Godly and also in expressing the same in most perfect forme Herevpon it followeth that so soon as euer a man swarueth from the law of God in any 〈…〉 Now when mē come to make laws to establishe the lawes and worship of God in any kingdom let them be the wisest and the lernedest and the most Godly in the whole world Let the multitude of them be very great Let their whole purpose and care be to set foorth no law but that which in euery respect is

as do Princes verie great hurt doe accuse those to be euill subiectes which of all other are the most faithfull Did not Abner and other of King Saules Councellers take them selues to be his best subiects and yet who led him from God vnto his destruction but they by stirring him vp to persecute Dauid Did they not accuse Dauid to be a traitour yet who was so faithful and true harted vnto his Lord as he Wise men must not be carried away with a blast of wordes nor with some colour of matter which vngodly men neuer want against the good Philocrhematos I perceiue it is but in vaine to spende the time in talking with such as you which are obstinately wilfullie bent You will be singuler Orthodoxos Obstinacie and wilfulnes can not be but in an vngodly and naughtie matter For a man can not be too stedfast in the truth Let the cause be good and the more stiffe and constant the minde is so much the better If I haue vttered or defend anie falshood let me be conuicted and I will yeeld If I be not conuicted what reason is there that I shoulde be charged with wilfulnes or obstinacie If Iesus Christ and his Apostles be of my side what wickednes is it to say I would be singuler Philodox It were well if yee would all agree teach vs that be of the laiety by your good example for that ought to be in yee And how shal it be expected at our hands to liue in vnitie to do well when those are at discord and variaunce which should instruct and guid vs Can yee exhort vs vnto concorde and your selues at variance Orthodox You speak of that which was neuer seene in this world nor neuer shall For so long as God hath faithfull messengers so long will also the Deuill haue his vngodly instrumentes These can neuer agree the one part seruing god the other liuing viciously And I pray yee how or wherin wold yee haue them to agree Which part shall condescend vnto the other Which part shal yeeld Shall those that holde the truth giue ouer That is abhominable to bee spoken and shall neuer be Will those that are vngodlie yeelde submit them selues vnto the truth No their stomach will not let them though they be conuict in conscience Moreouer this is to be noted that such a man as is not sanctified but delighteth in worldly lustes cannot abide the puritie of the word which doth condemne him Herein the world is iniurious that they crie out for vnitie vnitie blaming alwaies that part which holdeth the truth because they woulde haue them yeelde vnto their affections seeing they cannot abide to forsake their vild lustes Againe a number of yee beeing ouercome of your carnall lustes are glad to make this pretence and excuse We cannot tell what to do The Preachers cannot agree they be all naught what shold we giue heede to follow any thing which they teach these be hellish and brutish speeches Yee must seeke out which hold the truth which call yee vnto true godlines and amendement of life and with them yee must be at vnity The true Preachers are not to exhort men to be at such an vnitie as you imagine But they must teach them to flie the fellowship of the wicked I woulde to God men woulde consider this and tourne vnto him and not like Giants fight against him Philodoxos I do not thinke that anie do fight against God You shoulde not vtter anie such speeche vnlesse yee did know it to be true a man can not fight against God vnlesse hee hate God and I dare not iudge so euill of anie man Orthodoxos You think none fight against God because whomsoeuer a mā fighteth against him he hateth and you dare not iudge so euil of anie man to be so fowlie giuen ouer as to hate God It is grose ignorance in ye which seemeth to be excellent modestie For if you had eies that could discern you should see how horriblie some men doe hate the Lorde God and desperatlie fight against him Moste true it is the wicked men are so blinded by a iust iudgment of God vpon them that they think they loue God or at least that they do not hate him But we maie not iudge according to the sence of flesh bloud but according to the sacred truth of holie scripture by which I wil make the matter plaine vnto yee The blessed Apostle Rom. 8. doth affirme that such as walke after the flesh shall dye He rendreth a reason which is that the wisdom of the flesh is enimity against God And whie is it enimitie against God or whie doth the holy ghost charge it to leaue hatred against him because saith the Apostle It is not subiect to the law of God neither in deede can bee Marke this well for it is euen as a thūderbolt wherby al the wicked are striken down they bear themselues in hand that they loue God they make open brags and vaunts that they be his friendes but you maie learn heere frō the mouth of the Lorde him selfe that whosoeuer are not Subiect to the obedience of his law they bee his enimies and doe hate him Then doth it follow that whosoeuer do fight against his word or anie parte thereof they are his enimies they doe hate him fight against him Then let vs come to the matter Is there anie reasonable man but will confesse that Gods worde doth commaund learned godlie ministers to teach and guid his people Doth not the scripture laie woes and curses vpō those that be contrarie Is it not his holie ordinance that euerie shepheard shall attend vpon the flock of which he hath taken the charge and ouersight Do not those then monstrouslie fight against God and hate him which in sermons in their bookes published abroad do with reasons drawne from the wisedome of the flesh defend non residentes double beneficed men the vnlearned ministery with sundrie abominations The dreadfull vengeance of God doth hang ouer the heads of such men vnlesse they repent in time They doe against their Conscience for they can not but know such things as be euill The loue of the world doth carrie thē vnto it God hath also commaunded that his messengers shall be well intertained that his Church maie be built Do they not then directly fight against him which deface molest them depriuing multitudes of people of the foode of theire soules This is yet a more shamelesse matter that euen such as be old turncoats it is to be feared readie to saie Masse again are great instrumentes Such beeing known athiests are not ashamed to step into the Pulpit to charge the Godlie faithfull messengers of the Lorde to be Atheists rebells traitors I know not what If the cause bee good let not such guiltie persons defend it take such as be not spotted Shall those stand as the champions in the Lords battell which haue imbraced this present worlde and seeke after gaine These fight for their bellie not for the Lord. Those whom the people calleth greedie Dogs could not be more greedie then these for they be neuer satisfied The Lord giue them repentance or else disburden his church of them Philedonos I am sorie there is anie such taske in my house If you will go to your chambers all things are readie the Night is well spent FINIS