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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A94142	Tvvo letters: the one to subtile papist: the other to a zealous Presbyterian. In both which the authour conceives he hath said enough to keepe any man from the Roman Church, in the generall of religion, and from the Presbyterian congregation in the particular of the eucharist, or the Lords Supper: because St Paul saies, 1 Cor. 11. 16. Wee know no such custome, neither the Church of God. By T. Swadling, D.D.	Swadlin, Thomas, 1600-1670.	1653 (1653)	Wing S6230; Thomason E712_1; ESTC R207131	21,573	32

TVVO LETTERS The one to a subtile PAPIST The other to a Zealous PRESBYTERIAN In both which the Authour Conceives he hath said enough to keepe any man from the Roman Church in the Generall of Religion and from the Presbyterian Congregation in the particular of the Eucharist or the Lords Supper Because St Paul saies 1 Cor. 11.16 Wee know no such Custome neither the Church of God By T. SWADLING D.D. LONDON Printed for Charles Adams and are to be sold at his Shop at the Talbot neer St Dunstans Church in Fleetstreet 1653. To my Honoured friend Master Robert Peyton Sir YOu are a young Gentleman and fit for the Impression of such Religion as the Jesuite by his subtilty or the Presbyter by his Zeale can fasten upon you You will be set upon by both and both will endeavour to make you a Proselyte such Portion you are endued with being the prey they hunt after The following papers are therefore Dedicated to you that you may be preserved a Catholique and that they may spread under your favour as a testimony of some thankfulnesse from Sir 1. Julij Your friend and servant THO SWADLIN A Letter from a Catholick Divine to a Laick Papist To my loving friend Sir AT our last meeting April 28. 1653. you desired me to give you some reasons why I did not unite my self to the Church of Rome you promised me my reasons should be answered The conclusion of our discourse was If your Answer by your self or Friend convinced my Reasons I was to be converted by you and seek an admission into the Church of Rome If otherwise you were to be converted by me and become a Member of the Catholique Church and serve God the same way I do what I promised is performed in this paper what you promised I expect to be performed and that is My Conviction or your Conviction April 29. 1653. I Dare not convert to you ought not to continue in the Church of Rome 1. Because I have not yet received any Demonstration or winning and irrefragable Argument That the Church of Rome is the onely one Antient Visible Catholique Church of Christ out of which there is no Salvation 1. Out of the onely one Catholique Church I believe there is no Salvation But I do not believe the Church of Rome to be that onely one Catholique Church because the West is not all the World and yet the onely one Catholique Church is the Universal Congregation of Christian men and women all over the World There are Christians in the East as well as in the West Nor yet doth the Church of Rome take up all the West For there are other Christians and I hope better then those which are Members of the Church of Rome or Papists As a Papist I cannot be saved as a Catholique I may 2. Out of the Antient Catholique Church I believe there is no Salvation But I doe not believe the Church of Rome to be that Antient Catholique Church because the Antient Catholique Church both in Christ the true Head and in the Apostles the true Conclave and in Primitive Fathers as well Disjunctim as Conjunctim the true General Councils taught me To pray Our Father which art in Heaven Not as the Church of Rome doth and therefore not the Antient Catholique Church O blessed Virgin St. Peter St. Paul c. which art in Heaven To believe the Scriptures which if I do I shall be saved and not Traditions equally with the Scriptures as the Church of Rome doth and therfore not the Antient Catholique Church which if I do not I shall be damned To serve and worship God in Spirit and in truth not as the Church of Rome doth and therefore not the Antient Church In or by Images Relatively or otherwise which cannot father it self upon any farther Antiquity then the 2. Council of Nice 800 years since Anno 787. To receive the Sacrament in both kinds the Cup as well as the Pixe the Wine as well as the Bread the Blood as well as the Body not as the Church of Rome doth In one only If I do receive as the Antient Catholique Church doth teach me I shall be saved If I do not receive as the present Church of Rome commands me I shall not be damned 3. Out of the Antient visible Catholique Church I believe there is no Salvation but I do not believe the Church of Rome to be that Antient visible Catholique Church because the Antient visible Catholique Church appeared fair and without Corruption but the present Roman Church appeareth to me at least foul and cull of Corruption because the present Roman Church departed from the visible purity of the Antient Catholique Church to Innovations and the present visible Catholique Church hath reformed from those Innovations to the purity of the Antient Catholique Church 4. Out of the Antient Visible one Church I believe there is no Salvation but I do not believe the Church of Rome to be that Antient Catholique visible one Church neither in the Onenesse or unity of affection nor of opinion Not one in the unity of opinion because the Dominicans are against the Franciscans and the Franciscans against the Dominicans concerning the Imaculate conception of the blessed Virgin both Roman orders Because Bannes is as zealous as Calvin and Lessius as calm as Luther concerning absolute Reprobation both famous Schollers in the Roman Church Because Sixtus the fifth dammes all men that use any other Bible but of the vulgar translation and Clement the 8. curses all that uses any other but his own both Popes of Rome Not one in the unity of affection because the most malicious and foul mouth'd Sectaries do not raile more at the Catholique Churchmen and their order then do the Secular Priests at the Jesuits and the Jesuits at them Because the cruellest Presbyterians shew not more inhumane rage against Catholick Bishops then did Sergius or Boniface against his Predecessor Formosus damning all that he had done before and damning him after he had taken him out of his Grave and yet both these were Bishops of Rome Because I have not yet received any Demonstration or convincing and irrfragableargument That the Pope is the head of the Church The contrarie of this appears to me even from that speech of Christ which the Romans pretend is a Demonstration for it viz. Thou art Peter and upon this Rock will I build my Church and the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against it For if my blessed Master had spoken this either Personally to Saint Peter or Successively of Saint Peter it is more then probable That Saint Peter writing two Catbolique Epistles and in them mentioning his departure would at least have acquainted the Catholique Christians whom he writes to with this unum necessarium who should be his Successor and by whom all controversies should be determined But of this not a word something in these Epistles more probable against this if the Romans own exposition of one

receive the Sacrament as a Seal of forgivenesse for that very sinne and you deny it him you adde more guilt to your self the guilt of Partiality to your guilt of Scrupulosity For it is enough to warne any sinner any saving a notorious and obstinate sinner of the danger of unworthy receiving Opponent But did not our Saviour give the Sacrament to Judas whom he calls a devill and therefore why may not Ministers give the Sacrament to those they know to be willfull sinners Indeed Luke 22.21 brings in our Saviour first celebrating that Ordinance and then speaking these words Behold the hand of him that betraies me is with me on the table and therefore I am enclined to believe that Christ did give it him but thence can nothing be concluded against my Judgmēt Respond It may be nothing against your Judgement but something against your practise you may For Christ knew Judas to be a willfull sinner and yet rejected him not but admitted him you onely suspect some men to be willfull sinners for you cannot know any man to be a wilful sinner without his own acknowledgement and yet you admit them not bu reject them and therefore something may be hence concluded against your practise and it may be something against your Judgement too if your Judgement be as you say Oppon For 1. Our Saviour was God and as he had Power to forgive sinners upon Earth it might well be an Act of Divine Justice upon Judas for his Hypocrisie to seale him up in his sinne and make him fully ripe for Hell when it can be cleared that it is the duty and work of a Gospel-Minister to punish sinne then I think we may give the Sacrament to willfull sinners but it may safely be thought that Christ did it by a Power that is above any our Commission is invested withall Respond Yes our Saviour was God is God and will be God blessed for ever and as the Sonne of Man not God onely he had Power to forgive sinners upon Earth so farre we agree and I wish you if you are one of his Ministers to use that key of Power he hath trusted you with as well to open as to shut But in your next passage we are not so well agreed you say it might be and I say it might not be an act of Divine Justice to seal up Judas in his sinne Melius est dubitare de occultis quam litigare de incertis Take heed of comming too near this fire it may else burne your beard It becomes not a Gospel-Minister to say Christ did make any man fully ripe for Hell It is safer and better becomes a Gospel-Minister to say with the Gospel-Apostle Iesus Christ came into the World to save sinners the chiese of sinners 1 Tim. 1.15 and yet it is the duty of a Gospel-Minister to punish sin Else the Apostle would never have given so many charges to the Gospel Bishops to rebuke to correct and in some cases sharply too and yet neither that Apostle nor any other Apostle nor Jesus Christ himself hath given Power to any Bishop or Presbyter to give the Sacrament to a willfull sinner on purpose to make him ripe for Hell That is a Power indeed above any our Commission is invested withall Opponent But secondly I can answer thus Christ in that his transaction set a president to the Ministers of the Gospel how they might carry themselves in that Administration free from guilt Such as joyne themselves to the society of his people that do outwardly professe Christ and his truth do those duties of Religion materially that true Protestants doe and nothing scandalous can be laid to their charge though they be rotten Hypocrites Yet it not being any mans work to search hearts wee must think nothing but good of them admit them and though they be as unworthy Receivers as ever Judas was we are clear their blood lies upon their own heads So that instance of Judas his admission to the Sacrament in my apprehension makes not at all against me but for me If you can give an instance that our Saviour or his Desciples gave it to any that had their soars running upon them and easily to be observed by every Eye let us hear it and I shall confesse it is for your turne Respond Confesse then For this your own instance makes altogether against you though in your apprehension it makes onely for you Christ at this time supplyed the Ministers place He admitted the Communicants and amongst the rest he admitted Judas Judas a covetous wretch an arrant Traytor though in shew a zealous Saint and a provident Almoner His soar running upon him his very Hypocrisie as apparent to Christ as that mans impiety is that fights against Power to defend it Iudas that joyned himself to the society of Christs people Iudas that outwardly professed Christ and his truth Judas that did these duties of Religion that true Presbyterians do and yet intrinsecally was a Devill and all this well known to Christ Yes and to two of his Apostles at least if not to all the rest Saint Peter and Saint John Saint Peter that prompted Saint John to ask and Saint John that upon Saint Peters motion asked Christ who it was that should betray him even him by your own concession did Christ admit to his Table without any more ado then telling him the danger of his unworthy comming thither whence may certainly be inferr'd we shall not incurre any guilt for admitting the like Communicants though we but do tell them the danger of unworthy receiving And your next instance is as much for your purpose Opponent Why it may be you will tell me of the Church of Corinth their drunkenesse and sinne sate downe at Table with them but let it be supposed that Paul had come in when they were going to 't many of them in that condition I desire to know if you can believe he would have thought a reproose or telling them the danger sufficient for my part I verily think he would have had his arme pull'd out of his shoulder-blade rather then have given it to any such a one though truly in Jesus Christ and therefore much lesse would he have administred it to them whose sins daily testified them to be voide of Faith and the worke of grace in them Respond At your suppositions again and at impossible suppositions at least very unlikely very like a man overcome with drink I understand not those words otherwise going to many of them in that condition should go to receive the Sacrament I dare say you never saw any man offer it And then you think what do you think that such a one is truly in Iesus Christ pretty still Animally and in semine he may Actually and in sensu he is not and thence you conclude Therefore much lesse would he have administred it to them whose sinnes dayly testified them to be void of Faith and the work of grace in them Marke Sir if