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A33222 Several captious queries concerning the English Reformation first proposed by Dean Manby (an Irish convert) in Latin, and afterwards by T.W. in English, briefly and fully answered by Dr. Clagett. Clagett, William, 1646-1688. 1688 (1688) Wing C4399; ESTC R27257 28,726 51

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brave_o good_a which_o be_v sometime_o necessary_a to_o give_v a_o check_n to_o impudence_n in_o that_o which_o be_v bad._n if_o he_o be_v a_o young_a man_n that_o take_v this_o upon_o himself_o he_o be_v the_o more_o to_o be_v commend_v and_o if_o he_o can_v fair_o carry_v the_o reformation_n beyond_o his_o own_o country_n this_o be_v still_o more_o commendable_a and_o if_o he_o can_v reform_v the_o whole_a world_n than_o i_o say_v for_o that_o which_o you_o call_v impudence_n generation_n to_o come_v aught_o to_o rise_v up_o to_o his_o name_n and_o call_v it_o bless_v you_o ought_v not_o i_o tell_v you_o to_o despise_v john_n calvin_n youth_n as_o one_o of_o your_o great_a one_o do_v luther_n meanness_n who_o hear_v the_o auspurg_n confession_n read_v say_v to_o his_o confident_a that_o these_o thing_n indeed_o be_v true_a but_o it_o be_v not_o to_o be_v endure_v that_o a_o pitiful_a monk_n shall_v reform_v the_o world._n but_o if_o nothing_o else_o will_v satisfy_v you_o but_o it_o must_v be_v impudence_n in_o a_o young_a man_n to_o think_v of_o reform_v the_o place_n where_o he_o live_v yet_o at_o least_o do_v not_o represent_v he_o as_o a_o most_o impudent_a creature_n for_o as_o i_o take_v it_o there_o be_v a_o long_a row_n of_o pope_n from_o formosus_fw-la downward_o who_o if_o your_o own_o historian_n be_v to_o be_v credit_v shall_v compare_v with_o john_n calvin_n in_o this_o point_n not_o of_o reform_v the_o world_n but_o the_o other_o and_o shall_v get_v the_o better_a of_o he_o by_o much_o and_o among_o these_o there_o be_v one_o john_n xi_o son_n to_o sergius_n iii_o one_o of_o his_o predecessor_n who_o be_v something_o less_o modest_a than_o john_n calvin_n in_o as_o much_o as_o be_v yet_o but_o a_o boy_n he_o take_v upon_o himself_o to_o be_v head_n of_o the_o catholic_n church_n which_o our_o john_n i_o dare_v say_v will_v never_o have_v accept_v any_o time_n of_o his_o life_n indeed_o the_o young_a pope_n be_v thus_o far_o to_o be_v excuse_v that_o he_o be_v put_v into_o the_o chair_n by_o merocia_n who_o though_o she_o be_v not_o sergius_n wife_n be_v yet_o john_n mother_n for_o donna_n olympia_n be_v not_o the_o first_o of_o her_o quality_n that_o sway_v all_o at_o rome_n sect._n 23_o quer._n whether_o from_o the_o womb_n of_o the_o reformation_n have_v not_o issue_v all_o those_o slaughter_v rapine_n tumult_n plunder_v of_o church_n schism_n and_o civil_a war_n which_o break_v out_o in_o the_o year_n 1641._o answ_n no_o true_o for_o since_o the_o reformation_n the_o church_n of_o england_n have_v lend_v neither_o principle_n nor_o example_n nor_o counsel_n nor_o arm_n nor_o man_n nor_o money_n to_o carry_v on_o rebellion_n or_o rapine_n the_o world_n see_v that_o she_o stick_v by_o her_o royal_a master_n to_o to_o the_o last_o and_o if_o you_o say_v that_o it_o be_v her_o interest_n to_o do_v so_o then_o i_o hope_v you_o will_v grant_v that_o she_o have_v at_o other_o time_n give_v proof_n of_o a_o high_a principle_n nor_o can_v you_o without_o rub_v your_o forehead_n question_v the_o strictness_n of_o her_o loyalty_n who_o begin_v some_o of_o you_o to_o laugh_v at_o she_o for_o it_o i_o hope_v you_o will_v not_o say_v that_o the_o irish_a rebellion_n which_o break_v the_o ice_n for_o all_o those_o slaughter_v rapine_n etc._n etc._n which_o you_o mention_v to_o come_v after_o it_o that_o that_o issue_v too_o from_o the_o womb_n of_o the_o reformation_n i_o think_v this_o query_n have_v better_a rest_n lest_o when_o the_o mother_n of_o that_o offspring_n be_v agree_v upon_o we_o shall_v be_v tempt_v to_o inquire_v who_o be_v the_o father_n of_o it_o sect._n 24_o quer._n whether_o africa_n produce_v more_o variety_n of_o monster_n than_o britain_n do_v fanatic_n where_o every_o man_n may_v read_v and_o interpret_v the_o scripture_n according_a to_o his_o own_o judgement_n of_o discretion_n answ_n i_o know_v pretty_a well_o what_o fanatic_n britain_n have_v produce_v but_o what_o variety_n of_o monster_n africa_n produce_v i_o can_v well_o say_v the_o sure_a way_n to_o be_v satisfy_v be_v to_o go_v thither_o yourself_o for_o author_n be_v not_o agree_v but_o if_o by_o fanatic_n you_o mean_v false_a pretender_n to_o inspiration_n you_o may_v take_v your_o comparison_n near_a home_n where_o it_o be_v as_o much_o as_o a_o man_n or_o woman_n life_n be_v worth_a to_o have_v the_o scripture_n to_o read_v in_o short_a britain_n have_v fanatic_n but_o the_o british_a church_n do_v what_o she_o can_v to_o reclaim_v they_o which_o she_o think_v aught_o nor_o to_o be_v try_v by_o set_v up_o a_o inquisition_n for_o some_o of_o they_o and_o can_v be_v do_v by_o make_v saint_n of_o other_o of_o of_o they_o you_o understand_v i_o suppose_v and_o therefore_o go_v on_o sect._n 25_o quer._n whether_o queen_n elizabeth_n bear_v of_o ann_n bolen_n queen_n catharine_n yet_o live_v can_v be_v think_v legitimate_a answ_n without_o all_o question_n she_o can_v be_v think_v legitimate_a for_o i_o find_v that_o 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