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A13160 A challenge concerning the Romish Church, her doctrine & practises, published first against Rob. Parsons, and now againe reuiewed, enlarged, and fortified, and directed to him, to Frier Garnet, to the archpriest Blackevvell and all their adhærents, by Matth. Sutcliffe. Thereunto also is annexed an answere vnto certeine vaine, and friuolous exceptions, taken to his former challenge, and to a certeine worthlesse pamphlet lately set out by some poore disciple of Antichrist, and entituled, A detection of diuers notable vntrueths, contradictions, corruptions, and falsifications gathered out of M. Sutcliffes new challenge, &c. Sutcliffe, Matthew, 1550?-1629.; Sutcliffe, Matthew, 1550?-1629. Briefe replie to a certaine odious and slanderous libel. 1602 (1602) STC 23454; ESTC S117867 337,059 440

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baruch_n of_o the_o idol_n of_o the_o babylonian_n so_o likewise_o there_o be_v
show_v sculptile_a &_o conflatile_a reor_fw-la say_v 2._o say_v in_o abacus_fw-la 2._o hierome_n dogmata_fw-la esse_fw-la perversa_fw-la quae_fw-la ab_fw-la his_fw-la quibus_fw-la facta_fw-la sunt_fw-la adorantur_fw-la but_o never_o do_v any_o sect_n more_o stiff_o defend_v their_o error_n then_o papist_n for_o they_o hold_v the_o pope_n sentence_n to_o be_v infallible_a neither_o will_v they_o abandon_v any_o of_o his_o error_n though_o never_o so_o plain_o demonstrate_v argument_n 35_o 35._o 35_o arg._n 35._o neither_o can_v they_o excuse_v themselves_o that_o 96._o that_o c._n satis_fw-la do_v 96._o call_v the_o pope_n their_o god_n and_o worship_v he_o with_o more_o strange_a worship_n then_o that_o which_o peter_n refuse_v act._n 10._o the_o canonist_n wonder_v at_o his_o excellency_n clement_n excellency_n in_o proaem_n clement_n say_v papa_n stupor_n mundi_fw-la non_fw-la deus_fw-la non_fw-la homo_fw-la sed_fw-la utrunque_fw-la that_o be_v the_o pope_n be_v the_o wonderment_n 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but_o those_o after_o who_o likeness_n they_o be_v make_v and_o to_o who_o name_n they_o be_v consecrate_v likewise_o saint_n augustine_n in_o psal_n 113._o show_v that_o the_o heathen_a be_v wont_v to_o say_v that_o they_o do_v not_o worship_n that_o which_o be_v visible_a but_o only_o the_o invisible_a divinity_n that_o be_v represent_v and_o manifest_v in_o the_o image_n non_fw-la hoc_fw-la visibile_fw-la colo_fw-la sed_fw-la numen_fw-la quod_fw-la illic_fw-la invisibiliter_fw-la habitat_fw-la and_o again_o they_o say_v nec_fw-la simulachrum_fw-la nec_fw-la daemonium_fw-la colo_fw-la sed_fw-la per_fw-la effigiem_fw-la corporalem_fw-la eius_fw-la rei_fw-la signum_fw-la intueor_fw-la quam_fw-la colere_fw-la debeo_fw-la do_v you_o not_o then_o plain_o see_v that_o the_o idolater_n speak_v like_o the_o papist_n for_o they_o say_v also_o we_o worship_v not_o image_n with_o latria_fw-la proper_o nor_o do_v we_o worship_v devil_n but_o by_o bodily_a shape_n we_o be_v bring_v to_o see_v 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also_o effectual_a to_o inflame_v we_o to_o the_o love_n of_o god_n and_o imitation_n of_o holy_a man_n and_o diverse_a other_o use_n he_o must_v be_v tell_v that_o augustine_n teach_v we_o far_o otherwise_o ducit_fw-la &_o affectu_fw-la quodam_fw-la infirmo_fw-la rapit_fw-la infirma_fw-la corda_fw-la mortalium_fw-la formae_fw-la similitudo_fw-la say_v 2._o say_v in_o psal_n 113._o conc_fw-fr 2._o augustine_n &_o membrorum_fw-la imitata_fw-la compago_fw-la he_o say_v again_o that_o the_o outward_a form_n of_o thing_n do_v bring_v forth_o sordidissimum_fw-la erroris_fw-la affectum_fw-la a_o most_o filthy_a affection_n to_o error_n he_o say_v also_o that_o image_n do_v effectual_o pervert_v unhappy_a soul_n plus_fw-la valent_fw-la simulachra_fw-la say_v he_o ad_fw-la curuandam_fw-la infaelicem_fw-la animam_fw-la quod_fw-la os_fw-la habent_fw-la etc._n etc._n if_o they_o say_v that_o their_o image_n be_v no_o idol_n because_o they_o be_v representation_n of_o true_a thing_n and_o not_o 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