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A64773	The devil the greatest sinner in the world, or, A reply to Thomas Powel, who calls himself a minister of the Gospel, yet affirms, Jesus Christ was the greatest sinner in the world by John Vaughton ...	Vaughton, John, 1644-1712.	1676 (1676)	Wing V158; ESTC R1102	20,220	28

of Isaac to save him from being executed by them for after they perceived his Money they consulted and agreed to save his Life but it may be supposed if this Story of his be true that he had taken so much of the Vintner's sweet Wine that he was not in his Right Senses for he also said They put him into a Coach and set him down at the Stocks Market London and that he knows not the Persons Tavern nor Street where this thing was done To his Reader I take notice of these Passages where he saith viz. The Father accounted Christ a Sinner and that the Father punished his Son or inflicted Punishment upon his Son Sin set the Father against Christ that Christ's Sufferings are penal God the Father punishing his Son and that Christ suffered justly For these Sayings I desire thee or any of thy Divines to give me plain Scripture for seeing you call it your Rule and give us no more your Corrupt Meanings upon it neither your Feigned Humble Conceiving nor Vain Imagination but let it be plain Scripture it self Here follows some of T. P's brief seasonable soul-affectionate and good Advice as he calls it unto the Principal Leaders of the Quakers c. O profligate flagitious Wretches that must imbrue your Hands in the Blood of Souls that you cannot go to Hell alone but you must have Company with you O ye Promulgaters of Errors Leaders of a great many to Hell c. This with much more Stuff that is fly-blown with Sin as he saith his Holy Duties are who also sayes Our Books have Croaking Toads and Creaking Vipers that swarms therein c. Which Expressions of his savour more of Railing Rabshekah's spirit then of the Meek Spirit of Jesus Thomas Powell thou in thy Postscript having desired us to clear our selves from those notorious Lyes and Forgeries that thou hast charged us with I have done it and do return them upon thee and thy Witness with the rest of thy Confederates to whom they do belong And T. P. as to the Promise that Thomas Hicks hath made thee it will be unsafe for thee to give Credit to it or to conside in it for that which he hath promised thee is a Work too ponderous for him to wit to prove the Quakers No Christians and their Religion a Cheat for Gog and all his great Army cannot do it Moreover Thomas Hicks of all men should cease boasting of what Help he will minister to thee or others seeing he hath undertaken more Work of his own already then himself or any other that he has brought for his Assistance could perform the Task he hath already undertaken lieth still at kis Door JOHN VAUGHTON Postscript CHrist Jesus was the Father's free Gift as it is said God so loved the World that he gave his only begotten Son a Light into the World that whosoever bolieveth in him should not perish but have Everlasting Life so that Christ Jesus was not bound or forced for saith he I lay down my Life freely so that it was his free Love and will the Professors now after all their seeming pretended Love to him brand him with being guilty of their Sins Well we do say he is not guilty of any man's Sin but hath all power in Heaven and Earth-committed unto him and can pardon Sin without being guilty of it and is the Lamb of God that taketh away the Sins of the World and the Father hath committed this Power unto him and he doth not charge his Son with the guilt of the World's Sins therefore T. P. and the rest of the Divines of thy Way repent of your Evil and of all your hard Speeches which you have uttered against the Spotless Lamb of God and those that follow him in the Regeneration and content not your selves in saying your Sins are imputed Christ's and his Righteousness imputed yours whilest you are in the Act of Sin and Rebelling against his Spirit for this Covering or vain talking will be too short in the Day of the Lord that hastens to be revealed against all Unrighteousness of Men who hold the Truth in Unrighteousness or make a Profession of Christ the Truth and live still in the Unrighteousness and in the Sin and in Rebellion against God's Light and Spirit which makes Sin manifest and reproves for it in the very Heart where Sin hath been and is committed and this Light many of you have been calling with many opprobrious Names and Terms for which you must repent or else you cannot lay down your Heads in Peace that is the Word of Truth unto you all whether you will hear or forbear John Vaught●on Thomas Firth's Testimony to the Truth of so much of the Discourse that past between Thomas Powell and John Vaughton as was printed in J. V's Book Entituled A Vindication of Christ Jesus c. WHereas Thomas Powel relates That the Discourse in the aforesaid Book was Feigned or Fictious save a Passage or two I who was an Eye and Ear-Witness do affirm it to be True as it is there related and I have Unity with the publishing of it Thomas Firth THE END

them a right Knowledge of God and Christ and led them to speak right things of God and of Christ which Spirit thou and thy Brethren being Strangers to speak wrong things of God and of Christ and of the Scriptures also for which in Love to God Christ Scriptures and your immortal Souls we do justly blame you Christ saith I am the Light of the World he that followeth me shall not walk in Darkness or Ignorance but he shallhave the Light of Life Joh. 8.12 he also saith Believe in the Light that ye may be the Children of the Light Joh. 12.36 We would have you to take Christ's Counsel believe in the Light and that will give you the Knoledge of God Christ and the Scriptures will lead you to speak right things of God and Christ and to live a God-like and a Christ like Life and then you and we shall not differ T. P. I have yet mere to say unto thee in Way of just Rebuke for thy unscriptural and ungodlike Words which thou hast given forth in thy Epistle to the afore-said Book which take as followeth thou having affirmed that Jesus Christ was the greatest Sinner in the World by Imputation c. thou say'st all that I shall urge in the defence of this great Truth is this either Christ died justly or unjustly I mean God the Father in punishing his Son acted therein either justly or unjustly unjustly who dares to assert justly who dares to deny c T. P. in these Words laid down by thee thou chargest God with punishing his Son but how wilt thou prove it If thou continues of this mind I would have thee offer us some proof for what thou say'st if thou canst which is either Scriptural or Reasonable By God's punishing his Son I can understand no other by thy Words here inserted or any elsewhere in thy Book then his being spit upon crowned with Thorns call●d Beelzebub the Prince of Devils betrayed murdered and hanged on a Tree If thou say'st this was the Punishment wherewith God punished him then I ask thee who were the Instruments God made use of in inflicting these punishments upon him Christ said He that dippeth his Hand with me in the Dish the same shall betray me and after Judas had taken the Sop Satan entred into him and he went to the malicious High-Priests and betrayed his Master and they sent a Band with Swords and Staves to take him and as Steven said those bloody High-Priests Judas and the rest of their Company were the Betrayers and Murderers of him and they laid their wi●ked Hands upon him and crucified the Lord of Life Acts 7.25 Him being delivered by the Determinate Counsel Fore-Knowledge of God ye have taken and by wicked Hand have crucified and slain Acts 2.25 Now if thou charge these before-mentioned Cruelties exercised or inflicted upon him as God's punishing his Son will not this prove thee a Ranter in Principle at least for dost thou not hereby justifie the Devil and all his bloody Train to be God's Servants and Doers of God's Wiill herein for I have heard that some of the rude Ranters have said that the Devil is God's good Servant what dost thou say less for if all these Cruelties be esteemed PRINCIPALLY God's Act it 's easie to prove from Scripture that the Devil and wicked Men did inflict those Cruelties upon him Christ told that bloody Generation They were of their Father the Devil and the Lusts or Works of their Father they would do he was a Lyar and a M●derer from the Beginning here thou may'st see that Christ told this bloody Crew That the Lusts or Works of their Father they would do which Lusts or Works was Lying and Murder Christ did not tell them that their lying and murdering of him were the Works of God or his punishing of his Son but that they were of their Father the Devil Thou say'st in the same Page Christ may thank Sin for all his Sufferings c. If so then he might thank the Devil who is the Author of it but he i● not worthy of Thanks this is some of thy dark divining There is another Thing I am not willing to omit that is in the same page thou sayest That Sin set the Father against Christ It may be thou may●st call this a Thesis but it is a dark one it may be thou mayest say It 's D●v●●try and ●●e Quakers are a Silly Ignorant People and do not understand it but come Tho. Powel thou sayest Scripturs is thy Ru●●● shew us plain Scripture for it if thou can'st for t●● Quakers love Scripture very well and God hath given them the Knowledge of them and Comfort of them by the Holy Spirit by which the holy Men were moved to give them forth Glory to his holy Name for the same and for all his Blessings and Mercies Now Christ saith The Father hath not loft me alone for I do alwayes those things that please him John 28.29 and the Father saith of the Son This is my Beloved Son in whom I am well pleased hear ye him 2 Pet. 1.17 T. P. I desire thou mayest believe the Father and the Son's Testimony before-mentioned and Repent of thy dark and unscriptural Affirmation T. P. There is one more dark unscriptural Saying of thine which I must rebuke thee for thou sayest in the same page of thy Epistle the words are viz. Christ was accounted a Sinner by Wicked Men but that is not all he was accounted also a Sinner by his Father Answ In this Position or Affirmation thou holdest forth that God and Wicked Men are of one Mind which never was or can be Wicked Men say He cast out Devils by Beelzebub and said Say we not well thou art a Samaritan and hast a Devil And Wicked Men told the Blind Man whose Eyes Christ opened Christ was a Sinner and thou sayest God accounted him also a Sinner or else sayest thou he would not have dealt so severely with him as he did T. P. This is written in Love and Rebuke to thee and remember that it s written The Rebukes of a Friend are better then the Kisses of an Enemy John Feild THE DEVIL THE Greatest Sinner IN THE WORLD THat Thomas Powel should call his Pamphlet An Answer to John Vaughton and John Field their Fictious Pamphlet as he doth falsly stile it in his Title-page I might indeed very much admire but that I do find him grown to a very great height of Confidence or Impudence that he hath said That he is satisfied that neither Christians nor his Aequaintance will give Credit to any thing that the Quakers should say of him pag. 1. A notorious Untruth indeed for many both Christians and his Acquaintance do believe That what the Quakers have said of him is true and he himself is made to confess to much of it as hereafter I shall make appear and notwithstanding he doth find fault with that Account that I have given of that

was ever the Doctrine of any of the Leading-Quakers as he terms them to Deny Christ Jesus in any of his Appearances or Manifestations whether within or without and though Men in their prejudiced Spirits do judge us as Denyers of Christ Jesus Yet be it known unto all That we expect Salvation and Redemption by no other Thing or Means whatsoever then by that Christ Jesus declared of and born witness unto in the Holy Scriptures But if our Adversaries and men of corrupt Minds who are satisfied in their Bed-ridden Performances and their Duties Fly-blown with Sin cannot believe us be it known unto them That we never did go about to impose a Belief upon any without inward Conviction but we still did and do commit our Testimony to the Witness of God in the Consciences of all men knowing that it is God only that can perswade the Hearts of men and Women to love the Truth and to walk in Subjection thereunto The next thing I shall take notice of is in the 6th page of my Adversary's Book his words are these They acknowledge such a Christ as Vnchrists Christ for his Proof he hath these words They deny him to be God Man in one Person they deny him to be a Distinct Person from the Person of the Father and they deny him also to be a Distinct Person from any of his Members We own God the man Christ Jesus by whom God will judge the Secrets of all Hearts and the true Unity and Fellowship as they owned them that writ the Scriptures howbeit we confess both that Christ after the Flesh was born of the Virgin Mary yet is God over all blessed forever that the Father is greater then the Son and yet one and that Christ is Head and Lord of his People yet one with his People but for T. P's School-Distinctions and School-Gibberish we shall not trouble our selves therewith for his Words are not according to the Form of sound Words laid down in the Scripture yet he pretends the Scripture to be his Rule If any desire further Satisfaction concerning us in the matter above hinted at they may peruse these Books entituled The Divinity of Christ asserted The Christian-Quaker and Quakerism a new Nick Name for old Christianity And for his saying that it had been better for me to have entituled my Book No Christ but Conscience and in this said he thou wouldst have been true to thy principle Here 's a notorious Untruth for we never preacht such a Christ as could be defiled with sin but Conscience may be defiled and may be seared and if this be his State Wo and misery will be his Portion notwithstanding his Imagination of Christ's Righteousness to be his and his Sin Christ's And to proceed he saith and avouches that the Discourse between us save a passage or two was feigned page 6. of his Pamphlet in which he saith I relate this as our greeting one another i. e. you Quakers hold damnable and erroneous Doctrines And to prove him a L in this I refer my Reader to the 3d page of my Book and the Title of that part of the Discourse which passed between us my words are these Something of a Discourse c. not all nor yet our greeting for he having formerly given me a Book wherein he pretends he discoursed the Devil and that he had almost perswaded him to believe he was the true God the thing seemed to be fictious but however I asked him whether the thing was real and whether he had seen the Devil if he had after what manner he said He was cloathed with black like a Minister I queried how he knew that he was the Devil he said he asked him whether he created the Heavens and the Earth and he said Yea and you too by this said he I knew him to be the Devil my answer to him was this how doth this prove him to be the Devil for he that did create the Heavens and Earth and gave man Life Breath and Being was and is the true God but T. P. said He told me also that him whom I and the greatest part of the World worshipped was not the true God and by this also I knew him to be the Devil How doth this prove him to be the Devil wa st not thou at that time in Distraction he said he w●s then said I thou couldst not worship the true God for a man must first know him before he can worship him then he in his Fierceness breaks forth and said You Quakers hold damnable and erroneous Doctrines And though he saith the Discourse is fictious both in its Dependency and in its Matter yet I do affirm that the Discourse that past between us his Questions and my Answers and my Questions and his Answers are placed in my Book according as they were spoken and if I had done otherwise it had been somewhat like that notable Forger Tho. Hicks a man so much in his Esteem for his Dexterity in such matters that he counted him a Divine in the presence of the People at his Meeting in Hartford Shire but T. H. gives him the Lye and in plain Words said I am no Divine if T. P. thinks that I have placed this passage of T. H. and his upon my Memory only he will be mistaken for I have it and much more of that dayes work in writing from divers Persons who took it in short Hand from their Mouths One thing more I shall take notice of that is his telling his Reader He durst not enter into Disputation with us on the Lord's Day yet notwithstanding he sends me a Challenge to meet him on that Day he calls the Lords Day and procures T. Hieks to help him the Words of his Chalenge I thought meet to insert to the End that his Brethren might see what Attempts this late upstart Preacher though in vain doth make who threatned with one more in one day to shake our Foundation quite down which is more then all his Brethren have could or ever shall dō The Words of Thomas Powel's Challenge are viz. John Vaughton I expect thee for to make good what thou hast fathered up on me next Sabbath Day at my Meeting in the Country I shall be sure to be there and another with me where I with him shall shake your Foundation quite down for it is sandy and I perceive you are upon your last Legs already this day I go into the Country being the 31. of August to prepare my self for expelling that Soul-damning Doctrine which thou hast vented in the poor Country thy Friend Tho. Powel By this People may see the notorious Falsness of this man who challenges me into the Gountry yet would insinuate into his Reader that we assaulted him dog'd him and followed him into all places when I can truly say that since this Controversie hath depended between us that neither I nor the Friends concerned with me have followed him into no other place but publick