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A18924 The syn, against the holy ghoste made manifest from those grounds of faith, which haue bene taught & received by the faithfull in Engla[n]d, & that for those 40.y. togither vnder the prosperovs raigne of my Soveraigne Lady and Quene Elishabet. Which may serue for a rayning in of the heady, & yet for a spur to slouthfull spirits: by Henoch Clapham. Clapham, Henoch. 1598 (1598) STC 5345; ESTC S117149 23,663 26

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I teach vnto yow and euen for that both I and yow do owe much praise to the hiest Stand in the ways behold ask for thold way vvhich is the good way If the old way be the good way of god contained in the Bibles Canon then what are the vvays wherin sowles must stand while they enquire for that good way Is it anie thinge but the voices of the faithfull in al ages who haue trod forth the way of life before vs And this is it causeth Christ to direct his Loue no otherwise but by bidding her If she were ignorant to get her forth by the steps of the flocks who had trod the tract before her And for this cawse also is it that the Church is called The piller ground of truth Manie cold be contented I drewe such a Carde of antiquitie for clearing the life of faithfull in Succession who yet with Iob haue bene ouerron with an outward scab sowle vntoucht of Satan but they shold knoe it vnreasonable to bid the Israelite make brick and then deny him strawe And yet yow and I haue gone a warfare at our owne charges though euer we cānot all things but the lord knoeth what is necessarie Meane tyme as we are debtors to all so let vs as we may cast our breade on all waters or sorts of people for after many days we shall fynd it And so besuchinge yow to hold fast least another take the crowne I desire the Lord his sauing spirit to dwell for euer in our spirits So be it ¶ To his beloued Tho. whicks and Ri. Carter 〈◊〉 sauing guiftes of the Spirit Amen NOt knowing if so we shall liue to behold one anothers face againe in this lyfe let me supplie the wast paper with those few lynes Returninge from the funerals of my excellent gracious frend Mistris Anne Ogle I was motioned to conflict with your neighbour Romanist prisoners But considering I had no orderly callinge so to doe yow knoe how vnwilling I was Yet afterwards perceiuing a nere frend of myne his foote snarled in theyr grin which amazd me more then all Romish learning could I not only was willinge but also made challendg yet vnder hand-writing that so any beholder thereof they might more orderlie iudge The Doctor agreed Under his hand for shaking my ministrie he put downe this I ●…esis All true Ministers of the Ghospel are only raised vp within the present established church of Rome Hereto I opposed drawing his argument into forme vrging him to proue the Maior All such Ministers are only raised vp in the established church of Christ for that I denied secondlie That Romes Church euer was or is that only church which also I denied To the Minor but skipping ouer the word Only he said somthing And therto I excepted first by calling into question ād not vnworthily if euer Romes Church was truly established Secondly though that shold appeare I denied the present church of Rome to retaine the Auncient Apostolike faith And here I propounded theyr hallowing water wax Bells for driuing away deuels etc. Purgatory fyre for cleansing away sin theyr constituting Sts. departed Mediators wherevnto I now adde Sauiors theyr postinge ouer one mans works for supplying anothers lack which they terme works of Super-erogation ād the church her treasure set of sale in leaden Buls in theyr yeare of Iubile with a Fifte doctrine I now remember not for I lefte the writings behind in Marshland Hereat the Doctor sterued callinge me falsifier etc. denying theyr church to teach those doctrines As for the Major proposition though in 3. sondry writs I prouoked him which first in order shold haue bene handled in Nature or Art yow knoe in neuer one of his papers he wold somuch as looke that way he perceiuing it I doubt not to be an Iron too hot for his fingring And so Clapham remaines vntouched ād interessed with a ministrie of the ghospell although my god knoweth I knoe my self most vnworthie and cold be glad thereof to be disburdened It now remaineth to be examined if so I charged theyr church falslie And therein I refer my words to be compared with all Romish writers manie before but specially since theyr cursing cursed Councell of Trident Neptunes thre-tynd forke for hurling one sea of errour vpon another But I knoe he knoes the charge most true only till he had trapped som sowles and fettered them fast he wold not haue such trumpery discouered This was it which caused him speak so plausibly Viz The common seruice book could neuer beget faith and yet themselues make most of it theyr owne that faith is begotten only by preaching and yet themselues first introduced domb priests that they haue the office of Elders but yet none that in the same Congregation assisteth a Pastor as also that of Deacons although none to waite on the Loue-tables nor occupied about the poore such couert speach he vsed till one was foulie snarled Yea such was his fetch in bellowing out against my Biblio-thecaes 14. chap. sainge first there were no such words in Hierom then being let se them crying forth I had not truly translated them afterwards saing I had misalleadged them as if I had collected two real bodies of Christ whereas therewith Hierom and Augustine I only collect two manner of presences not substances And yet being in place togither his vnblushing forehead made me abashed and that to his ytching eared auditorie stood against me for victus victa victum But such seing I knoe they will not se when they knoe an Auncient to make against them as for example A Romish mate at table of our right Woo. frend he in a brauerie knowing none there able in that to conuict him wold proue that the Beasts nomber 666. it cold not arise as protestāts wold from the word Latinus He accomptinge 666. wold not arise and did not som hearer say he had sufficientlie confuted I do not think but he well knewe that auncient Ireneus said yes and yet himself of the Latine empire But you must knoe that the father as also Iohn did write in Greeke and so the word not Latinus but Lateinos from whence results the nomber thus L 30. A 1. T. 300. E 5. I 10. N 50. O 70. S 200 And so the Cock crewe before the victory The same nomber artseth from Ecclesia Italica thus E 5. C 20. C 20. L 30. E 8 S 200. I 10. A 1. I 10. T 300. A 1. L 30. I 10. C 20. A 1. Their Paris Genebrard he labours to disgrace such calculation by propounding the name Luter But not fynding the nomber in Greeke he turnes it into hebrue Character but yet it will not reatch he bumbasts it therefore with another L so makinge it Lulter for tentoring out 666. But if the Malice of France wold haue the nomber out of an hebrue word let him count
Paschal lamb was slaine Rahabs howse out of which places whosoever were found when the LOrd came to iudgment loe without all mercie they perished as straungers to the common wealth of Israel And this is it the Spirit teacheth in those words Not for saking the fellowship that we haue among our selues as the maner of som is but let vs exhort●… one another that somuch the more because we se the day draweth nere for if we syn voluntarily vnderstanding the former doble syn spoken of after we haue receiued the knowledge of the truth there remaineth no more Sacrifice for synnes but a fearfull expectation of iudgment violent fyre which shall devoure the aduersarie The collection of the whole is this Those that once haue bene illuminate and tasted of God his good word so far as they haue bene interessed with the ground and principles of the Gospell therewithall enioying fellowship with Noah and his few sowles in the Arke notwithstāding som vncleane creatures within if now they voluntarily reiect the word of Noah they once beleiued and so willinglie leap out of the churches bosom it is impossible to vs ward but they drowne vnable to be recouered by our prayers or theyr vnseasonable repentance Yea only we can expect the convayance of such soules to be pent till last iudgment in the prison infernall where now the sowles are who mocked Christ his spirit preaching of old in Noah for 120. y. togither Blessed Iohn hauinge taught that Christ Iesus is our sole reconciliation that the same death effecteth in vs loue towards God and our brother anone he teacheth that we haue assurāce of synnes remissiō in our sowles and in our brethren by being stirred vp by his spirit to pray in faith called parrhesia a trust leaning on a promise but therewithall he intimates a certaine kynd of syn for the which a brother hath no promise to pray There is a syn to death I say not that he shold ask forgivenes for that And what is this but what is taught to the Hebrues There remaineth no sacrifice for such Prayers supplications intercessions we are commaunded to offer vp for all sorts of people for that Dauid foresawe to be ghospels sacrifice and thus saith A glorious auntient of the Ghospell supplications thanksgiuings are the sole perfect sacrifices pleasing God that Christian hearts haue learned only to offer them but for those that syn this syn to death I say not saith Iohn thow art to pray for that Som haue taught this syn to be finall desperatiō thē Iohns speach might implie prayer for a penitent person dead but no prayer for him we se to dy impenitent and this Rome liketh well Others graunt the syn seable in this life and so both the former scriptures imply and hereof two iudgments the better sort adde vnto all is said vnto the Hebrues a willing malitious persecuting the knovven truth because it is the truth This I can hardlie beleiue to be in anie but the deuell himself But if it can be I say it doth not simplie cause this syn to be but more to be for such a syn we shall not be able to proue in manie ages whereas the holy writ affirmeth that in the latter days begon in thapostles tyme manie shold depart from the faith hauing seared consciences teaching doctrines of deuels with Iannes and Iambres ordeyned of old to destruction etc. and therefore this syn no such Rar'auis black swā as manie haue made it thorough too much pitie which hath brought with it much detriment vnto the lords city The worser sort the Brownists though I knoe not that he was euer so stupid hath babled that euerie syn which brought the body vnder Death by Moses his lawe that is this syn Iohn speaketh of A collection of bloody crueltie rather beseming Bull the hang-man then anie that wold be demed disciples to Iesus But such was the old condemned heresie of Nouarianus Our sauiours practise with the woman taken in the act of adulterie it argued another spirit and so did the censure of excommunication practised by Corinth against the incestuous fornicator which being for humbling the flesh therefore before not humbled and recouering the spirit yet steeping vnder the ashes of senslesnes must needs togither with the pronunciation admit prayer for him as for a brother not vtterlie but almost gone in a spirituall trance But because they wold scorne to be thought to learne anie thing of Clapham though secretlie somtimes the greatest of them are forced to leane towards me let them learne of S. Paul two excommunications the first whereof 1 Cor. 5 existing for a season viz Till the flesh be humbled the second enduring to death chap. 16. 22. called in Syriak phrase Maran-atha in English The Lord commeth And this is of like value with the Hebrues Cherem or creature accursed Iosh. 7. 11. 13. And this is the syn the Author to the hebrues teacheth as also Iohn terming it a syn to death because excommunicate to the narall death for whome he will not say pray for whome to the hebrues the church cannot sacrifice for whome S. Paul appointeeth the denunciation The Lord commeth whereto S. Iude borowinge Henorhs prophetie addeth Behold the Lord commeth to iudgment because such synners are euer to heare of Iudgment no more of the Ghospell which they willinglie haue torne vp by the rootes and despitefullie reiected And so and no otherwise I thinke those scriptures can of vs be reconciled When thapostle speaketh of an Heretike gone from the truth For of an Heretike neuer possessed therewith he cānot speake he cōmaundeth vs to Reiect him after ōce or tvvise admonition adding a reason Knovving that he that is such is turned ouer sinneth on autokatakritos being damned of him self Will an Heretike tell vs he damnes himself Noe how thē do we knoe he is damned of himself no otherwise but because he is obstinate in som principle cōtrarie to that of the Gospell he once beleiued So in this generall willinge apostacie from the rudiments of Christ such will not vpon our dealing with them acknowledge they syn against Conscience nor do I thinke theyr Conscience in the present state doth euer condemne them but comparinge it with the former waking estate this present state is accompted condemned yea for euer to be dispared of nor maruell we that such as from heart and mouth voluntarily vomited vp faith and fellowship they shold be vnto vs a people dispaired of more then an arme or legge of the bodie droppinge downe rotten rype of itself is depriued of all physik as Ministringe no hope of recouerie And therefor this syn not committed of Peter nor yet of Frances Spiera Lawyer of Citadella For howsoever with the mouth thorough feare of man they denyed Christ and true faith yet the heart neuer gaue consent fully to the mouth much lesse did they voluntarily shake of both faith