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A18437 An answere to a seditious pamphlet lately cast abroade by a Iesuite with a discouerie of that blasphemous sect. By William Charke. Charke, William, d. 1617.; Francke, Christian, b. 1549. Colloquium Jesuiticum. English. 1580 (1580) STC 5005; ESTC S119230 29,644 72

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of their desire Also they think it some profit onely to barke against y e trueth But whē Rabshakeh came from Babylon and blasphemed at the gates of Ierusalem good Ezechias following the rule of Salomon commanded saying Answere ye him not And I pray you who of vs woulde in the things of this life yeelde to an euill minded man that he should enter an action for the things whereof we haue the right and quiet possession But here the pretensed Catholiques are wise in their generation For when did they graunt to a free disputation or to haue any sermons made by them of the religion but beeing enforced thereunto Yea at this very time howsoeuer this Champion and some others challenge and call for disputation yet their forerunners and fathers in Poperie refuse the same With what forehead then can these Iesuites demaund of vs that themselues will not graunt Or seeing it hath bene graunted at Auspurge and at Poissy and els where and they gained nothing by the graunt why should they call the Ministers to an vnorderly disputation from their ordinarie charge wherein beside other dueties of their ministerie they soundly confute by the plaine word of God as occasion is offred euen the chiefest arguments that the enemie can alledge As for the trial these Iesuits wil make it shalbe w t false weights and measures which are an abomination to the Lord while after their custome they dispute with vnlearned and peeuish distinctions false arguments absurd interpretatiōs plausible notwithstanding to them that haue a forestalled iudgement against the trueth But S. Paul warneth vs to auoide thē that trouble the Church with such disputations and contentions For it is euident that the purpose of these Iesuites is but to cast in matter of griefe to the godly when they see so bolde enterprises of the enemie not at the walles of the citie but euen in the market place and as by a blasing starre to prognosticate some further matter to the Papist and time seruer but most of all to disturbe the peace of the Church and to make the people stagger in religion as many of them as by diligent hearing of the worde haue not attained to the certeine loue of the trueth Neuerthelesse although I thinke it inconuenient in a settled estate to haue the trueth of God and her Maiesties most godly proceedings called into disputation by these men who are her alienated subiectes and in this maner against a singular peace yet vpon other circumstances as disputations haue bene heretofore graunted so they may agayne For not wee but the Papistes refuse lawfull disputation not we but they feele and confesse that they get nothing thereby The inconueniencie is that which I note in the seditious practise of this man and his confederates Otherwise the common wealth hath more cause then y e Church to dreade their forces Wee seeke not to esche we any snare they can laye we feare not their euidence or doubt of our owne title They haue had and may haue the libertie of their pen if these Iesuites haue any thing that their masters had not or which our fathers in the Gospell haue not answered let thē lay it downe in writing w t true forme of argument which is the most certeine tryall of greatest iudgemēt in writing by the grace of God they shalbe answered For howe litle we feare them howe much they feare vs it appeareth by that they suffer not a scroule of religion or tending neuer so litle that way in any mās hand but it is presently a matter for the inquisition Yea they withhold the very word it selfe Wheras we find y t the very view of their outward Rome with her abominations and the inward seeing into y t heart of popish religion with her absurdities haue made many as well grosse Papists as others indifferent betwene both religions to stand resolued in the trueth and to acquaint themselues with the cleare and comfortable doctrine of Iesus Christ after the execrable superstitions of the Pope once throughly knowen But nowe to come to his letters I finde to speake generally that they haue a preface to nine articles the preface and articles being to the same purpose For all is in effect thus much that he hath taken a farre dangerous iourney boldly plainely to offer himself a procter to mainteine against al commers in disputation at the commandement of the Pope the Popish religion to confute the doctrine of Christ Iesus This is the chalenge The promise is to persuade euen Prince people professing the trueth that they are in error as if both Prince and people had not sufficient assurance of their faith or the chiefest Papistes did not from day to day receiue great ouerthrowes both in disputatiō and writing For to the glory of God in the ministerie of the Gospell be it remembred and to the heart griefe of al Romish Catholiques the Lord addeth to the true Catholique Church of his elect great numbers continually to those that openly professe the religion many notable cities which lately were first in the zeale of Poperie and are nowe not the last of them that embrace the trueth notwithstanding so many artes and insolencies vsed to stoppe the course and increase of the Gospell Therefore if the Lord do not punish our contempt of the word we professe what hope may our Chalenger haue that the Pope shall recouer others when he can not keepe his own no not them that lately carried the canopie ouer his head In the preface y e Iesuite reporteth his pilgrimage out of Germany and Boeme into Englād his deare coūtry at the cōmādemēt of his superiours y t sent him where he giueth a note of his danger of his obedience But touching his obedience it commeth to be noted afterward As for his dāgers I see them not so great as he pretēdeth For I dout not but he was wel contented that this place fell to his lot that he wayted a time to aduenture himselfe when there was in his opinion lesse danger then heretofore more hope of some golden daye But the man is come into this noble realme for the glorie of God and the benefite of soules What glory of God cā come by a man sworne to Antichrist against Gods glory sworne to the Councill of Trent against the peace of this kingdom What care of soules can hee haue which would withdraw their foode in enraged therfore would enrage others with y e cup of poison wherwith the whore of Babylō hath heretofore poysoned the princes of y e earth What benefite of soules can poore soules looke for at his hand that in place of the most cleare light of the Gospel would bring in a greater plague of darkenes then that of Egypt This is the effect of the Iesuites loue which he would shew to his deare coūtry after so many yeeres absence out of her sight Being now arriued