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or_o to_o praise_v that_o which_o provoke_v his_o wrath_n again_o the_o prophett_n ezechiell_n show_v we_o how_o god_n do_v temporal_o reward_n nabuchodonozor_n and_o his_o army_n 20._o with_o the_o spoil_n of_o egypt_n for_o that_o they_o have_v serve_v he_o faithful_o in_o chastizinge_v of_o tyrus_n and_o s._n hierome_n upon_o that_o place_n have_v ezech._n these_o word_n by_o that_o nabuchodonosor_n receive_v this_o reward_n for_o his_o good_a work_n we_o learn_v that_o gentill_n also_o if_o they_o do_v any_o good_a thing_n shall_v not_o lose_v their_o reward_n at_o god_n hand_n and_o how_o can_v god_n be_v say_v to_o reward_v that_o which_o offend_v he_o the_o prophet_n daniel_n also_o to_o the_o same_o nabuchodonosor_n a_o infidel_n give_v this_o counsel_n peccata_fw-la tua_fw-la eleemosymis_fw-la 4._o redime_fw-la redeem_v thy_o sin_n with_o alm_n which_o he_o will_v never_o have_v do_v if_o it_o have_v be_v a_o sin_n &_o provoke_v god_n wrath_n to_o give_v alm_n or_o to_o 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primum_fw-la quaerere_fw-la cuinam_fw-la religioni_fw-la animas_fw-la nostras_fw-la 7._o etc._n etc._n suppose_v that_o we_o now_o first_o of_o all_o do_v seek_v unto_o what_o religion_n we_o shall_v commit_v our_o soul_n to_o be_v purge_v and_o rectify_v without_o all_o doubt_n we_o must_v begin_v with_o the_o catholic_a church_n for_o that_o she_o be_v the_o most_o eminent_a now_o in_o the_o world_n there_o be_v more_o christian_n in_o she_o at_o this_o day_n then_o in_o any_o other_o church_n of_o jew_n and_o gentill_n put_v together_o and_o albeit_o among_o these_o christian_n there_o may_v be_v sect_n and_o heresy_n and_o all_o of_o they_o will_v seem_v to_o be_v catholic_n and_o do_v call_v other_o beside_o themselves_o heretic_n yet_o all_o grant_n that_o if_o we_o consider_v the_o whole_a body_n of_o the_o world_n there_o be_v one_o church_n among_o the_o rest_n more_o eminent_a than_o all_o other_o &_o more_o plentiful_a in_o number_n &_o as_o they_o which_o know_v she_o do_v 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