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A18920 Errour on the right hand, through a preposterous zeale Acted by way of dialogue. Betweene 1 Mal-content and Flyer. 2 Flyer and Anabaptist. 3 Anabaptist, & Legatine-arrian. 4 Flyer and Legatine-arrian. 5 Flier, Legaine-arria[n] & Familist. 6 Flyer and Familist. 7 Flyer and Mediocritie. Whereto is also added, certaine positions touching Church and Antichrist: as without the true holding thereof, it is impossible for a zelous soule, to auoyde either schisme or faction. By Henoch Clapham. Clapham, Henoch. 1608 (1608) STC 5341; ESTC S118639 27,520 96

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not Flyer Uerily I doe And happy it was for the Shippe as a Marchants factour could lately say that I was in it for had not I longed earnestly after Zion and according to Gods decree were predestinated before all worldes to come safely vnto the true Church planted in these partes as the Factor could say all the Ship had been cast away Anabapt What true Church is it sir which you meane is planted in these partes Flyer Certaine Englishmen separated from the Whore of Babilon I meane the Church in England Anabapt Frō the Protestants Church meane you Flyer The very same My heart leapes to thinke how farre I am got from the skirtes of that proude bloody Fornicatrix Are you a Duch-man that you can parlie so in English Anabap. I am and sometimes was a member of the Dutch-church that is in Norwich But God opening mine eyes to see the falsehoode of that Church I forsooke it and came so into these partes to liue with a Congregation purely christian Flyer What with our people I pray you Anabapt There be certaine English people of vs that came out from the Brownistes Flyer From the Brownistes Whya they be the people that I come to But I pray you let me admonish you of one thing Leaue that tearme of Brownist for they despise Brownes standing I tell you Anabapt Yea they despise his present standing for that he is returned to the Church of England but meane time they haue slapt vp his Vomite and maintaine the blind Schisme he made from that Church Flyer Call you it a blind Schisme Blind they be not that see the Holy thinges they see Nor Schisme is it but a faythfull departure from Babel Anabapt Babel You know not what ●abel meanes for they be a people ouer head and eares in Babel so farre from being fled from it Flyer Prooue that and I le leaue my Religion Anabapt You leaue it You may say if God will giue you the Grace to leaue it For it is a peculiar Grace to leaue Sodome and Aegipt spiritually so called Flyer It is trueth you say But I pray you Of what Religion may you be Anabapt Of the true Christian Religion commonly tearmed Anabaptisme Trō our baptizing of people againe comming from the false Church whereof your Congregation is a maine arrogant member Flyer I tremble to thinke that you should dare so to blaspheme the Tabernacle pight of God and not of man Anabapt Pight of the Diuell and the Antichristian Man Let mee spurre you one question Are you Baptized Flyer That I am I thanke God Anabapt Who Baptized you Flyer A Minister of the English Church And I thanke God it was done with a Sermon and without the Crosse in the forehead Anabap. Are the Ministers of England true Ministers Flyer No they be slaues to Antichrist in all his inuentions Anabapt Marke what a foole you be neither call I you foole Vnaduisedly You seperate from Babel and yet iustifies the ministeriall action of the Ministers of Babel Can they be Antichristian Ministers and their essentiall ministeriall actions Christian Hath Christ appoynted any limme of the Beast to keepe his Signet and to seale his people with Baptisme Hath Christ giuen power vnto any to Baptize to whom he sayth not first Goe and teach Will the Ministers of Antichrist seale vnto the true Christ Flyer Though they and their places be Antichristian yet the Baptisme may be Christian. Anabap. Once againe if happily God may bring you out of that misterie of iniquitie Was the Minister him selfe first a true Christian before he entred into that function Flyer No for he was a lim of that Beastes body Anabap. Did his ministerie then make him a true Christian Flyer At no hand being a Minister in the body of the same Beast Anabap. He being neither a true Minister nor so much as a true Christian and your selfe also a member of the same Antichrist How could you by his Baptisme become a true Christian Out of a bitter Fountaine can there come any sweete Water As the first fruites are are not also the branches Flyer I was no true Christian then nor it any true Baptisme but now being separated from them as these of the Ten Tribes which came vnto Iuda My Baptisme is good as their Circumcision then became good Anabapt English-man the Comparison is not alike They of Israel were commaunded to circumcise but no Minister of Antichrist is commaunded to Baptize The Israelites were a people that had been a true constituted Church but as your selues say England was neuer constituted of or to the Lord. Thirdly any Israelite might circumcise his Childe but in your opinion a Preacher of the word may onely doe that Till therefore you can prooue that the English Minister did but the commaundement of God in Baptising as the Israelite did it in Circumcising you may goe with the Beastes marke in your forehead as old and young in your Church carry it But come wee to another poynt ●●e you hold that Christ which your ●●iptian Priestes did teach you Flyer Yes verily and by Gods helpe so I will Anabap. And yet you are come out of Babel Can they that teach people dayly the true Christ be Ministers of Antichrist Are they not true ministers that teach and seale to the true Christ Or if they 〈◊〉 false Ministers which you graunt must not their principall felsehood ●●en lie first in teaching a false Christ and secondly in sealing to the false Christ That is the Ministers can not be Antichristian but they must direct ●●d signe the people vnto Antichrist vnder a cullour of Christ and that onely can be the mysterie of iniquitie But another question By what ●eanes seeke ye to be one with your Christ Flyer● By Fayth onely which is wrought 〈◊〉 my heart by the outward ministerie 〈◊〉 the word and the inward operation 〈◊〉 Gods spirit Anabap. Silly silly Can you call these Ministers of Antichrist whom you defende for such as haue not onely a● you say taught you the true Christ but also lead you by the true meanes vnto that true Christ. Thus the blinde hath led the blinde and both tumble in the ditch Either make the Tre● good and his fruite good or make it bad and his fruite bad O friend I muse not though you stand amazed I my selfe was sometimes in such 〈◊〉 strait but he that gaue me simpliciti● of heart gaue mee to wind out of tha● Laborinth Iohn could not see the mysterie of that Beast in the Apocalips till he went out into the Desart God might for your lynsi-wolsie Fayth haue cast you away in the Sea but in mercie he hath reserued you vnto a better hower He did not cast me into your way for nothing I hope fo● a blessing though otherwise in your perishing I should become a good fauour vnto God Thou in the Heauens take the Scales away from his eyes that he may see into the end of thinges that are to be abolished