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and_o doctrine_n go_v together_o we_o agree_v so_o that_o the_o question_n be_v not_o what_o may_v be_v give_v they_o gag_n p._n 319._o these_o word_n as_o they_o lie_v be_v void_a of_o sense_n they_o contain_v neither_o affirmation_n nor_o negation_n they_o bring_v nothing_o that_o be_v affirm_v of_o or_o deny_v unto_o to_o speak_v formal_o they_o have_v neither_o subject_n predicate_v nor_o vinculum_fw-la if_o this_o word_n your_o be_v add_v unto_o the_o word_n practice_n and_o doctrine_n and_o the_o word_n than_o be_v put_v before_o the_o word_n we_o agree_v than_o that_o sentence_n may_v be_v understand_v but_o he_o will_v not_o abide_v he_o that_o shall_v do_v so_o for_o he_o rage_v against_o he_o that_o shall_v do_v so_o appeal_v p._n 256._o etc._n etc._n whether_o those_o word_n be_v add_v or_o no_o his_o agreement_n with_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n do_v sufficient_o show_v itself_o in_o they_o for_o 1._o these_o word_n be_v speak_v unto_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n with_o 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he_o put_v the_o difference_n between_o himself_o and_o they_o gag_n page_n 299._o and_o 319._o i_o answer_v this_o be_v not_o sufficient_a to_o excuse_v he_o from_o agree_v with_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n for_o the_o one_o instance_n allege_v be_v matter_n of_o fact_n and_o have_v not_o to_o do_v in_o this_o business_n which_o concern_v only_o the_o faith_n of_o their_o church_n the_o other_o which_o be_v the_o sentence_n of_o thomas_n be_v matter_n of_o opinion_n which_o the_o council_n have_v not_o decree_v and_o bellarmine_n say_v de_fw-fr imag._n lib._n 2._o cap._n 20._o there_o be_v three_o opinion_n in_o their_o church_n touch_v this_o thing_n whereof_o this_o of_o thomas_n be_v but_o one_o so_o that_o we_o may_v conclude_v he_o differ_v from_o they_o in_o one_o opinion_n hold_v by_o some_o among_o they_o and_o this_o be_v all_o he_o say_v and_o therefore_o for_o all_o this_o he_o consent_v with_o they_o in_o matter_n of_o faith_n which_o be_v the_o thing_n we_o seek_v for_o i_o answer_v further_o it_o do_v not_o appear_v that_o he_o do_v dissent_v from_o they_o in_o this_o opinion_n neither_o for_o he_o yield_v honour_n unto_o image_n gag_n page_n 318._o but_o do_v not_o show_v we_o what_o be_v the_o nature_n thereof_o whereby_o we_o may_v be_v able_a to_o discern_v the_o difference_n of_o that_o honour_n which_o he_o give_v from_o that_o which_o they_o give_v if_o it_o be_v reply_v the_o council_n give_v little_a honour_n to_o image_n and_o that_o which_o thomas_n give_v be_v the_o main_a and_o chief_a thing_n to_o be_v blame_v i_o answer_v that_o honour_n which_o the_o council_n give_v be_v false_o give_v and_o be_v a_o matter_n of_o faith_n which_o we_o may_v not_o receive_v for_o every_o false_a faith_n be_v a_o addition_n to_o the_o divine_a revelation_n if_o you_o ask_v whether_o he_o agree_v with_o the_o church_n of_o england_n or_o not_o he_o will_v answer_v he_o do_v agree_v with_o it_o and_o do_v affirm_v so_o much_o in_o effect_n gag_n page_n 318._o 319._o but_o it_o be_v a_o mere_a pretence_n without_o show_n of_o truth_n he_o can_v allege_v no_o one_o passage_n in_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n which_o appoint_v that_o any_o image_n of_o christ_n and_o the_o saint_n shall_v be_v set_v up_o in_o church_n or_o that_o any_o kind_n of_o honour_n shall_v be_v do_v unto_o they_o be_v set_v up_o there_o or_o which_o assign_v unto_o they_o any_o use_n in_o religion_n much_o less_o that_o they_o shall_v be_v help_n of_o piety_n etc._n etc._n the_o case_n be_v such_o it_o be_v a_o face_n without_o a_o face_n that_o say_v we_o and_o protestant_n do_v they_o all_o gag_n page_n 318._o the_o very_a truth_n be_v he_o do_v contradict_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n in_o some_o of_o these_o position_n direct_o and_o in_o other_o some_o by_o necessary_a consequence_n and_o i_o prove_v it_o thus_o the_o doctrine_n conclude_v and_o urge_v in_o the_o homily_n be_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n for_o the_o book_n itself_o and_o the_o use_n thereof_o be_v establish_v by_o public_a authority_n and_o the_o subscription_n of_o all_o minister_n artic._n 35._o but_o he_o do_v contradict_v the_o doctrine_n conclude_v and_o urge_v in_o the_o homily_n therefore_o he_o do_v contradict_v etc._n etc._n the_o assumption_n or_o second_o part_n will_v be_v apparent_a to_o he_o that_o read_v the_o word_n on_o both_o side_n set_v down_o in_o the_o former_a chapter_n it_o say_v idol_n and_o image_n be_v the_o same_o thing_n and_o allege_v the_o use_n of_o scripture_n for_o it_o he_o say_v image_n and_o idol_n may_v be_v two_o thing_n that_o be_v be_v not_o one_o it_o say_v image_n may_v not_o be_v bring_v into_o church_n and_o that_o be_v there_o they_o be_v unlawful_a and_o intolerable_a he_o say_v they_o may_v be_v bring_v into_o church_n they_o be_v not_o unlawful_a and_o be_v sometime_o profitable_a all_o which_o be_v direct_a contradiction_n affirm_v what_o it_o deni_v and_o deny_v what_o it_o affirm_v last_o if_o image_n may_v not_o be_v bring_v into_o church_n then_o may_v they_o not_o be_v employ_v in_o religion_n for_o help_n of_o piety_n the_o instruction_n of_o the_o ignorant_a and_o the_o stir_v up_o of_o devotion_n etc._n etc._n for_o these_o be_v more_o than_o that_o because_o image_n in_o church_n may_v be_v for_o ornament_n or_o for_o no_o use_n the_o homily_n do_v deny_v the_o place_n of_o image_n in_o church_n therefore_o it_o must_v also_o deny_v they_o to_o be_v help_n unto_o piety_n etc._n etc._n now_o he_o teach_v contradictory_n to_o this_o in_o make_v image_n help_v unto_o piety_n therefore_o he_o do_v contradict_v that_o which_o follow_v upon_o the_o word_n of_o the_o homily_n by_o necessary_a consequence_n let_v we_o see_v how_o he_o will_v avoid_v this_o objection_n and_o for_o that_o end_n thus_o he_o say_v appeal_v page_n 260._o i_o admit_v the_o homily_n to_o contain_v godly_a exhortation_n but_o not_o as_o the_o public_a dogmatic_a resolution_n of_o our_o church_n or_o doctrine_n to_o be_v propugn_v and_o subscribe_v in_o all_o and_o every_o point_n i_o answer_v in_o the_o 12._o chapter_n no_o 8._o he_o extol_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o homily_n as_o a_o authentical_a record_n of_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n in_o this_o place_n he_o deny_v they_o to_o contain_v the_o dogmatic_a resolution_n of_o our_o church_n so_o constant_a be_v he_o and_o so_o settle_v in_o his_o judgement_n let_v we_o take_v what_o he_o will_v admit_v which_o we_o find_v to_o be_v three_o thing_n first_o they_o be_v exhortation_n second_o godly_a three_o to_o be_v propugn_v and_o subscribe_v in_o some_o thing_n i_o require_v no_o more_o exhortation_n they_o be_v that_o
rome_n call_v voluntary_a work_n work_n of_o supererogation_n artic._n 14._o so_o do_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n as_o i_o have_v show_v out_o of_o bellarmine_n n_o o_o 1._o therefore_o the_o church_n of_o england_n and_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v ignorant_a and_o fantastical_a 2_o o_o mr_n mountagu_n who_o do_v you_o make_v yourself_o to_o be_v do_v you_o know_v the_o faith_n of_o rome_n better_a than_o your_o mother_n nay_o better_o than_o yourself_o you_o subscribe_v that_o article_n and_o thereby_o profess_v those_o word_n of_o she_o to_o be_v true_a be_v the_o other_o end_n of_o your_o tongue_n turn_v outward_o that_o you_o now_o unsay_v what_o you_o say_v then_o do_v you_o then_o know_v and_o now_o be_v ignorant_a but_o suppose_v you_o may_v make_v thus_o bold_a with_o your_o mother_n and_o yourself_o do_v you_o think_v to_o beg_v all_o the_o learned_a in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n for_o fool_n that_o understand_v not_o their_o own_o faith_n but_o you_o will_v be_v 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