pressed as they know not â—hat to say or whither to turne I appeale to the whole â—â—ditory whether this was not the summe of his reply â—â—d whether he did not heereupon abruptly end cease â— proceed any further with much disgust of the standers â— and small satisfaction to his owne fellow Ministers â—ho came to assist him Howbeit seeing both VVhitaker â— Reynolds distinguish in the same manner as Barbon hath â—â—one and often affirme that the Church may slide in to â—â—rours of probation not of damnation curable not inâ—â—rable I will a little further lay open the falsity of that â—istinction And first I would haue theÌ„ tell me what these â—urable errours be Grosse and fundamentall such as canâ—ot stand with the principles of faith or sleight and indifferent such as do not preiudice the integrity thereof â—â— such We need not for the attayning of saluation be cured of them we may without losse of Gods fauour heere or heereafter perseuere vnto death incurably in them In which case your new Ghospell was needles your outcryes slanderous your breach detestable in making so execrable a schisme diuision from vs for slender matters not necessary to saluation Grosse then and fundamental they be of which we shal be certainely healed before we dye therefore M. Whitaker affirmeth the Church may for a tyme erre in some foundations yet be safe or souÌ„d A crabbed saying for fayth must be entiere or els it is no fayth therefore if the beliefe of the Church be fayling in any one foundation it is no way sound but wholy erres in fayth as M. VVhitaker not many lines before directly auoucheth If any fundamentall point of doctrine be remoued the Church presently falleth A true speach howbeit most contrary and repugnant to the former And yet it is impossible for the Church euer to be ruined impossibly to perish or depart from God at any tyme or moment as hath beene disputed in the former Chapter Therfore impossible â—â— her to be ensnared in any substantiall or fundamental eâ—rour 5. Besides if curable errours be fundamentall whâ— be incurable What greater then fundamentall Or hâ—â— can any be counted incurable when there is none â— damnable which may not be cured by the salue of gracâ— When we dayly see that Arianisme Iudaisme Turcisâ—â— Apostacy Infidelity c. often cured with help from â—boue No errour there is which may not be cured by grace Are they incurable out of which the Church caâ— neuer be recouered But of this neuer Heretique as yâ—â— made question The Donatists who contended that thâ— whole Church crred and perished before their dayes saiâ— it reuiued againe and tooke life in them and so do all heretiks or sectaryes whosoeuer challenge a recouery of the decayed Church But what do I striue against meere fancyes All the arguments I haue heere proposed manifestly conclud that the true Church of Christ is neuer obnoxious to any errour at all little or great curable or incurable necessary or not necessary to saluation For she teacheth Why the Church can fall into no errour curable or incurable all truth the spirit and wordes of God are alwayes in her mouth She is a pure virgin and cannot be stayned with any spot of vnchast doctrine she is alwayes directed by the holy Ghost we are commanded by God alwayes to giue care vnto her But as we can be led into no offense smal nor grieuous materiall nor formal culpable nor inculpable into nothing dissonant or repugnant vnto truth by imbracing the direction or following ProtestaÌ„ts are eÌ„trapped in their own affertions holding the true Church may erre and yet themselus certain of truth the commandment of truth it self so we can tumble into no errour little or great curable or incurrable by following the direction or safe conduct of the Church And truely I wonder at this witch craft of Sathan how he should perswade our miserable sectaryes that they alone haue the purity of the Ghospell the certainty of the spirit the true reformed Church and yet to teach them withall that the true Church may erre For how can they be sure themselues do not erre in their fayth and in appeaching vs of so many superstitioÌ„s if their Church may erre How can their followers be sure they are taught â— truth if their teachers themselues confesse they may â— O drunken heresy O malicious blindnes art thou â—ereft of the light of reason and drowned in the pit of â—lful darknes as to produce no better witnesses for the â— of ours and rising of thy Church then such as may â—e such as may lye and beguile the people S. Augustine Aug. in psal 63. v. 7. â— braydeth the Iewes for labouring to disproue our Saâ—ours resurrection with sleeping watchmen And shall â—t I reuile our Lutheran or Caluinian strumpet for inâ—ing vs of sundry falshoodes by the verdict of errable â—inisters deceauable Reformers Who graunt they may â— blinded with curable errours Of such errours we acâ—se them in all points wherein they disagree from vs â—e proue them guilty by the word of God doome of anâ—â—quity and vniuersall Senate of all the faithfull who â—â—nnot erre Let them by the like Iury acquit themselues â—â—fense their doctrine with the like authority or els in â—â—ine do they bragge of verity or exclaime against our â—â—perstitious abuses Will they runne to the authority of Scripture But either they are infallibly assisted by the holy Ghost neuer to mistake or interprete it amisse and then their Church can neuer erre neither curably nor incurably which they deny or they may sometyme swarue from the sense and meaning of the holy Ghost they may fall into the curable errours of which we attach them and so are condemned by their owne mouthes for insufficient witnesses or accusers of vs. To go one Iren. l. 3. c. 4. 40. l. 1. c. 3. Hier. l. 3. adue Ruf. c. 8. in fine Cypr. epist 55. ad Cornel. Aug. de vnit Eccl. c. 28. 6. As the scripturs before mentioned so the ancient Fathers aboundantly testify the inerrable rule of the true Churches beliefe S. Irenaeus sayth The Apostles haue layd vp in the church as in a rich treasure all truth that he that will may from thence draw the water of life Likewise She keepeth with most sincere diligence the Apostles fayth and preaching In her sayth Saint Hierome is the rule or square of truth The Church sayth S. Cyprian neuer departeth from that which she once hath knowne S. Augustine Behould how after the same sort he addeth of the body which is the Church that he may not permit vs to erre neither in the bridegroome nor in the bride In another place he affirmeth Aug. tom 2. ep 166. fol. 290. that our heauenly Maister forewarneth vs to auoyd schismes In so much as he maketh the people secure of euill gouernourâ— least for them the chayer of holesome doctrine should be forsaken â— which euen
saying It is all one to despise the minister of Christes catholique Church and to despise Christ So S. Augustine expoundeth the former of S. Matthew Fulk vpon this place sect 2. Aug. in psal 101. conc 2. Hiero. l. 4. in Matth. S. Ierome he who promiseth that he wil be with his disciples vntill the consumation of the world both sheweth that they shall alwayes liue as also that he will neuer depart from the faithfull Which the very words both heere elswhere importe all dayes vntill the consumation of the world vntill we all meet c. for euer And the ends also of graunting this authority require the same which were the propagation of the truth the edification of the body of Christ the confirmation of the faithfull the conseruation of the vnity of faith these are at all times and perpetually needfull Therefore the perpetuall asistance of the holy Ghost is alwayes necessary thereunto 2. Likewise the Prophet Osee in the person of God sayd vnto the Church I will despouse thee to me for euer c. Osee 2. v. 19. 20. will despouse thee to me in faith Therefore this pure imaculate spouse is euerlastingly wedded to Christ in synceritâ— of fayth she can neuer be stayned with adulterous errour neuer separated by schisme or heresy neuer be diuorced by any apostacy from her honourable bridegroome The same was also foretold by the Prophet Isay Isa 59. v. 21. My spirit that is in thee and my wordes that I haue put in thy mouth shall not depart out of thy mouth and out of the mouth of thy seed and out of the mouth of thy seedes seed saith our Lord from this present and for euer Now what spirit was there in the Prophet Isay but the spirit of God What wordes in his mouth but the wordes of truth Therefore the spirit of God and wordes of truth shall not depart he doth not say from the hartes only but not from the mouthes of the Churches generation from that present for euer can any thing be written more effectually So effectual it seemeth to diuers sectaries as the publique Glosers vpon the English Protestant translation confesse the truth thereof Cal. in c. 59. Isaiae in hunc vers in their marginall notes vpon that place And Caluin in his commentaries explaning the same text God promiseth quoth he that his Church shall neuer be spoyled of this inestimablâ— good but that it shal be gouerned by the holy ghost and vnderpropped with heauenly doctrine c. and soone after Such is the promise that our Lord will so assist his Church and will haue that protection and care of it as he will neuer permit it to be depriued of his doctrine For if it once could be depriued of truth fall into any errour this oracle were frustrated If it could fall into errour the gates of hell which our Sauiour denieth Matt. 16. v. 18. 2. Tim. 3. v. 15. 1. Ioan. 17. v. 17. 2. Cor. 11. v. 2. Matt. 18. v. 17. should preuaile against it if it could erre it were not as S. Paul witnesseth the piller and firmament of truth If it could erre in vaine did Christ pray to sanctify it in verity If it could erre it were not that vnspotted virgin of which the Apostle writeth I haue espoused you to one man to exhibite you a chast virgin vnto Christ Lastly if it could erre the Son of God could not command euery one to submit himselfe to the doctrine of his Church with that heauy commination If he will not heare the Church let him be to thee as the Heathen and Publican that is let him be like the excommunicated or vnbeleeuing miscreant who is cast of from Christ and vtterly abandoned to euerlasting misery But God could not threaten vs vnder this curse of damnation to heare and obey his Church if his Church could beguile vs with errour For theÌ„ God should be the cause of that errour then we might be beguiled by following his Commandment which is impossible Therefore the Church cannot teach or deliuer any errour vnto vs as a Priest imprisoned at Dauentry vrged M. Barbon the Minister at an appointed disputation held of that matter before many of the towne other Gentelmen of thâ— A conference held at Dauentry in Northampthonshire betweene a Priest ther impisoned and M. Barbon a Minister Country which Argument the Minister first laboureâ— to elude by answering that the Church indeed could noâ— erre as long as it heard followed the voyce of God but if it swarued from his word it might precipitate iâ— self into errour whereunto it was then replyed by thâ— Priest My argument said he prooueth it cannot possiblâ— swarue from the word of God For to swarue from thâ— word of God is to erre I proue it cannot erre Thereforâ— I proue it cannot swarue from the word of God Againe to affirme that the Church erreth not as long as it agreeth with the word of God is to graunt her no priuâ—â—edge aboue any hereticall or heathenish conuenticle For no Heretike Infidell Iewe or Turke no nor the diuell himselfe can erre as long as he speaketh conformable to Gods word 3. The Minister deuised another sleight and distinguished A fond distinctioÌ„ which ProtestaÌ„ts make of curable incurableerrors two kind of errours one curable another incurable one to probation another to damnation and so answered that the Church might fall herself and lead her children into curable errours out of which they may afterward escape not into incurable or damnable from which they shall neuer be deliuered But the Priest resuming his former probation insisted againe that it could leade her children into no errour at all because VVhosoeuer heareth the Church followeth the commaundement of God But no errour curable or incurable can we incurre by following the commaundement of God Therefore no errour curable or incurable can we incurre by hearing the Church The Minor only questionable was proued thus No offense to God can we incurre by following Gods commaundement But euery errour curable or incurable is an * Material or formal offense of God Therfore no errour curable or incurable can we incurre by following Gods commaundement 4. Here M. Barbon sweating and chafing yet not knowing what to deny peruersly denyed the arguâ—â—â—â— M. 〈◊〉 breaketh off the dispute cauilling at the sillogisticall forme yet could not discouer any fault neither in matter nor form The former idle distinctioÌ„ of Protestants further refelled VVhitak contro 2. q. 5. c. 17. fol. 490. Ecclesia adtempus etiam in fundameÌ„tis quibusdam errare potest tuÌ„ salua esse Whitaker contradicteth himselfe in manifest termes Si fundamentale aliquoddogma tollatur Ecclesia statim corruit â—elfe and carped at the Sillogisme as if it had foure â—â—mes the last and only collusion which he his sectâ—â—es are wont to vse to bleare the eyes of the vnlearned â—â—en otherwise they are so
of their owne heads their accusations forgeryes their separation horrible schisme and open rebellion against the kingdome of Christ It followeth also that the Roman Church vniuersally spread ouer the face of the earth which once was must needs continue the true Catholike Church free from Apostacy free from heresy free from superstition or any other false doctrine of which she is accused CHAP. VI. Wherein is demonstrated that the Church is the supreme Iudge of Contrâ—uersyes against D. Whitaker D. Fulke and all Protestants THAT the holy Scriptures can neither by themselues nor by any rules our Sectaryes assigne determine the strifes which fall out in matters of Religion In the first part and first Controuersy hath in the first part of this treatise bin proued at large now that the Church is the only infallible and suprem Iudge which decideth those debates our Sauiour himself fully testifyeth when he referreth all matters controuerted to her sole and high tribunall saying Dic Ecclesiae Tell the Matth. 18. v. 17. Church if he will not heare the Church Where he teacheth after that priuate correction and publique admonition wil not serue the guilty party is to be summoned before the Prelates * So Saint Chrysostom heer taketh the Church for her Prelates or chiefe Pastours of the Church without further examination despute or appeale to stand to their sentence or els to be cast off as an Heathen or Publican VVhitaker seeketh to auoyd this place two wâ—â—es first by VVhitak cont 2. q. 4. c. ap 2. 3. â—xpounding it of Ecclesiasticall censures not of doctrine Secondly that the Church is to be heard but in those thinges only in which she heareth and obeyeth Christ Very friuolous and idle for in such thinges euen the Iewish Synagogue the Turkish Alcaron and the Diuell himselfe is to be heard as hath beene vrged before this were not to end Controuersyes without further appeale but to enter a new court of strifes to commence new examinations to call the Church in question whether she heareth and obeyeth Christ in the thinges she commandeth or no. 2. Besides if we ought to obey the Church in her Ecclesiasticall censures of excommunication suspension or the like much more in her condemnation of heresies If the Church caÌ„not erre in censuring much lesse in defining or publique definitions what we ought to beleeue If in sentences of fact much more in explications of fayth determinations of doctrine if God hath appointed her our supreme iudge in chastising and correcting vs with her spirituall punishments much more without doubt in curing our soules and preseruing them from all spots of errours And therefore our Sauiour restreyned not this precept of obeying his Church to any particuler matter but enlarged it to all and straight way giueth her that vniuersall commission Amen I say vnto you whatsoeuer you shall Matt. 18. v. 18. Ibid. v. 19. bind vpon earth shall be bound also in heauen and whatsoeuer you shal loose vpon earth shall be loosed also in heauen And Concerning euerything whatsoeuer they shall aske it shall be done to them Away then with M. Whitakers restrictions away with mens abridgementes where the Sonne of God imparteth so ample illimited and vniuersall a priuiledge In like maÌ„ner he did not vse any limitation but absolutely sayd Luc. 10. v. 16. Matth. 23. v. 3. VVhitak contro 2. q. 4. c. 2. fol. 267. 268. He that heareth you heareth me and all thinges whatsoeuer they shal say to you obserue ye and do ye Which two places Whitaker againe after his ridiculous fashion with this caution vnderstandeth He that heareth you teaching true prescribing iust thinges and whatsoeuer they shall teach according to the law dee yee As though the Sonne of God dallyed with vs sayd the same thing which was nothing but heare the truth wheresoeuer the truth is spoken yet S. Augustine by these later words attributeth a great prerogatiue to the chayer of Moyses In which verily sayth he he figured his owne for he Aug. con litt Petil. l. 2. c. 61. warneth the people to do that which they say and not to do that which they do and that the holynes of the chayer be in no wise forsaken noâ— the vnity of the flocke diuided for the naughty persons Howbeit if our Sectaryes cautioÌ„ may take place he figured the chayer of pestilence as much as his owne we might follow their doings which Christ forbiddeth as well as their sayings to wit whatsoeuer they doe conformable to the Law Moreouer S. Paul after a long dispute and many alleadged reasons referreth the last resolution of the matter debated 1. Cor. 11. v. 16. to the practise of the Church If any man seeme to be contentious we haue no such custome nor the Church of God 3. In the old testament God also appointed that in case inferiour Officers dissented in their opinions we should haue recourse to the consistory of Priests as to the chiefe and infallible Tribunall If you see that the wordes of Deut. 17. v. 8. â— the Iudges within thy gates do vary arise and go vp to the place which our Lord thy God shall choose and thou shalt come to the Priests of the Leuiticall flocke c. and thou shalt do whatsoeuer they that are Presidents of the place which our Lord shall choose shall say and teach thee according to the Law Which later words do not inuolue At one tyme ther was but one chief President called the high priest diuers successiâ—ely as Protestants wrangle any condition if they shall teach but an absolute warrant that they shall teach according to his Law els then their iudgment and determination were fruitles and the matter remayned as doubtfull as before for exceptions might be taken that sentence is not giuen according to the law of which some other must be coÌ„stituted Iudge whose decision is infallible or els the same doubt ariseth of him and so without end Then our aduersaryes answere againe that this place is vnderstood of ciuill and politique affayres not of doubtes of religion But if Gods wisedome so carefully prouided for the composing of ciuill matters much more for ecclesiastical where the doubtes are more intricate and contentions more dangerous Therefore God sayd of his Priests by Ezech. 44. v. 24. Ezechiel VVhen there shall be a controuersy they shall stand in my iudgments and shall iudge my lawes and my Preceâ—tes By Malachy Mala. 2. v. 7. The Protestants false translation of such places as make against theÌ„ The lippes of the Priest shall keep knowledge and the law they shall require of his mouth because he is the Angell of the Lord of hostes A Text so forcible as Protestants not enduring the pregnancy thereof for shall keep knowledge corruptly read should keep contrary to all Originalls In Hebrew it is â—ismeru In Greeke 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 In Latin custodient shall keep fortelling not what they
which peruerted as they falsly auouch the very foundations themselues of Christian religioÌ„ They answere that the stiffe professours and maynteyners of Popery were not the true Church but a daungerous and wicked saction tyrannyzing ouer mens consciences A disease a contagion outwardly cleaning to the Church or breeding as a gangrene within and corrupting the pure doctrine but by a little and little vnder which faction notwithstanding and even in the midest thereof the true Church continued In which manner say they the Church was in the papacy but the papacy was not the Church 2. This is their last most deceiptful mask by which they thinke to duske mens eyes and amaze their wittes with disguised wordes when they cannot satisfy their Aug. l. de bapt cont Donat. ca. 6. 7. consciences with any substantiall answere for although the contagion of the papacy by little and little corrupted the pure doctrine yet it came to be deadly and damnable according to them in diuers points for many yeares ago Whereupon I dispute although not altogeather with the same wordes yet with the same force of reason as Saint Augustine doth agaynst the Donatistes When that contagion or the Roman errours came to be deadly eyther they contaminated the Church or did not contaminate it Choose which of these you will say they contaminated An vnauoydable dilemma coÌ„cluding agaynst Protestants it that is defiled it with such hereticall and blasphemous doctrine as could not stand with the being thereof the Church hath perished as Saint Augustine inferreth Christs promise hath fayled there was no meanes left for you to be propagated or new borne in Christ no meanes of catechizing or instructing you Say they defiled not the Church neyther could they haue defiled you by remayning in it why then did you separate your selues from August in same place it Why erected you an Altar agaynst the Altar of the world Why with the sacriledge of most haynous schisme presumed you to diuide the vnity of the Church How cometh it to passe that whilest by shunning the small faultes Aug. ibid. which your selues do faygne you runne into the sacriledge of schisme more grieuous then all other faultes For is not this sacrilegious and schismaticall diuision to preach new doctrine to minister Field in his third book of the Church ca. 6. 7. fol. 72. 73. 74. 75. new Sacraments and not to participate with your mother Church in fayth and communion 3. Both Mayster Field and White make answere that the errours of the Roman Church defiled not the whole but some part of Christs mystical body as a canker which corrupteth not the whole but some part of mans flesh after which manner they call it a faction a disease VVhite in his way to the true Chu §. 45. § 50. In his defence of the same chap. 44. pag. 420. The Protestants caÌ„not say they communicated with the Papacy which infected the papacy but not the Church and so pretend that they haue separated themselues from the coÌ„tagious faction not from the true Church But they still walke in mystes out of which we must leade them with this second dilemma Eyther the true Church whose Society our Protestants challenge did so continue with the papacy as it participated with it in sacrifice and Sacraments in publike faith and open communion Or did not participate but made a Church by it selfe mynistring Sacraments and preaching the word apart from the Papists If it participated with that preuayling faction they were contaminated with their heresies defiled with their errours and so the papacy was not only a contagion outwardly cleaning to the Church or infecting it in part but inwardly canckering and corrupting the whole all â—ere made partakers of her disease who openly admitted and professed her doctrine 4. Agayne if the Protestant Church communicated with the Papacy and submitted her selfe to the tyranny of her faction at least for feare and in outward shew howsoeuer they belieued aright in their inward harts they were all eyther hypocrites or base dissemblers all open idolaters and deniers of Christ they were all depriued Luc. 9. v. 26. Rom. 10. vers 10. of the meanes of saluation For he that shal be ashamed of me and of my wordes him the Son of man shal be ashamed of when he shall come in his maiesty And with the hart we belieue to iustice with the mouth confession is made to saluation Which as I haue already confirmed by the testimony of Caluin so now I Field l. 1. c. 10 fo 1â— strengthen with the authority of M. Field Seeing sayth he the Church is the multitude of them that shal be saued and no man can be saued vnlesse he make confession vnto saluation for Faith hid in the hart and concealed doth not suffice It cannot be but they that are of the true Church must by the profession of the truth make themselues knowne in such sort that by their profession practise they may be discerned from other men So he 5. Moreouer if the true Church of the elect did communicat with the Papacy in preaching of the word and administration of Sacraments from Saint Gregory the great till Luthers dayes for almost a thousand yeares space eyther the Papacy it selfe was the true Church or Christ had all that while no true Church no spouse vpon earth because the true Church cannot possible be without the true preaching of the word and administration of Sacraments which are euen in our aduersaryes opinion the essentiall markes and properties of the Church and where they cease the Church according to them must perish Whitak in his answere to the third reason of M. Campian and decay VVe ascribe quoth Whitaker those properties to the Church which comprise the true nature of the Church whose presence make a Church and their absence marre or destroy a Church Wherefore sith no other truth was preached in the Papacy then the Roman Catholike fayth eyther that was true or no other true fayth was openly professed vpon earth On the other side if our aduersaryes do answere They caÌ„not answere they communicated not with the papacy that they communicated not in fayth and Sacraments with the Papacy but made a separate Church by themselues distinct from it in which the true word was preached and Sacraments mynistred Then that pure Protestant Church needed not the reformation of ProtestaÌ„ts from that Luther should haue learned his faith to that he and followers should haue ioyned themselues Then if they challenge such a Church they are engaged to name the persons who maynteyned their doctrine the people who imbraced it the tymes and places in which it was ProtestaÌ„ts vrged to shew their temples councels and countryes conuerted by them taught they must shew vs what Temples they built what Councells they gathered what bookes they wrote what heretikes they condemned what Countryes they haue conuerted and instructed in the fayth For it is
impossible their Church should continue so many ages distinct from the Roman Papacy and no monument be left no steppes remayne no notice taken of it at least by the preuayling faction as they terme it of the Romane Church which diligently recorded the names and heresies of euery particuler person who at any tyme stood vp or defended any doctrine contrary to hers Yf the Romane faction tyrannyzed ouer them blotted out their names defaced their Sparke in his answere to M. Iohn d' Albins pag. 53. 54. workes razed their Churches burned their Records as Sparke fayneth some Chronicler or other some frend or enemy some Protestant or Catholike would haue registred those ransackinges or mentioned the vtter abolishments our Gouernours made of them Otherwise what warrant haue Protestants to belieue what euidence to shew they had such professours To belieue without ground in ciull matters is vnaduised lightnes in matters diuine rashnes inexcusable I proceed 6. Two other seeming answeres some of our late Reformers are wont to coyne First That seeing the Papacy Other euasions of our sectaryes reiected preserued the kernell of religion belieued the Trinity the Incarnation and passion of Christ c. their Protestant Church might be saued in it although it separated not it selfe in communion from her But this caÌ„not be For the Pelagians the Donatistes the Circumceâ—â—â—â— held these and many other grounds of true religion yet no maÌ„ could be saued participating with them nor with the Quartadecimani nor with any heretical Congregation although it disseÌ„ted from the true Church but in one heresy alone Therefore although the papacy imbraced the Fulke in c. 1â— A poc sect 2. forenamed principles of fayth yet beccuse it was defiled according to you not with one but sundry heresies which vndermined the castle of heauenly beliefe the maynteyners of Protestancy coulde not be members of the true Church abiding in the false they could not be vnited to God in the house of Belial partake with Christ in the seate of Antichrist as hath beene other where more largely discussed 7. Their second euasion is that ignorance might IgnoraÌ„ce cannot excuse our sectaries auncestors in coÌ„municating with vs if we danably erred free their confederates from the danger of damnation in coÌ„municating with our Church vntill the truth of their Ghospell was reuealed and our errours discouered vnto them But I answere that the plea of ignorance of matters necessary necessitate medij as the only meanes to atteyne saluation in iustification other articles of like tenour on which the summe of religion in Protestants opinion dependeth cannot be admitted in the Court of conscience before the tribunall of heauen For of such ignorance sentence is pronounced by the Apostle Yf any man know not he shall not be knowne And VVhosoeuer haue sinned without the law without the law shall perish Agayne albeit 1. Cor. 14. v. 38. Rom. 2. v. 12. the Church of God may for a tyme be inuincibly ignorant of some truth not necessary to saluation yet neuer of any necessary truth Wherefore if imputatiue iustice if only fayth without merite of workes and many such like protestant articles be necessary to be belieued the ignorance of them must needs cause al their auncestours to forfeit Field in his first booke c. 10. p. 19. eternall blisse especially sith Field therein subscribeth to the Apostle That no man can be saued vnlesse he make confession to saluation c. and by profession of truth make himselfe knowne 8. Besides as the Church cannot be ignorant of a necessary article much lesse can it generally professe any daÌ„nable errour any pernicious falshood as all latent Protestants openly did liuing in the Papacy and publikely professing as they account it our erroneous doctrine This the promise of Christ the assistaÌ„ce of the holy Ghost the protection of God would neuer permit his Church to doe 9. This were to frustrate the comming of Christ the price of the bloud his preaching of his Ghospell For why did he take such paynes to preach the truth if ignorance might excuse vs Why did he suffer death to abolish Matth. 28. Ephes 4. Ioan. 14. 16. all errours if his people haue beene so long ouer whelmed with them How doth he raygne for euer in the Kingdome of his Church if that for these many ages hath been subiect to Sathan Did not he promise that when he should be exalted he would draw all thinges vnto him Did not he promise to cooperat with his Pastours baptizing teaching to the consummation of the world that neither they might erre nor we be carried away with the Tertullia de Praes c. 28. vayne blastes of errour Was not the holy Ghost sent to teach all truth and that for euer Did not God forewarne vs that the preachers of the new Testament should neuer be silent from praysing his name enioying his spirit and deliuering his wordes from generation to generation euerlastingly without interruption Vpon these assurances Tertullian deemed it so great a blasphemy that the whole Church of God should be spotted with errours as he thus Tertul. ib. cap. â—9 prouoketh ValeÌ„tinus the heretik Age nunc c. Go to now haâ—e all Churches erred c. hath the holy Ghost had regarde to no one to leade it vnto truth sent for that end by Christ demaunded for that end of the Father that he might be the Doctour of truth Forsooth the Steward of God the vicar of Christ hath neglected his office permitting the Churches otherwise to vnderstand otherwise to belieue tâ—en he by his Apostle preached A little after he scoffeth at him and others in this sort The truth expected some Marcionistes and Valentinians Lutherans and Caluinistes to be infranchised by them In the meane tyme the Gospell hath beene wrongfully preached wrongfully belieued so many thousand of thousands wrongfully Christned so many workes of faith wrongfully administred so many miracles so many gifts wrongfully imployed so many priesthoods so many offices wrongfully executed in fine so many Martyrdomes wrongfully crowned Yf Tertullian thought â—t a caluÌ„niation so infamous to affirme this of the Church for a little more then a hundred yeares space how monstrous is the report of our Reformers who venture to attach it of superstition ignorance idolatry during the long tract of a thousand yeares 10. Lastly although ignoraÌ„ce may now then excuse the not belieuing of some particuler mysteryes yet the ignorant who otherwise incurre the displeasure of God can neuer gayne his fauour or recouer felicity vnlesse they be pardoned their sinnes and become members of the true Church Out of the Church no pleading for pardon no excuse can be heard to put a sinner in hope of saluation Otherwise the Iewes the Turkes the Pagans al such as haue been misled by heretikes might pleade this excuse But the hiddeÌ„ ProtestaÌ„ts who lurked in the Papacy were not members of the Church They made not the true Church where
reasoneth well against the ProtestaÌ„ts Bishops titulary and antichristian Prelats Doctour Whitgift notwithstanding Mayster Hooker and Francis Mason strengthen confirme it as proceeding from God And the Royall Wisdome of King Iames deliuereth That Bishops ought to be in the Church I euer maynteyned it as an Apostolicall institution so the ordinance of God Which is so mighty a dissention as the one party must needs gainesay the other in a point fundameÌ„tal For eyther this ecclesiastical gouermeÌ„t vsed in England by Archbishops Bishops other inferiour ministers is de iure diuino ordained by God or not If it be Then as the Puritan authour of the twelue generall arguments reasoneth well The Churches of Scotland France low Countries and other places the precisians of England who account it Antichristian cannot be a true Church but the signagogue of Satan contradicting therein both Christ and his gospell If not Then according to the rule of Protestants who appeach all publike and ecclesiasticall administratioÌ„ as sacrilegious policy which is not warranted by the word of God the Puritans will conuince them of tyrannicall vsurpation who establish â—n their Church an ecclesiasticall hierarchy which God â—euer willed nor commaunded them to do These and many other such tragicall diuisions in matters essentiall â—aygne amongst them which the Protestant Relatour sayth tend mainely to the increase of Atheisme within of Mahomeâ—isme Relatour in his relat §. 45. printed at London anno 1605. D. Couell in his iust temper defence art 11. pag. 67. In their ChristiaÌ„ modest off c. p. 1â— published anno Domini 1606. Ibid. p. 16. VVillet in his medit vpon the 122. psal p. 91. ante medium abroad And Doctour Couell a Protestant more modest then Whitaker more sincere then Field plainly protesteth Least any man should thinke our contentions with puritaÌ„s â—â—ere in smaller points difference not great each side hath charged one the other with heresies if not infidelityes nay euen with such as quite ouerthrow the principall foundation of our Christian fayth 6. The Puritans iumpe with him affirming their disagreement from the Protestant Bishops to be of that nature in sundry propositions as if they shold not coÌ„staÌ„tly hold and maynteyne the same against all men they cannot see how possibly by the rules of diuinity the separation of their Churches from the Church of Rome from the Pope the supreme head thereof can be iustified c. A little after they add VVherein if they the Puritans be in errour the Prelats on the contrary haue the truth they protest to all the world that the Pope the Church of Rome in them God and Christ Iesus himselfe haue great wronge indignity offered vnto them in that they are reiected that all the Protestant Churches are schismaticall in forsaking vnity and communion with them Thus they Mayster Willets testimony rehearsing diuers of the forenamed variances adiudging theÌ„ blasphemous were too long to repeate the alleadged wil declare First what small trust is to be reposed in Whitaker Field White c. in other matters who in a thing so manifest are conuicted of falshood Secondly what hatfull quarrells cruell debats this new religion hath bread in England in so much as the poore ignorant people know not whome to follow or what to belieue when their greatest maisters and chiefest guides are at this deadly warre amongst themselues 7. Wherefore as Saint Augustine mourned the vnhappynes Aug. l. 18. de ciuitate Dei ca. 41. of the Athenians and vanity of their City who harboured and gaue countenance to sundry iarring Philosophers directly opposite and fiercely disagreeing one from the other Not sayth he about landes houses or money matters but about those things by which the life of maÌ„ is eyther miserably or happily leade In like sort I may coÌ„miserat and bewayle the dangerous estate of my countrymen and wofull calamity of our distressed Iland which now fostereth in her lappe and nourisheth in her bosome so many factious ministers diuided as you see farre worse then the Athenian Sophisters not in Ciuile brawles or politike diuisions not in morall precepts of life and manners but in the deepest affayres of conscience of fayth of religion which they cannot discusse without danger nor vp hold without infamy nor teach without infection nor long maynteyne without the viperous distraction of themselues and endlesse ruine of innumerable soules Yet So sâ— to seale vp my discourse with the same authours words it is necessary that rent diuided into small peeces they perish who Aug. con Parmen l. â— cap. 4. haue preferred the swelling pride of their haughty slomake before the most holy band of Catholike peace vnity CHAP. XVI Wherin is declared how SaÌ„ctity or Holines is a note of the true Church Agaynst Doctour Whitaker and Doctour Field MANYFOLD and various is the signification of this word Sanctum holy and so it diuersly entitleth and denominateth the Church of God First she is called holy because she is purchased and sanctified by the precious bloud of our innocent and vnspotted Lambe Christ Iesus which Saint Peter 1. Pet. 2. v. 9. insinuated when he stiled the faythfull A holy Nation a people of purchase Secondly it is holy because it is wholy dedicated and consecrated vnto God whereupon he sayd to his people You shal be holy because I am holy Thirdly it is Leuitic 11. 1. Pet. 1. holy for that it consisteth of holy lawes holy precepts holy ceremonyes holy Sacraments all thinges holy Fourthly it is holy by reason of her purity and holynes both in doctrine and manners and this all Catholique writers acknowledge as a proper badge and token of Christs chosen flocke yet not in that sort as purity of doctrine or syncere and true preaching of the word is challenged by the Protestants and refuted by vs a note more hidden then the thing it denoteth but in a farre different sense For Protestants take the vniuersall purity of A differet acception of sanctity of doctrin vsed amongst Catholiks and Protestants doctrine and true preaching of the word as it is opposite to all errours in euery dogmaticall and essentiall point to be a Marke of the true Church We a particuler purity or sanctity or sanctity only not as it excludeth all fundamentall errours contrary to truth but as it excludeth all grosse or palpable absurdityes repugnant to the principles of nature or rules of coÌ„mon reason known to all men this we assigne as an vndoubted recognizance of the immaculate and euer beloued spouse of Christ Wherein Mayster Whitaker hath inexcusably iniuried Cardinal Bellarmine in traducing him for challenging VVhitak contr â— q. 5. ca. 9. fol. 415. 416. Field in his 3. booke ca. 44. f. â—76 this not to haue forsaken his staÌ„ding to haue cowardly fled to their protestaÌ„t campe And Field more main part sawcie then he sayth A lier should haue a good memory c.
tract Theologica much lesse to be graced from heauen or published to the world as a myrrour to imitate nay their chiefest Patriarches first authours Luther Caluin Beza c. haue byn blasted with ignominy partly for incestuous partly for sodomiticall partly for adulterous all for their riotous voluptuous and scandalous liues and of their progeny Luther in cap. 5. ad Galat. Caluin testifyeth VVhereas so many thousands greedily as it seemed gaue their names to the Gospell how few I beseech you haue retired from their vices Yea what other hath the greatest part pretended then that casting of the yoake of superstition they might more freely run into Luther in postill sup Euang. doÌ„ primae Aduentus Reynolds de Eccles Rom. idol l. 1. cap. 2. Eras Ep. ad Vult dissolution wantones Luther accordeth with him affirming of his brattes That they are seauen tymes morse vndeâ— the name of ChristiaÌ„liberty then they were vnder the Pope Liâ—kwise Men are now more reuengefull couetous licentious then they were euer before in the Papacy Therfore Erasmus whome Mayster Reynoldes commendeth as a man well deseruing of the Church of God wisely sayd of the Lutheran doctrine Bring me oâ—â— whome this Gospell hath of a glutton made sober of fierce milde of couetous liberall of an ill speaker well spoken of an vnchast shamefast I can shew them many who are made worse then they were The like was as prudeÌ„tly obserued by the Earle of Salisbury Lord A wise obseruation of the Lord Cecill late Earle of Salisbury Treasurer lately deceased who was wont as I haue been very credibly informed often to admire and say VVhat iâ— the cause that if any Catholike or Papist be conuerted to vs. he becomeâ—â— alwayes more deboyst and dissolute then before and yet if any of our Ministers repayre to them they are so changed in behauiour as we caâ— take no exception agaynst their liues The reason hereof I hauâ— assigned before and shall confirme by and by with the testimony of Sir Eduin Sandes howbeit the aduersary obiecteth That much deboystnes and misdemeanure â—s noted also amongst vs whereunto I intreate him to receaue this answere from Saint Augustine Now I admonâ—â—h Aug. l. â— de moribus Eccl. cap. 34. you of this point that you surcease to speake euill of the Catholique Church blaming the manners of men whome the also condemneth and whome she as euill laboureth dayly to amend The conuersation of Christ and his diuine preaching was most efficacious and heauenly yet it could not preuayle to mollify the hart of a tray tours Iudas So although our lawes and precepts be in euery respect most holy yet they cannot hinder and extirpate all kind of iniquity 10. Neuerthelesse there is a fourefold difference betweene the wicked of our side and those of the Reformers Note a fowerfold disparity betweene the naughty Catholikes and euill Protestants For the naughtines of our men wholy springeth eyther from their owne euill dispositions or infirmity of nature and no way from the prauity and largenesse of our doctrine as it partly doth in the profession of sectaryes 2. Compare number to number and quality of persons in like degree togeather ours are incomparably fewer and lesse enormous then theirs as the yearely recordes of Assises Sessions confronted with those of ancient tymes do report 3. Our disordered persons are Sir Edwin Sands in his relat sect 48. more narrowly sought out and bound to satisfy more exactly then their malefactours 4. We haue farre better helpes to reclayme them and stayes to keep them in the way of godlines then protestants haue Witnes Sir Edwin 2. Pet. 8. vers 19. Matt. 7. v. 13. vers Sands saying Let the Protestants looke with the eye of charity vpon them of the Papacy as well as of seuerity and they shall find some excellent orders of gouernement some singuler helps for the increase of godlines and deuotion for the conquering of sinne for the profiting in vertue Contrarywise in themselues looking with a more single 14. 2. Pet. 2. vers 10. Rom. 13. v. 1. 1. Pe. 2. v. 11 2. Pet. 2. v. 12. 13. Iude v. 4. 1. Pet. 2. v. 3. vers 18. Rom. 6. v. 11. and lesse indulgent eye they shall find there is no such absolute perfection in their doctrine reformation So he This is the cause of the loosenes of their and strictenes of our professours Wherfore if we should examine by this marke of holines who are the liuely members of Christ we or you it is euideÌ„t that you are the false Prophets promising liberty and we the true preachers exhorting to piety You the guides of Sathan shewing the broad way which leadeth to perdition and we the watchmen of the holy Ghost demonstrating the narrow gate which openeth the life You the lying Maysters which walke after the flesh in concupiscence of vncleanes and contemne dominion And we the humble subiects who obedient to higher powers striue to refraine from carnall desires which warre agaynst the soule You the vnreasonable men c. coninquinations and spots flowing in delicacies and transferring the grace of our God into riotousnes and we the reasonable hostes victimes and sacrifices offered vnto God mortified certes in the flesh but quickned in spirit dead to sinne but a liue to God in Christ Iesus our Lord. CHAP. XVII In which Sanctity or Holines is another way explayned to be a badge of the true Church THIS word Sanctum holy besides the former significations as it is deriued froÌ„ the verbe Sancio sancis betokeneth that What Sanctum deriued from the verbe Sancio doth import which is firmely ratifyed consecrated and established That which is stable vnchangeable sacred and inuiolable So lawes are tearmed holy Temples holy Kinges Ambassadours Priestes and Bishops holy sacred persons they ought to be fenced agaynst all force and violence Thus true religion is holy and inuiolable not to be altered or changed not be vanquished or subdued by any assaultes whatsoeuer but to preuayle vanquish and ouercome all such as fight agaynst it and grow alwayes more mighty by their encounters For as the Esquire of King Darius affirmed Truth abideth and groweth stronge for euer and liueth and preuayleth for euer and euer Edras 3. c. 4. vers 38. So the true Church her beliefe stil flourisheth and waxeth great and as Iustinian in the ciuil law discourseth Nothing iâ— lesse subiect to decay then true Religion But of false and Iusti l. Int. claras l. de suÌ„ma TriÌ„ Sap. 4. v. 3. 4. Matth. 15. vers 13. new deuised sects the holy Ghost deliuereth by the mouth of Salomon Bastard plantes shall not take deepe roote nor lay sure foundation and if in the boughes for a tyme they shall springe beinge weakely set they shal be moued of the winde and by the vehemency of the blastes they shal be extirpated And our Sauiour Christ All planting that my heauenly
Nestorians Donatistes and diuers other sectaryes and haue they not beene euer since cassiered hated as arrant heretikes Are any of their Monumentes now extant Is there any memory left of them but only amongst the Catholike writers who confuted them For where I pray are the Psalmes of Valentinus and his Sophia The fundamentall Epistle What is become of all the eloquent works of former heretiks of the Manichees The Antithesis of Marcion Where is Arius Thalia Apollinaris great volume of 30. bookes Where are the Rules of Taconius the letters of Petilian the eloquent writings of other heretikes Are they not all trodden vnder feete and consumed by the Roman church So in short tyme the Protestants Harmony of consessions Caluins Institutions Bezas theologicall treaties Willets synopsis Spalatens Stan. Resc in Euang. sect Cent. Commonwealth and all such moderne writings with their professours wil be cleane worn out by that euer flourishing and abiding Sea For thus about a hundred eyghty and one furious raging and principall sects besides innumerable braunches springing from them before Luther and his Protestant broode was hatched haue beene vtterly vanquished and destroyed by her And what hope may these Gospellers haue to stand in battayle where so mighty aduersaryes are fallen to the ground Yf it be a treachery to God a disloyalty to his spouse to resist the Roman sea how tremble not they who storme agaynst it Yf all those whome she hath hitherto censured haue euer after beene adiudged for heretikes in what case are The RomaÌ„ Church neuer as yet condeÌ„ned any for heretikes but alwayes after they were held for such Protestants whome her highest and grauest Senate hath publikely condemned in the Councell of Nice 10. Yf others who had Emperours to support them Councells to fauour them Bishops Patriarches and a great part of the world to ayde them are notwithstanding quite abolished by the power of that Church haue not Protestants reason to feare the like destruction abolishment of their sect which by her owne often chaunges diuisions mutuall disagreements and endles brawles hasteâ—â—eth apace to ruine and decay whilest our Roman Religion perpetually vpholden by Gods protection standeth inuiolable and euer flourishing in the eye of the world from the Sea Apostolike by succession of Bishops heretikes vaine barking about it hath gotten sayth S. Augustine the height of authority hath assembled so many Councells condemned so many heresies wonne so many victories so often Aug. li. de vtilit cred vanquished the gates of hell Wherefore to conclude this marke Euen as when the Esquire of King Darius body had ended his discourse all the people cryed out Great is truth it preuayleth so all indifferent and iudicious readers will I doubt not giue sentence witâ— me and say Great is Esdras 3. c. 4. the Roman Church Great is the Sea of Peter Great is that rocke and highest throne it subdueth all her rebellious aduersaryes CHAP. XVIII In which the Name of Catholike is proued to a marke of the Church Agaynst D. Whitaker D. Fulke and D. Field NOvv I come to the great character of our glory and renowned title of our profession the name Catholique a name famous in the Primitiue Church famous in the Apostles dayes and inserted by them amonge the Articles of our Creed famous after in all succeeding ages and vsed comonly by the Fathers not so much to make a difference which some thinke betwixt the Iewish Sinagogue and the Christian Church as to CasauboÌ„ in his answ to the Ep. of Cardin. Peron fol. 6. in Eng. seuere and distinguish the false named Christians themselues from the true and vnfayned beleeuers Which Pacianus that eloquent Bishop of Barcelona giueth vs to vnderstand in these wordes VVhen after the Apostles heresies sprung vp and with diuers names endeuoured to rend the doue of God and teare his Queene in peeces did not the Apostolicall people engraue a surname Pacianus Epist 1. ad Simpro which might distinguish the vnity of the flocke incorrupted least the errour of some diuided into parts should rend and disseuer the vndefiled Virgin of God c. I entring sayth he a populous Citty where I find the Marcionists Apollinaristes Cataphrigians Nouatians who entitle themselues Christians how shall I know the congregation of my people vnles it were called Catholike And then he addeth Christian Ibidem stian is my name Catholike my surname that entitleth me this sheweth who I am Likewise S. Cyrill of Ierusalem If thou go into any Citty aske not where the Church is where the house of God is for Cyril cate 8. the very heretikes challenge them but aske where the Catholike Church is that is the proper name of our holy Church of vs all And Saint Augustines estimation hereof was such as he auoucheth The very name of Catholike keepeth we in the bosome of the Church The testimony of these three Fathers Whitaker obiecteth agaynst himselfe and to the former two he answereth Cyrill and Pacian in the name alone put no force Hath this man any conscience or regard what he sayth Peruse their Aug. con Ep. Fund cap. 4. wordes and passe your censure To S. Augustine he replyeth more bathfully but as friuolously altogeather Augustine sayth he attributeth something to the name but not so much as the Papistes And why not Because Bellarmine placeth that name VVhitak contro 2. q. 5 cap 2. in the first rancke Augustine in the last And is not the last place good Sir as respectfull and more honourable often then the first Is it not a precept also in Rhetorike to propose the most forcible arguments in the last place Therefore VVhitak Ibid. Saint Augustine recounting the motiues which held him in the bosome of the Church doth he make lesse account of the name Catholike because he placeth it last what childish stuffe is this You a diuine M. Whitaber and once Barl in his Answere pag. 269. Iren. l. 1. c. 10. Ierom. contra Lucifer ca. 7. Lactan. li. 7. diuin c. 30. Atha serm 2. coÌ„ Aria Field in his 2. booke of the Church ca. 9. publike Reader in Cambridge You he whose name though dead as M. Barlow braggeth is a terrour to Bellarmine yet dispute so idly 2. To proceed As the name Catholike hath been alwayes a peculiar note of the true beleeuers so to be stiled after the names of men as Lutherans of Luther Caluinistes of Caluin hath beene euer as Saint Irenaeus Saint Ierome Lactantius and Saint Athanasius teach a marke of heresy a token of schisme which M. Field likewise confesseth saying The name of a Cathelike was a note and distinctiue marke or character to knowe and discerne a Catholike from an heretike or schismatike by and the naming after the name of any man a note of particularity and hereticall or schismaticall faction The same he proueth a little after by the authority of S. Ierome Wherefore least he and his sectmates
to the presumption Seneca ep 118. or opinion of all men and it is with vs a great argument of truth that it hath beene liked of all Pliny likewise in his panegyticall oration to Traian hath recorded this notable sentence Better are all belieued then each particular all Plinius in pa. ad Traianump 125. Melius oÌ„nibus quaÌ„ singulis creditur singuli oÌ„nes decipere decipi possuÌ„t nemo omnes â—eminem oÌ„nes fefellerunt Aug. lib. l. 22. de ciui Dei cap. 8. magnum est ipse prodigium qui mundo credente non credit Great rashnes in Protestants to belieue one man agaynst al men Luther Pres l. de abrog missa priuata And the like he hath tom 4 annot breuis Item tom 5. in Gala. particular men may deceaue and be deceaued No man hath deceaued all men all men haue not deceaued any man Whereupon S. Augustine despiseth him as a strange and monstruous wonder who the world belieuing belieueth not Strange people then not to speake more hardly of them strange people are the Protestants of our age who will not belieue the articles of our fayth which all the Christian world excepting their little handfull constantly beleeueth and for this thousand yeares by their owne confession haue vnuariably perseuered in the same beliefe 8. Yf all men neuer beguiled any and yet if each particular maÌ„ may beguile be beguiled how can Protestants belieue aright who credited one Luther for there was not any other of his Religion when he first beganne agaynst all the world One man that might deceaue them agaynst al men that could not deceaue them With this opposition of al men Luther at the first was so much troubled as he testifyeth of himselfe How often did my treÌ„bling hart pant within me and reprehending me obiect against me that most stronge argument Art thou only wise Doe so many worldes erre VVere so many agesignorant VVhat if you thou errest Fulke in c. 5 Math. sect 3. 2. ad Thessa 2. sect 4. 5. VVhitak contro 2. q. 2. ca. 2. 3. cap. 3. q. 5. cap. 3. Field in his 2. book c. 8. and drawest so many into errour to be damned with thee euerlastingly So Luther with the same singularity of themselues generall contradictioÌ„ of others his followers were much daunted at the beginning But since hauing somewhat increased their number they eyther answere that truth doth not consist in multitude and largenes of extent or that they haue many others besides themselues of their fayth and religion dispersed throughout the world who although they be hidden from the eyes of men are notwithstanding well known to God or to the Fathers who often inculcat the large dominion of Christs flock they reply that the Church did perspicuously flourish Aug l. de vtil cred con Ep. Fund l. 1. contra lul l. 3. con Crescon c. 66. l. item 4. cap. 53. euery where was visibly spread thoughout all nations in Saint Augustines Saint Ierome and Optatus dayes but afterward it fayled at least froÌ„ being manifest publikely known These are the common shiftes of M. Fulke M. Whitaker and M. Field our moderne Protestants and these were the trickes of auncient heretikes including the former arguments 9. To the first therefore I answere that not euery multitude but an holy learned famous Matth. 8. longe continued and vnited multitude of all nations in supernaturall pointes of fayth this is an euident Apoca. 7. token of the true Church as Saint Augustine vrgeth Aug. loco citato l. 2. cont aduers leg Prophet c. vltimo agaynst the Donatistes Manichees and other heretikes VVho pretended that truth was often among a few and that it was the fault of many to erre This was the obiection of Cresconius the Grammarian agaynst whome he proueth by the many who shall come from the east and west and repose with Abraham in the Kingdome of heauen By that great and innumerable multitude which Saint Iohn describeth of all nations tribes people and tongues standing before the throne that multitude is no hinderance to truth and yet he often affirmeth That to vaunt and glory in paucity of followers is the the property of heretikes and a signe of falshood 10. Their second euasion that they haue many hidden ghospellers in all Countryes knowne to God is Augustine libro de ouibus cap. 10. ridiculous and absurd as Saint Augustine tearmeth it to humansense For how shall we belieue they haue any such vnlesse they be seene and mentioned by some men Or how should their Vniuersality be a marke of the true Church if they be not knowen nor marked by any Then Saint Augustine declareth that the vniuersall Church of which the Scriptures speake is apparantly seene and knowne to the world Reade his explication vpon that verse of the Psaâ—mist Be exalted aboue the heauens O God and thy glory vpon all the earth O hereticall madnes sayth Psal 56. Aug. tom 8. in ps 56. he that which thou seest not thou belieuest with me that which thou seest thou denâ—est thou belieuest with me Christ exalted aboue all the heauens which we do not see and thou deniest his glory vpon all the earth which we do see Marke these wordes which we do see Therefore the splendour of the Church is visible and Aug. libro vnitate Ec. cap. 8. conspicuous euery where In another place From whence quoth he is his glory vpon all the earth but because his Church is ouer all the earth Immediatly after he presseth his aduersaryes VVVhy do you preach Christ exalted aboue the heauens and doe not communicate with his glory vpon all the earth Whereupon it followeth that if our Ghospellers had any such latent Protestants in other Countryes as they fayne who agreed with them in their beliefe yet that were not inough to make their Church vniuersall vnlesse they had some other communication or society togeather because for want of this alone Saint Augustine excludeth Petilian al other Donatistes froÌ„ being members of the Church First of him he sayth I obiect vnto thee the cryme of schisme Aug. libro 2. contra Fetil c. 16. which thou wilt deny but I will instantly proue it For thou doest not communicate with all nations Then he cassiereth the rest and bindeth Catholikes in the vnity of the Church saying VVe holde the inheritance of Christ they holde it not For they do not communicate with the whole worlde they do not communicate with the vniuersality redeemed by the bloud of our Lord we are secure of his inheritance 11. Their last retrayte vsed by Mayster Field and often iterated by M. Whitker That the Church in Field in his 2. booke of the Church chapter 8. VVhitak contro 2. q. 2 cap 2. Ibidem q. 3. cap. 1. q. 5. cap 4 5 Saint Augustines and the rest of those Fathers dayes was in her growth Now in her declining Then flourishing in all partes