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devil_n the_o world_n and_o the_o flesh_n in_o that_o respect_n by_o the_o papist_n own_o confession_n be_v right_o call_v the_o church_n militant_a 3_o next_o he_o say_v the_o church_n which_o consist_v only_o of_o the_o elect_n i_o call_v the_o catholic_a church_n which_o he_o dare_v not_o deny_v neither_o when_o he_o bethink_v himself_o a_o little_a better_o how_o the_o catholic_a church_n mention_v in_o the_o creed_n communionem_fw-la creed_n catech._n rom._n in_o symb_n §_o sanctorum_fw-la communionem_fw-la be_v no_o other_o then_o that_o whereto_o belong_v the_o communion_n of_o saint_n the_o forgiveness_n of_o sin_n the_o life_n everlasting_a and_o though_o the_o reprobate_n and_o unbeliever_n mingle_v among_o these_o be_v call_v also_o by_o the_o name_n 6._o name_n show_v cap._n 39_o n_o 6._o yet_o be_v they_o no_o true_a or_o univocal_a member_n thereof_o in_o as_o much_o as_o 5.23_o as_o eph._n 5.23_o christ_n be_v the_o saviour_n of_o his_o body_n but_o the_o church_n wherein_o they_o live_v as_o mouse_n and_o vermin_n live_v in_o a_o man_n house_n be_v call_v catholic_a in_o respect_n of_o the_o elect._n 4._o the_o three_o thing_n he_o say_v be_v that_o this_o church_n militant_a and_o catholic_a to_o keep_v the_o antithesis_fw-la i_o shall_v either_o have_v call_v the_o church_n triumphant_a not_o as_o catholic_n mean_v triumphant_a but_o because_o be_v visible_a it_o may_v triumph_v indeed_o in_o that_o no_o persecutor_n can_v find_v know_v or_o hurt_v they_o but_o this_o foolish_a conceit_n avoid_v not_o that_o i_o say_v but_o idle_o and_o rude_o fly_v from_o it_o for_o the_o church_n which_o in_o that_o place_n i_o affirm_v to_o be_v invisible_a be_v not_o the_o militant_a but_o the_o church_n of_o the_o elect_a alone_o which_o consider_v apart_o by_o itself_o and_o abstract_v from_o all_o other_o respect_n our_o adversary_n themselves_o confess_v to_o be_v invisible_a in_o that_o they_o hold_v 113._o hold_v possunt_fw-la homines_fw-la aliquibus_fw-la coniectutis_fw-la opinari_fw-la quinam_fw-la sint_fw-la qui_fw-la ad_fw-la hunc_fw-la piorum_fw-la hominum_fw-la nun_n erum_fw-la pertineant_fw-la certò_fw-la autem_fw-la scire_fw-la minime_fw-la possunt_fw-la haec_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la pars_fw-la est_fw-la incognita_fw-la cate._n rom._n p_o 113._o no_o man_n can_v judge_v who_o be_v elect_v nor_o see_v the_o glorify_a triumph_v in_o heaven_n and_o so_o they_o lie_v open_a to_o the_o jesuite_n raw_a conceit_n as_o much_o as_o we_o 5_o four_o he_o give_v a_o reason_n why_o i_o shall_v rather_o have_v call_v the_o church_n triumphant_a then_o militant_a or_o catholic_a because_o be_v as_o protestant_n hold_v invisible_a it_o need_v fear_v no_o persecution_n but_o may_v triumph_v indeed_o when_o no_o man_n can_v hurt_v or_o find_v they_o and_o then_o spin_v out_o the_o conceit_n he_o say_v it_o may_v also_o be_v call_v a_o lamentant_fw-la or_o a_o lamentable_a church_n in_o that_o be_v invisible_a member_n thereof_o can_v 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a_o faculty_n to_o manage_v it_o when_o with_o a_o phlegmatic_a jest_n he_o mention_n that_o which_o yet_o in_o the_o place_n where_o he_o be_v put_v to_o it_o think_v it_o his_o best_a course_n to_o say_v nothing_o to_o it_o chap._n xxii_o 1._o report_v make_v by_o papist_n that_o the_o protestant_n be_v without_o religion_n they_o hold_v the_o justification_n of_o the_o gentile_n without_o the_o gospel_n or_o knowledge_n of_o christ_n 2_o no_o salvation_n but_o in_o one_o true_a religion_n 3_o the_o replier_n tergiversation_n 131._o page_n 131._o a._n d._n the_o conclusion_n of_o my_o first_o chapter_n to_o wit_n that_o faith_n be_v necessary_a to_o salvation_n be_v chief_o intend_v to_o be_v set_v down_o against_o such_o as_o think_v it_o sufficient_a to_o lead_v a_o moral_a honest_a life_n without_o care_n of_o embrace_v either_o one_o 2._o white_a p._n 2._o or_o other_o faith_n both_o my_o adversary_n grant_v this_o my_o conclusion_n therefore_o i_o need_v not_o say_v much_o about_o this_o matter_n 1_o the_o conclusion_n here_o mention_v that_o faith_n be_v necessary_a to_o salvation_n be_v not_o chief_o intend_v against_o such_o as_o think_v a_o moral_a honest_a life_n sufficient_a without_o care_n of_o embrace_a faith_n but_o against_o the_o protestant_n who_o 12._o who_o wright_n art_n 1._o posseâ—in_n bibl_n select_v l_o 8_o c._n 1._o ad_fw-la 12._o they_o report_v to_o have_v no_o faith_n nor_o god_n nor_o religion_n but_o to_o be_v mere_a atheist_n hosius_n and_o prataeolus_n 71._o prataeolus_n prateol_n elench_v l._n 1._o c_o 77._o pag._n 71._o write_v that_o we_o worship_v the_o devil_n and_o as_o catholic_n forsooth_o worship_n god_n 9_o time_n adays_o so_o we_o invocate_v and_o worship_v the_o devil_n 10._o time_n adays_o d._n stapleton_n say_v 621._o say_v qu._n 3._o quod_fw-la lib._n p._n 621._o there_o be_v no_o religion_n at_o all_o in_o we_o neither_o true_a nor_o false_a neither_o earnest_n nor_o feign_a and_o what_o opinion_n they_o have_v raise_v of_o we_o in_o italy_n and_o spain_n all_o man_n know_v neither_o be_v it_o credible_a that_o he_o think_v the_o faith_n of_o christ_n to_o be_v so_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n as_o here_o he_o say_v for_o many_o divine_n of_o his_o church_n allow_v salvation_n to_o the_o gentile_n who_o have_v no_o faith_n but_o only_o moral_a honesty_n of_o life_n 690._o life_n sleid._n comment_n a_o 52._o p._n 690._o this_o be_v preach_v at_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n and_o publish_v by_o 291._o by_o andrad_n orthod_n explic_a p._n 291._o a_o principal_a man_n of_o the_o council_n the_o divine_n also_o of_o collen_n 220._o collen_n bale_n cent_n 14._o c._n 59_o pag._n 220._o set_v forth_o book_n concern_v the_o salvation_n of_o aristotle_n wherein_o they_o maintain_v that_o as_o john_n baptist_n be_v the_o forerunner_n of_o christ_n in_o the_o thing_n of_o grace_n so_o aristotle_n be_v his_o forerunner_n in_o the_o thing_n belong_v to_o nature_n yea_o 302._o yea_o accost_n de_fw-fr indorum_fw-la salut_fw-la l._n 5._o c._n 3._o grego_n de_fw-fr val._n â—om_n 3._o pag._n 302._o a_o jesuite_n blab_v it_o out_o that_o certain_a school_n doctor_n of_o this_o time_n very_o grave_a man_n confirm_v that_o salvation_n may_v be_v have_v without_o any_o knowledge_n of_o christ_n the_o which_o be_v true_a and_o these_o doctor_n 3._o doctor_n that_o the_o gentile_n which_o know_v not_o the_o gospel_n be_v justify_v and_o save_v by_o their_o moral_a life_n and_o believe_v that_o there_o be_v a_o god_n reward_v such_o as_o come_v towards_o he_o without_o the_o knowledge_n or_o faith_n of_o christ_n be_v a_o opinion_n that_o have_v great_a patron_n in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n gregory_n of_o valenza_n say_v it_o be_v hold_v by_o vega_n soto_n and_o victoria_n to_o who_o cassalius_n the_o quadripart_n inst_z part_n 1._o l._n 1._o c._n 12._o add_v aquinas_n lyra_n abulensis_n bruno_n dionysius_n carthus_n arboreus_n laudunens_n durand_n capreolus_n paludanus_n ludovicus_n vives_z and_o himself_o think_v it_o may_v be_v hold_v safe_o nullum_fw-la in_fw-la hac_fw-la parte_fw-la discrimen_fw-la rimendum_fw-la videtur_fw-la si_fw-la quis_fw-la sibi_fw-la concessa_fw-la optione_n sententiam_fw-la hanc_fw-la vel_fw-la illam_fw-la obnixè_fw-la tucatur_fw-la pag._n 51._o andradius_n ut_fw-la quis_fw-la cum_fw-la deo_fw-la arctissimo_fw-la charitatis_fw-la iustitiaeque_fw-la vinculo_fw-la prioribus_fw-la illis_fw-la seculis_fw-la constringeretur_fw-la nullam_fw-la aliam_fw-la fidem_fw-la requirebat_fw-la paulus_n quam_fw-la credere_fw-la deum_fw-la esse_fw-la &_o inquirentium_fw-la se_fw-la munificentissimum_fw-la remuneratorem_fw-la esse_fw-la hanc_fw-la qui_fw-la accepta_fw-la à _fw-la rebus_fw-la creatis_fw-la disciplina_fw-la fuerint_fw-la consecuti_fw-la quid_fw-la est_fw-la quod_fw-la à _fw-la iustitiae_fw-la sinibus_fw-la excludantur_fw-la etc._n etc._n pag._n 290._o orth_n expl_n vega_n atque_fw-la hinc_fw-la persuaderi_fw-la potest_fw-la non_fw-la solum_fw-la iustificari_fw-la posse_fw-la homines_fw-la sed_fw-la &_o saluariâ—â—_n sine_fw-la fide_fw-la christi_fw-la explicita_fw-la cum_fw-la haberi_fw-la possit_fw-la ignorantia_fw-la invincibilis_fw-la
in_o 1._o p._n cue_n 19_o pag._n 544._o soto_n maior_n in_o 1._o tim._n 2._o 4_o magalia_fw-la open_fw-mi hierarch_n ib._n annot_v 2._o pag._n 249._o our_o adversary_n be_v privy_a to_o eight_o several_a interpretation_n at_o the_o least_o and_o yet_o to_o this_o day_n they_o do_v not_o consent_v in_o any_o one_o of_o they_o but_o one_o follow_v this_o and_o another_o that_o as_o he_o perceive_v it_o will_v best_o serve_v his_o turn_n for_o the_o present_a occasion_n the_o chief_a whereof_o be_v these_o the_o first_o that_o christ_n as_o he_o be_v man_n and_o by_o his_o humane_a will_n will_v that_o all_o man_n shall_v be_v save_v the_o second_o that_o god_n will_v all_o man_n to_o be_v save_v and_o come_v to_o the_o knowledge_n of_o his_o truth_n in_o that_o he_o make_v we_o to_o wish_v and_o desire_v this_o ourselves_o by_o stir_v we_o up_o to_o seek_v and_o pray_v for_o it_o because_o the_o will_n that_o god_n work_v in_o we_o be_v say_v to_o be_v god_n will_n this_o exposition_n saint_n austin_n penult_n austin_n de_fw-fr civit._n l._n 22._o c._n 1._o &_o 2._o the_o corrept_v &_o great_a cap._n penult_n seem_v though_o something_o obscure_o to_o imply_v silvius_n a_o professor_n at_o douai_n now_o live_v 3._o live_v fra._n sylu._n explicat_fw-la part_n 4._o art_n 1._o ad_fw-la 3._o hold_v he_o to_o it_o and_o dominicus_n bannes_n sup_n bannes_n dom._n bann_n ubi_fw-la sup_n say_v it_o be_v a_o most_o elegant_a exposition_n and_o very_o literal_a the_o three_o be_v that_o such_o only_o be_v mean_v as_o be_v save_v by_o restrain_v the_o universal_a sign_n to_o the_o elect_a alone_o and_o meaning_n that_o god_n will_v all_o to_o be_v save_v that_o be_v save_v by_o the_o virtue_n of_o which_o will_v they_o be_v save_v as_o a_o schoolmaster_n be_v say_v to_o teach_v all_o the_o child_n in_o the_o town_n when_o he_o only_o teach_v all_o that_o be_v teach_v 8._o teach_v aug._n ep_v 107._o &_o enchirid._n c._n 103._o &_o de_fw-la praedest_fw-la c._n 8._o thus_o saint_n austin_n expound_v it_o wherein_z 46._o wherein_z sedul_a beda_n haymo_n anselm_n in_o 1._o tim._n 2._o magist_n d._n 46._o other_o also_o follow_v he_o and_o our_o adversary_n 68_o adversary_n arimin_n 1._o d._n 40._o art_n 2._o camerac_n 1._o q._n 14._o art_n 1._o durand_n 1._o d._n 46._o q._n 1_o ad_fw-la 2_o gabr._n in_o cano._n lect_n 68_o use_v it_o and_o allow_v it_o the_o four_o be_v that_o god_n by_o signi_fw-la by_o voluntate_fw-la signi_fw-la the_o signification_n of_o his_o will_n reveal_v in_o his_o word_n will_v all_o man_n to_o be_v save_v in_o as_o much_o as_o he_o offer_v to_o all_o man_n either_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o gospel_n or_o some_o other_o sign_n whereby_o he_o invite_v they_o to_o salvation_n and_o this_o exposition_n deny_v that_o there_o be_v any_o will_n of_o good_a pleasure_n in_o god_n refer_v and_o determine_v to_o the_o salvation_n of_o all_o but_o only_o to_o the_o mean_v propound_v which_o of_o themselves_o be_v sufficient_a and_o able_a 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