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A09102 The iudgment of a Catholicke English-man, living in banishment for his religion VVritten to his priuate friend in England. Concerninge a late booke set forth, and entituled; Triplici nodo, triplex cuneus, or, An apologie for the oath of allegiance. Against two breves of Pope Paulus V. to the Catholickes of England; & a letter of Cardinall Bellarmine to M. George Blackwell, Arch-priest. VVherein, the said oath is shewed to be vnlawfull vnto a Catholicke conscience; for so much, as it conteyneth sundry clauses repugnant to his religion.; Judgment of a Catholicke English-man, living in banishment for his religion Parsons, Robert, 1546-1610. 1608 (1608) STC 19408; ESTC S104538 91,131 136

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of_o his_o author_n without_o his_o sense_n that_o he_o seek_v everywhere_a to_o debase_v kingly_a authority_n bellar._n and_o the_o like_a which_o generalitye_n as_o in_o truth_n and_o reason_n they_o may_v not_o be_v infer_v but_o upon_o proof_n and_o induction_n of_o many_o particularyty_n so_o when_o it_o come_v to_o trial_n you_o have_v see_v not_o so_o much_o as_o any_o one_o particular_a sufficient_o prove_v now_o shall_v you_o hear_v some_o more_o example_n of_o calumnious_a deal_n with_o he_o lxxv_o pag._n 92._o the_o apologer_n speak_v of_o s._n gregory_n the_o great_a and_o go_v about_o to_o interpret_v those_o word_n of_o he_o allege_v by_o the_o cardinal_n where_o he_o call_v 42._o the_o sea_n apostolic_a caput_fw-la fidei_fw-la the_o head_n of_o faith_n in_o regard_n of_o the_o direction_n in_o matter_n of_o faith_n that_o be_v to_o be_v take_v from_o thence_o as_o from_o the_o head_n the_o apologer_n will_v have_v it_o understand_v that_o for_o so_o much_o as_o in_o 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work_n cite_v by_o our_o apologer_n in_o the_o margin_n i_o find_v a_o strange_a abuse_n to_o wit_n no_o such_o thing_n at_o all_o speak_v of_o the_o father_n but_o only_o of_o one_o nicolaus_n de_fw-fr lyra_n make_v a_o christian_a of_o a_o jew_n not_o much_o above_o two_o hundred_o year_n past_a who_o seem_v by_o some_o word_n of_o he_o to_o hold_v a_o certain_a extravagant_a opinion_n that_o s._n peter_n &_o s._n paul_n be_v not_o put_v to_o death_n at_o rome_n but_o at_o jerusalem_n matth._n against_o the_o general_a consent_n of_o all_o antiquity_n cardinal_n bellarmyne_n expound_v first_o what_o his_o true_a meaning_n be_v to_o wit_n nothing_o in_o deed_n differ_v from_o the_o father_n exposition_n and_o namely_o of_o s._n hierome_n and_o then_o add_v quanquam_fw-la minùs_fw-la cautè_fw-la locutus_fw-la est_fw-la &c_n &c_n albeit_o lyranus_fw-la in_o his_o manner_n of_o speech_n be_v not_o so_o wary_a as_o he_o may_v have_v be_v in_o give_v