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A07436	A plaine subuersyon or turnyng vp syde down of all the argumentes, that the Popecatholykes can make for the maintenaunce of auricular confession with a moste wholsome doctryne touchyng the due obedience, that we owe vnto ciuill magistrates, made dialogue wyse betwene the prentyse and the priest by Gracyous Menewe.	Menewe, Gracious.; Becon, Thomas, 1512-1567, attributed name.	1555 (1555)	STC 17822; ESTC S109991	27,582	98

of our sauioure Iesu Chryste but ye shall neuer be able to proue y t they are bonde to tell oute theyr synnes vnto them or to receaue suche beggerly absolutyō at their handes as is nowe vsed in Antychristes churche Priest What can ye say to this place of S. Mathewe I wil geue the sayth Chryst to Peter y e keyes of the kyngdome of heauen and whatsoeuer thou bindest in earth shall be bounde in heauen what soeuer thou loosest on earth shal be loosed in heauen And in the. 18 chap. of the same gospel these be our sauiours wordes to all his Apostles Verely I saye vnto you whatsoeuer ye bide on earth shal be boūde in heauē And whatsoeuer ye loose on earth shalbe loosed in heauen And also in the .19 chap of Iohns gospel he sayeth receaue y e holy gost Whose soeuer synnes ye doe forgeue they are forgeuen vnto thē And whose soeuers synnes ye retayne they are retayned The places doe sufficiently declare that Pryestes haue receued of Chryst the autorite and power to forgeue synnes Prentise I wil cirst master person vnder youre correction and leaue shewe what the scripture vnderstandeth by y e keyes and than shal any man easely perceaue and see how shamfully these places haue hertofore beē wrasted and wrighed The keyes sayeth that worthy Chrysostome are the worde of God and y e knowledge of the scriptures whereby y e gate of trueth is opened vnto mē And the kepers of them are the Priestes to whom the offyce of preachyng the worde and expoūdyng the scriptures is commytted Thys is to be called the keye wryteth saynte Augustyne wher wyth the harde hartes are resolued to receaue fayth the secretes of the myndes opened and what soeuer lurketh wythin is by a reasonable way broughte to lyghte That I say is the true keye that openeth the conscyence to true cōfessyon of synne and includeth or shutteth in grace to the eternite of an wholsome mysterie To this a greeth that holy father Ambrose saying verbum dei The woorde of God remytteth synnes the Priest is the iudge in deede the Priest doth his duety and office but he exerciseth no maner power nor iurisdiction And in an other place these be hys wordes Peccata per verbū dimittuntur Sinnes are forgeuen by the worde y e interpreter wherof is the Leuite Now is it playne and euydent enoughe what we oughte to vnderstāde by the keyes euen the true worde of God and the righte vnderstandynge of the scryptures wherby the conscyences of true repentaunte synners are loosed and set at liberte from synne and euerlastyng damnacion and y e cōsciences of them that be hardened in their wicked maliciousnes and wyll in no wyse repente boūd w t the dolefull chaynes of sinne and of helly destructyon And y t thys is the true meanynge and vnderstandyng of the keies Chryst him selfe doeth sufficientlye declare when he sendeth his apostles abrode into the worlde to preach y e gospell o penyng the misterye of byndynge and loosynge on thys wyse goe ye throughoute all the whole worlde and preache y e gospel to all lyuyng creatures here bee the keyes delyuered vnto thē he that beleueth and is baptysed shalbe saued but he that beleueth not shalbe condemned And in the 24 chap. of Luke Christ sayth on thys maner thus it is wrytten thus it behoued Chryst to suffer and to ryse agayne from death y e thirde daye and that repentaūce and remission of synnes shoulde be preached in hys name amonge all nacions The woorde of God then and the preachyng of the gospell are the keyes y t Chryste doeth speake of And when the faythfull ministers of Gods worde doe by due mynistryng and preachyng of y e gospel certifie the repentaunt sinners of the remission and forgeuenesse of their synnes in y e bloud of our sauiour Iesu Christ they louse them so that they are also loused in heauen but when on y e contrarie they do a certayne them because of their vnrepentaunte hartes of the wrath and indignation of God and of euerlastinge damnation excepte they forsake their wicked wayes and turne vnfeynedly vnto the Lorde theyr God they binde them so y t doubt lesse they ar also bound in heauē And by thys byndyng and loosing Christ our sauiour vnderstādeth none other thyng but remitting and retaining of synnes And it is saied that the minister doth forgeue sinnes because that he as a man myght saye sitting in commission vnder hys mayster Chryst doth out of hys mouthe certifie y e cōsciences of true repentaūt sinners of the free remissiō forgeuenes of their sinnes in th blood of y e sōe of god apprehēded takē hold vpō by faith For to sai y t mē cā forgeue sines it is a mere blasphemy agaīst god which thīg the very Pharises Scribs their sels do testifie saying whi doth he speake these blasphemies who cā forgeue synnes but god onely These Pharises Scribes shall rise at y e day of iudgement condēne our Pharisaical hipocrites y t so arragaūtly take vpō thē to forgeue mē their sinnes Priest And haue we not power to forgeue other mē their sinnes but by y e way of cōmissiō Prētyse No forsoth And yet this cōmissiō must be duly executed accordyng to y e wyll pleasure of him y t hath geuē it els it wil be worth 〈…〉 thogh it hath neuer so gloriouse a face in y e site of y e world pri I wil beleue touchynge thys matter as the holy fathers haue beleued taught afore vs. But they haue both beeleued and taught that y e Pryestes haue power and authorite to forgeue synnes Therfore ye maye prate what ye lyst as a sorte of newe fangled heades that ye bee I wyll stycke to the olde catholyke churche as long as I haue any breath in my bodye Prentyse I wyll not haue you to take the matter so hotte master person but let vs rather wyth all lenite and gentylnes reason the matter together that there maye come some edifying of it I doubt not but that ye remember the saying of Ciprian full well where he sayeth and that Chryst oughte only to be heard the father also dyd testifie from heauen saying This is my welbeloued sonne in whō I am pleased heare him Wherefore if Christ oughte to be hearde onely we must not regarde what any man hath afore vs thoughte good to be done but what Christ who is afore all dyd fyrst For we ought in nowise to folow mās custome but the trueth of God And doeth not the Lord our god crye out in the prophete Ezechiell saying Walke not in the statutes of your forfathers kepe not their ordenaunces and defyle not your selfes with their Idols for I am the Lord your God But walke in my statutes kepe my lawes do them Verely maister Person the religion of oure forefathers shall not excuse vs. But what will

¶ A plaine subuersyon or turnyng vp syde down of all the argumentes that the Popecatholykes can make for the maintenaunce of auricular confession with a moste wholsome doctryne touchyng the due obedience that we owe vnto ciuill magistrates made dialogue wyse betwene the Prentyse and the Priest by Gracyous Menewe ¶ Psalme 31. ¶ I sayd I will confesse my sines vnto the Lorde and so thou forgaueste the wickednesse of my people To all faythfull brethren that loue Iesu Chryste sincerelye Gracious Menewe wysheth grace and peace of conscience and Godly strength from God the father throughe oure Lord Iesu Chryst. MAny in these moste perylous tymes whych haue deseruingly chaunced vnto vs for our synnes are in such perplexite and troble of conscience that they can not tel which waye to turne thēselfes whom to helpe and succoure accordyng to the lyttell talent that God hath lent me I haue thought to be my bounden duty And truelye I would haue long agone discharged my conscience in thys parte If I myght by any meanes haue conueniently published and sette forth abroade those thynges that I had prepared for the purpose But that could not bee whyche thynge was to me no lesse gryeuous than if I my selfe had felte the same burdē and payne that I sawe my poore brethren to fele howbeit sith accordyng to the commen prouerbe it is better late then neuer I haue now at thys present penned or written out a litle treatyse wherin I show briefly out of Gods boke and such auncyent wryters as ground their sayinges vpon the same how farre forth we oughte to bee obedyente vnto ciuill magistrates And thys I dyd because many are of this opinion that they are bounde to do whatsoeuer the higher powers cōmaunde them though their lawes were directlye agaynste God and his word in so much that they persuade them selues that they shalbe excused by them in the dreadful dai of iudgemente when we shall appeare all before god if at anye tyme they commit manifest Idolatrye and playne vngodlynesse throughe theyr commaundement Whom I desyer in the bowels of our sauiour Iesu Christ who hath shedde his blood indifferently for all them that heare his worde obedyently and wythout any feare what man can doe vnto them stike and cleaue stedfastly vnto it that they wyll dyligently and wythout affectyon puttyng asyde all vayne loue of their selues looke vpon the places and examples of the holye scripture and vpon the autorites of the olde auncyente fathers that I haue here alleaged in thys my small boke truly aunswerynge all maner of obiectyons that ar made to the contrary then I truste they wil be better aduised and ceasse to please themselues in that which is euil or to iustifie their manifest disobedyence towardes God and hys woorde vnder the pretence and colour of the obedyence that we owe vnto hys magistrates and rulers of the earth whom in the scriptures we are streightlye commaunded to obeye yea vpō paine of damnacyon But in the meane season we muste alwayes haue before our eyen the golden sētence of our sauiour Chryste where he sayeth pay that vnto Ceasar that is due vnto Ceasar and paye that vnto God that is due vnto God If Ceasar that is to say the ciuill magistrates commaunde the nothyng that God hath forbyddē or forbydde thee nothynge that God hath commaunded if thou doeste not then obeye yea thoghe it were to the ieopardye of losinge both lyfe and goodes thou mayst be sure that the vengeaunce of god and euerlastynge damnacyon of hell hangeth ouer thy head ▪ but if the magistrates forgettyng theyr duetye towardes GOD from whom they haue receaued all autoryte and power dooe take vpon them to commaund thee ani thing that GOD hath forbydden or to forbydde thee any thynge that the hygheste Monarche of all hath commaunded thou oughtest in no wyse to obeye not that thou shouldeste make any resystaunce whyche thynge GODDES worde teacheth thee not but that thou shouldest rather w t Sidrach Misach and Abednago and wyth the holy prophete Daniel offer thy selfe to dye a most shamefull and cruel death than in any wyse to be obedyent to theyr vngodly lawes wycked constitutiōs or statutes This thou mayest learne with diligent and affectuouslesse readynge in this boke wherin also thou shalt haue a moste necessary doctryne of confession teachyng thee how auricular confession whiche nowe a dayes to the great hynderaunce of Goddes trueth and defacynge of hys glory is set vp agayne hath no grounde at al nor foundacyon in Goddes woorde but is a mere tradition of that Antichryste of Rome beeyng now besydes al other enormites that bee conteined in it made a snare to snarle catche men wyth all Here are all the argumentes y t the Popecatholykes can make for the maintenaunce of thys Antichristian tradycyon cleane subuerted and turned vpside down with the mightye thunder boltes of Goddes word and with y e strong batteryng peces of the holye fathers of the true catholike church and spouse of oure sauyoure Iesu Christ. And then immediatlye after it is declared what maner of confessyon God doeth requyre of vs in his most sacred worde and holy scripture Thys small laboure of myne I desyre all true faythfull Chrystyans to take in good worth and to praye wyth me instauntlye that God of hys infinite goodnesse and mercye vouchesafe to strengthen them that doe stande and to coumforte and helpe the weake hearted to rayse them vp that fal and finally to beate down Sathan vnder oure fete Whiche thing doubtelesse he wyll doe for hys sonne Iesu Chrystes sake to whom wyth the father and the holy goste bee al praise glorye and honoure for euer and euer So be it ¶ A moste wholsome talke communication betwixt the prentyse and the Pryest touchyng the matter of auricular confessyon wherein all the argumentes that y e Popecatholykes can make for y e mayntenaūce of this Antichristiā tradiciō ar ouerthrowē and quite turned vpside down made by Gracyous Menew PRiest I am glad that I haue met you nowe in so good a tyme yonge man for I haue some what to saye to you Prentyse What haue ye to saye to me master persō here I am ready to heare whatsoeuer ye wyl say Priest How chaunce that ye are so disobedient at thys time to y e Quenes proceadynges Dooe ye not knowe that the scripture biddeth vs to obey y e higher powers And hath not the Quenes maiestye wyth her moste honorable counsayl sent a commission and a most streight iniunction that al generally that are in the yeares of discretion shoulde come to shrifte or auricular confession Howe doeth it chaunce then that ye are so vnwyllyng to come and to fulfyl her graces commaundment Prentise I knowe right wel master person that we are bidden in the scripturs and worde of God to be obedyent to the magistrates and hygher powers For S. Paull sayeth let euery soule submitte her selfe to the autorite of

sayeth playnlye that thynges whyche appertayne vnto God or vnto Gods seruyce ar not in the Emperours power meanīg that kings and Emperours ought to meddell no farther in thynges that appertayne to Goddes true seruice than he himselfe hath appoynted them in his holy sacred worde And out of thys holy father is there a most notable saying reherced in y e canon lawes on this wise Iulianus the Emperour thoughe he was an Apostata yet had he vnder hym Chrystyan souldyers who when he sayed to them bring forth weapons for the defense of y e commen weale wer most obediēt but when he sayd vnto thē bringe forth your armoure and weapons agaynst the Chrystyans they then acknowledged the heauenly Emperoure But aboue all thynges the golden sentences of Sainct Augustyne are to bee marked where he wryteth thus Emperours when they theyr selues are in errour doe for y e defense of their erroure make lawes agaynst the trueth whereby the righteous are both tryed and crowned but not in doynge that whyche they commaunde for god forbyddeth it as when Nabucho donosor commaunded that the golden Image shoulde bee worshipped They that would not doe it plesed God highly who forbyddeth suche thynges But when Emperours are in the way of trueth and make lawes for the trueth agaynst erroure whosoeuer doeth cōtemne such lawes doeth purchase vnto hymselfe great damnacion And ad bonifacium comitem de moderate cohercendis hereticis these be hys wordes whosoeuer wil not obeye the Emperours lawes which are made agaynst the trueth of God doth purchase vnto himselfe a greate rewarde And whosoeuer will not obeye the Emperours lawes that ar made for the trueth doeth purchase vnto hymselfe a great punishmente The lyke in a maner is alleaged out of this holye father in the canon lawes Pryest These autorytes that ye haue brought ar verye Godly And in good fayth I cannot but prayse you for your greate diligence that ye haue vsed in readyng both the scriptures and auncyēt wryters But are ye able to brynge examples out of the scriptures of any of them that woulde not obeye vnto godly statuts and lawes Prentis Ye as very many Sidrach Misach and Abednago were in all thynges moste obedyent vnto kyng Nabuchodonosor as longe as he commaunded them no vngodlinesse in so much that for their true seruice and obedience they were in hygh fauoure with the kynge but after that Nabuchodonosor began to doubte and did sette vp a golden Idolle willing that honour too be geuen vnto it that ought onelye solely to be geuen vnto God they wold in no wyse be obediēt but choose rather to be cast in to the burning fornace With what stomack and boldenesse when they were called before the kyng aunswered they saying Hoc notum sit tibi O Rex quod Deos tuos non coimus neque adorabimus aureum simulachrum quod erexisti That is to saye Lette thys bee knowen vnto the O Kynge that we dooe not worshippe thy goddes nor will worshyppe thy golden Image that thou haste sefte vp Daniel hym selfe who was in greate fauoure with three kinges that is too saye with Nabuchodonosor Elmerodache and Balthasar when a Lawe was made by the procurement of all y e Lordes of Persie that if anye man shoulde aske any thynge by the space of thyrty dayes eyther of anye GOD or of anye man but of kynge Darius onelye he shoulde be casten in to the denne of the Lyons woulde in no wyse obeye but accordynge to hys wonte custome prayed thryse in the daye hys chaumber wyndowes beinge wyde open wherby he was disclosed and accused to the prince and euen then denyed it not thoughe he shoulde too the Lions for it What nede I to reherce here y e moste notable example of Eleazarus that Godly olde scribe When that cruel tirant Antiochus had made a very straite law that as many of the Iewes as woulde not eate swines flesh should be most cruelly put to death this godly olde scribe would rather dye than to breake Gods lawe And whē certayne of his frēds coūseled him to feine himselfe as he had eaten swynes fleshe promising him that he shold by y e meane saue hys lyfe he coulde not finde in hys heart to dissemble but offered himselfe manfully to dye What shoulde we speake here of y e ●ii yong men and of their mother How many and sundri waies wer they tempted to breake the cōmaūdementes of god now with cruell threatninges now wyth fayre flatteryng promyses And yet nothyng could make them to swarue one iotte frō the law of the liuinge god but suffered al a moste horrible and cruel death with their mother As for the example of the Apostles it hath been alleaged alredye Priest Yf this doctryne shold be preached openly it should breed sedicion and tumulte and cause insurrection against the lawful magistrates Prentise I knowe y e manye honeste men are slaundered to haue preached sedicion and disobedience because they haue taught how farre forth men ought to bee obedient to the ciuil magistrates but al men of vpright iudgement that haue heard them can beare witnes to the contrary For alwais in their sermons they dyd most diligently exhort the people to true obediēce towards their magistrats putting before their eies the plags and vengeaunce of god that hath at al times and in all ages happened to them that haue rebelled agaynst their rulers gouernors were they neuer soo wicked and vngodly Priest Is not this a kinde of rebellion when they wil not obeye their lawes and statutes Prentyse I haue alreadye proued vnto you that we oughte in nowyse to be obedient too wicked and vngodlye statutes or lawes This I say haue I already proued by playn textes of y e scriptures by manifeste examples of the same by manye notable authorities of the aunciēt wryters Howebeit I will be of this opinion as longe as I lyue that it were better for a Christian to dye a thousande deathes than once to drawe the swearde against his lawfull magistrate If God send vs at any time suche magistrates as be vngodly lette vs remoue or put away y e causes wherfore god did send them vnto vs then god will eyther turne their harts and make them such as we wold haue them or els if they be geuen ouer into their own lusts take thē awai place other in their roumes Priest What be the causes wherfore God doeth send vngodly magistrates vnto vs Prētyse Sine for the scripture sayeth Regnare facit hypocritam Deus propter peccata populi y t is to saye God causeth an hypocrite too reygne for the syns of the people And in Esaie it is writtē on this māner I shal geue you chyldren to be youre princes saieth the Lord babes shal haue y e rule of you And why because saieth y e prophete youre wordes counseyll are agaynste the Lord prouoking the presence of his maiestie