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A81745	The Quakers vvisdom descendeth not from above or a brief vindication of a small tract, intituled, The Quakers folly made manifest to all men, as also of its authour, from the exceptions made against it, and aspersions cast upon him. In a pamphlet called The voice of wisdom, &c. published by George Whithead, Quaker. / By Tho. Danson, M.A. late fellow of Magd. Coll. Oxon. And now minister of the Gospel at Sandwich in Kent.	Danson, Thomas, d. 1694.	1659 (1659)	Wing D217; Thomason E2255_4; ESTC R210142	19,984	42

the Gosp●l-Ministers are not infallible As also 1 Thes 5.19 20 21. Which I improved Q. Folly p. 33. we may m●s●●ke in some things yet ordinarily we preach infallible Truths Hence the Church is called t●e Pillar and Ground of Truth 1 Tim. 3.15 Pillar non se●su a●c●i●●ctonico sed forensi as upon the Exchange in London are Pillars upon which hang Tables of Proclamations And Ground 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Seat of Tru●h or place of its residence and the gates of Hell shall no more prevail against the publication than the profession and practise of infall●ble Truths in the Church universal though they may against particular Ministers and Churches by damnable Heresies such as yours G.W. And as for your instance of the Scribes and Pharise ●s I answer that though the Spirit did not ●ccompany their Ministry when they spoke against Chr●●t yet h● d d accompany it when they taught the people to ●b e●v● such things as Christ enjoyn●d And this they d●d o●●●ntimes as I shewed Mat. 23.3 What they hi● you observe that observe and do Chr●st did then approve of their Doctrine in those things wherein he would have it practised And if so then the Spirit was in their Minist y and yet he was not in themselves for t●ey sa●● and did not i. e. practised not their own Doctrine Reader note that G.W. having answered after his fashion some o the a●guments in ●he Dispu●e he pretends also to reply to s●veral things which I wrote against R.H. but G. Whith●●●s replies are so ● j●ne that I need but desi●e you to compare them if you judge them worth your reading for I shall not stand to transcribe them with the places in my Book to which I shall refer you and I dare stand to your judgment G.W. p. 34. T. D. p. 35. G. W p. 35. T. D p. 36 37. G. W p. 37. T. D. p. 40 41. G W. p. 40. T.D. p. 44. Only four passages I shall bri●fly reply to T. D. The righteousness which God wo●ks in us is but finite as well as other effects p. 39 G.W. Ans And yet this Pr p. 37. hath owned that the righteousness wh●reof Christ is th● subject and that whereof he is the efficient are of one p●cies or kind then I say the righteou●ness which God e●f●cts in us is not finite but infinite for Christ is Gods righteousness and Christ is formed in us T.D. Reply A pitiful cavil The righteousness in Christ which I asserted to be of the same kind with that in us must be understood of the righteousness of Christs humane Natu●e John 1.16 of his fulnesse have we received Grace fo● Grace viz. As the essential and integral parts of the child answer to the Parents or as the Paper receives the impression of the stamp Christ indeed is Gods righteousn●ss in respect of Gods donation and acceptance of him for mans righteousnesse 1 Cor. 1.30 Who Christ of God is mad● unto us righteousness But the righteousness of the Divine Nature or Godhead is not our Justification No but the righteousness of Christs Humane Nature as it receives an infinite value from the Divine Nature to which the Humane is united in one person T D said the Spirit was not wont to be effectual without the Letter of the Word and gave instance Rom. 10.17 G.W. Ans He might as well have said the Apostles Ministry wa● not wont to be effectual for P●ul was not a Min●ster of the Letter or writing but of the Spirit or thing declared of 2 Cor. 3.6 Rom. 10.17 is against his principle for there is a difference between the Word and the Letter for the Word abideth for ever 1 Pet. 1.23 So doth not the Letter How would Pr. convince Heathens of Christ i● the Spirit be not effectual without the Letter T. D. Rep●y I had thought Paul had been a Minister of the Letter if you mean the writing for did not he minister as you phrase it many Epistles to the Churches and command the Letter to be read Col. 4.16 2 Cor. 3.7 intends that Paul did not only shew them their duty and the happin●ss to be had in Christ but his Ministry was a means of conveying strength to do it and putting them into an happy estate Your d stinction between Word and L●tter is frivolous the Letter abideth for ever in the s●n●e there intended ●●z in the impressions of it upon the hearts of the regenerate v. 2 3. 'T is not true of the new creature that he is bo●n to die To your fond Question I answer The Apo●tle makes preaching ordinarily necessary to the conversion of Heathens Rom. 10.14 How shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard Preaching without the Spirits efficacy brings but the Letter of the Word yet 't is as necessary by Gods ordination as plowing with the influence of the Heavens to make the earth bring forth T. D. The Gospel gives life upon imperfect obedience G.W. Ans And yet before he denied our good works to be a deserving cause of justification when now 't is so far deserving that the Gospel gives li●e upon it T. D. Reply Fair and softly goes a great way in a day G W. you make too much hast to have good speed to find out a contradiction where there is none I did not say that imperfect obedience deserves life though I did that the Gospel gives life upon it Thus your Catholick Brethren when J mes saies This man shall be blessed in his de●d Jam. 1.25 cry out here is a clear place to prove that we are blessed for our d●eds but alas they ma●k not the wariness of the Scripture phrase which is not for but in his deed Our deeds may be Arg●ments or Evidences of our blessed state but no deserv ng cause And hadst thou had any ingenuity thou woul●st have taken in the who●● period which was necessary to understand my meaning which was thus Thoug● the Law gives not life without perfect obedience the G●sp●l gives it upon imperfect obedience i. e. Thou●h the L●w exac●s per●ect personal obedience to Justification 〈◊〉 the Gosp●l does not but by believing we obtain int●●●st in Christs righteousness for that end T. D. David was not free from th● b●ing o● sin in this life but a sad instance of the power of it in real Saints and yet he is made a pattern to New-Testament-Saints Zach. 12.8 p. 48. G.W. Ans That Scripture proves his Doctrine false for the words are He that is f●e●●le among them shall be as David and the House o● Dav●d sh●ll be as God as the ●ngel of the Lord ●efore them So that David and the New-T●stament-Saints were free f●om sin for in God is no sin T. D. Reply The words are intended in the Letter of the H●●o●ch Fort●tude and S●rength which the people should have in ●he t●me of danger like to David's And of ●e ●ngelik● a●d Divine pitch of both which the Ruler● intend●d by the House of

credible Witnesses as Mr. and Mrs. Hooke and divers others And at Aldermanbury on a Lords day June 12 1659. whilst the Psalm was singing a Quaker gat up into the Pulpit with his Hat on his head and setting his Breech upon the Cushion fell to sewing Anoth●r example as remarkable as the former was in Christ-Church Octob. 6 1659. It being a Day of publick Thanksgiving the Parl. L. Major Aldermen Com. Coun. Officers of ●he army being there met together to hear Dr. Homes and Mr. Caryl who were appointed by the Parl. to preach before them Mr. Caryl being the last that preached it so fell out that when he was in his last Prayer there were two Quakers made a very great disturbance in the publick assembly in the very presence of authority This will be testified by many Witnesses that were present And they seem to regard their own Worship as little as they do ours For March 6 1659 one Mary Todd of Southwark Quaker at the Bull and Mouth in Aldersgate-street an usual Meeting place whilst her Friends as they call one another were speaking pull'd up all her cloaths above her middle Mr. Tho. Cress●t Chirurgion exposing her nakednesse to the view of all that were in the Room and walked so up and down a while using several expressions about her practise as sutable to a state of innocency and perfection This I had from an eye and ear-witnesse who is named in the Margin and what a beastly and abominable practise this was especially in a woman besides the unseasonablenesse of it being in the time of their Worship such as it is I leave to thee to judge And whereas 't is an usual thing for the Quakers to call Ministers of the Gospel Liars it is well enough known that besides the Lies of their Doctrine they have not so much moral honesty as to speak Truth in matters of Fact In May last there having been some discourse one day between one Howard of Dover Quaker Mr. Russel Min. in the Marsh and a Minister in Rumney Marsh the next day was appointed for further discourse between them two but over-night the said Howard sent his horse and man for Mr. Fisher sometime a Minister now a Quaker and suspected to be a Jesuit and going with him to the place of meeting told the people that seeing S. Fisher came accidentally thither he would now leave the discourse to him whereupon one among the people stept out and told Howard that he lied for he did see his horse and man go out over-night and see the said Fisher ride into the Town on the morning upon the same horse by which it was manifest that he sent for him on purpose All that they could say in justification of themselves was that the said Fisher came accidentally in respect of the people or Minister who was to discourse they knowing nothing of his coming To conclude I desire thee Reader to peruse the Quakers answer to certain questions proposed to them hereto annexed wherein thou wilt find them denying the Scriptures to be the Rule for judging matters of Faith asserting that they should have had knowledge of God sufficient to salvation if they had never heard of the Bible and their words and writings are as infallible as the Scriptures and again denying the Persons in the Godhead the Humane Nature of Christ and that Christ is a distinct Person from the Saints and that there hath been a true Church since the Apostles till now and that one day is more holy than another And surely by these Principles in conjunction with the rest which thou hast an account of in the Book it self to which this Narrative is annexed the Quakers have for ever forfeited the name of Christians and are to be reputed Heathens Sandwich Octob. 10 1659. Questions proposed to and answered by Joseph Fuce Quaker Quest VVHether the Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testament be the Rule of trying and judging all matters of Faith and obedience towards God Answ And now I shall set down these Proofs to prove the Scriptures are not to be the Rule for to try and judge all things or matters of Faith John 5.22 c. Q. Whether the Light within you so much speak of be suffici●nt to guide you to Salvation if you had never heard of the Bible Ans I do believe if I had never seen the Bible yet believing the Witnesse which God hath given which is Christ the Light hope and Glory in us which we so much speak of and preach freely as we have received to the offending of those deceivers that preach for hire and so make merchandise of the people I say I should have attained to the knowledge of God if I had never heard of the Bible Q Whether the teachings or writings of any of your way be infallible or of equal authority with the Scriptures of the Old and New Testament Ans I say we do not erre in speaking or writing the Truth as it is in Jesus and that of God in all Consciences shall one day witnesse this to be true and infallible and the Scriptures and our writings hath and will most certainly come to passe Q. Whether the Father the Word and the Spirit be three distinct Persons in the self-same Godhead Ans As for thy words three distinct Persons that I deny till thou provest them by plain Scripture It is like the Bishops in Rome may own thee in them for that is some of their unfruitful works of darknesse Qu. Whether J●sus Christ hath a Divine and Humane Nature in one person Ans Thy words Humane Nature I return them with those words Three Persons into the Pit of confusion from whence they came Qu. Whether Jesus Christ remains for ever a distinct Person from all the Saints Ans But as for being a distinct Person from all the Saints he is not Qu. Whether the true Church hath failed upon earth since the death of the Apostles of Jesus Ch●ist mntil these times if not in what age or ages or among what people hath it continued Ans He caused all both small and great rich and poor bond and free to receive a mark in their forheads or in their right hand Read Rev. 13. And thus the true Church ceased or failed upon earth since the death of the Apostles of Christ until ●he raising up of Gods own seed out of the earth to stand a witnesse against wicked murderers and Persecutors of the Saints and true Church of Christ Qu. Whether the first day of the Week be more holy than any other day of the Week Ans All the daies of the Week as the Lord created them are holy unto the Saints who are redeemed from observing daies and moneths and times and years These things are expresly asserted and subscribed by Joseph Fuce FINIS