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Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
truth_n	brother_n	eden_n	giles_n	60	3	16.2874	5	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A80400	The old proverbe, as good be a knave, as amongst knaves (though Committee men) is debated, and concluded to be false, by Francis Cooke, and Thomas Gualter, as they were riding between London and Cambridge, and conferring upon this proverb, and many other things usefull for all to know, but more especially for some in authority. In which conference the innocent, and such as have stood for the truth, are made known and commended, and the nocent and such as use deceit and falshood are discovered, and left to bear their deserved shame and punishment. As also the cruel and unreasonable doings of some Committee men, and others, against good men, and such as have been most forward for the Parliament: some of their abuses stript, which deserve to be whipt.	Cooke, Francis, of Cambridge?,; Gualter, Thomas.	1646 (1646)	Wing C6009; Thomason E316_3; ESTC R200520	22,111	16

for it And now in reprooving his fellow Sequestrators and then complaining of them and of their Collector Will Nichols And then speaking of Ja. Whinnels debts and arresting him at London and that yo●r brother was the cause of the displacing the Vicar of Wisbeech And that he framed a false Petition to the Committee of plundered Ministers to get in a Minister in the roome of a Delinquent Minister that last had it And that it was agreed on betweene him and the Minister that it he could procure the personage for him it being worth 200. l. per an. he should have it for 100 l. a yeare And that your brother being in debt 60. to Mr. Nichols a Preacher that formerly had the said parsonage did threaten him in writing that unlesse he would forgive him his debt and let him his personage still he would complaine of him to the Parliament for he knew faults enough by him that would cast him out but if he would doe the former two things let him be as bad as he would he would not meddle with him And they say your brother hath sought to be revenged on Ja. Whinnell complaining against him to the Committee of Examinations and they speake hardly concerning the witnesses that testified against him because they did not complaine of it before and they say further that he is such a strong Presbiterian that he is the only man that opposeth their proceedings in those parts about Religion C. If all these were true my brother were bad enough though many of them deserve praise were but the weather sociable the wayes cleaner or the wind lower I should spend two houres time in answering these things but being as it is I shall be very briefe but so as I hope I shall make it plainely appea●e that in most of these things my brother deserveth praise and that some of them as they are reported are very false I shall begin with Vicar Giles or Iame Giles for so he was called my brother living in the same Towne with him and farming the parsonage there heard him deliver these popish points That men since the fall had abilitie to keep Gods commandements That the second Commandement was indeed no commandement but a commentary on the first That it is not lawfull for lay men to read the Scriptures That some men were in Heaven for their good workes That before the words of Consecration the bread in the Sacrament was indeed bread but after those words it was the very bodie of Christ and ought to be adored My brother after two or three times talking with him concerning these points in private he still persisting after prayers were ended my brother told the people that Mr. Giles taught them false Doctrine Mr. Giles said beare witnesse and shortly after obtained of the Church-Wardens to present my brother in the Bishops Court before Doctor Eden who suspended him and injoyned recantation But because my brother would not deny the truth he brought above 20. witnesses before the Bishop and Dr. Eden at the Bishops pallace at Downham to prove Giles his evill life and false doctrine Bishop Buckridge only reproved Giles About this Bishops death Vicar Giles about with this businesse againe before Dr. Eden at Cambridge my brother because of Dr. Edens injustice there was advised to appeale into the Arches where it became two suits Dr. Eden was advocate for Giles there after Vicar Giles neglected Dr. Eden And then he turned to my brother and advised him to sue Giles in the Audience but after a yeare or two the Dr turned to Giles againe After many yeares my brother was cast in the Arches both in the Gravamen and the principall cause by Sir Io. Lambe at which time and before my brother sought agreement with Vicar Giles and offered him money enough No saith Vicar Giles I seeke not your money but you you shall recant He had thought to have converted my brother to him but he being resolved not to deny the t●uth what ever came of it appealed to the Delegates After 2 or 3. yeares there D. Eden being still advocate for Giles both suits past against my brother who again tendred Vicar Giles all cost and a great deal more money but nothing would serve the Vicar but he must recant he would not so it cost my brother in 12 year●●t being in 4. courts what with transmission of all the books many commissions one charge or other above 400. l. and was constrained to live for the most part of 3. years and a half about London to keep from the Vicars rage this T. Wilson was then solicitor against my brother in the behalf of his father Giles and persecuted him fiercely and caused my brother during the space of these 12. years to be presented at Doctor Edens court at Ely 100 times and more because he went to hear the next preacher when Vicar Giles did not preach he usually preaching not above once in 4. or 6. weeks At last a Parliament came my brother did petition against this Giles and against Doct. Eden Sir I. Lamb Iudge Bartlet and others for injustice he had Vicar Giles voted an unfit man for the ministry by the grand Committee for scandalous ministers But his other petition against the Iudges for injustice to his dammage 500 l. was referred to the Committee for Courts of Iustice my brother attending with his witnesses at both the Committees untill one charge or other cost him 45.l and then the troubles of the Kingdom grew to be so great that private causes were adjourned and there that petition lyeth still but Vicar Giles died it was said he poisoned himself As for T Wilson for trespasses my brother brought onely 2 actions against him when he might have brought ten and did not that neither untill after Th. Wilson sued him for pigs once comming into his yard and my brother did prosecute but one of these actions to execution although Thom. Wilson was cast in them both and this Th. Wilson amongst other of his almost incredible malicious actions against my brother did cause him to be taxed at Emneth for the ship-money in such a disproportionable manner as was unreasonable insomuch as my brother found so much justice from the Sheriffe and high Constable that they laid a great part of that taxe upon T. Wilson and eased my brother there for should my brother have born all his wrongs it had been more then unexpedient as one said wisely it would have inspired him with boldnes and so drawn on more injuries evil natures grow presumptuous upon forbearance in a dogged stomack which is onely capable of the restraint of fear the silent digestion of a former wrong provokes a second and Religion allowes us asmuch of the serpent as of the dove it is our duty indeed to be simple as doves in offending them but we are no lesse charged to be wise as serpents in defending ourselves G. But let me interrupt you a little is that this Th

they say my brother is such a strong Presbyterian c. I le tell you hee is so farre from sideing so as to make the breach wider that hee honours all those that bee godly men whether Presbyterian or Independant not pretending to have so much knowledge as to conclude certainely which is the best where so many Godly men do differ yet according to that small measure of knowledge he hath his judgement is rather inclin●ble for the Presbyterian But desires to wait untill it shall please God to reveal those things to his humble servants that seeke unto him But I le tell you what kind of people my Brother doth not approve of such as the Apostle Peter and Jude speakes of which speake evil of those things they know not nor understand someing out their owne shame and walking after their owne lusts one of them affirmed openly in the Market place at Wisbeech that a Godly learned Preacher that preached there could a ly in the Pulpit because he said whom God loves once he loveth to the end and cited Iohn 13 1. to prove it And threatned hee would pull him out by the eares if he came thither againe And the same man Iames Whinnell another time comming to carpe at an able Ministers doctrine now placed by the honourable Committee for plundered Ministers in Wisbeech tels him the scriptu●es are plaine enough of themselves they neede no interpretation This Preacher demands of him what hee thought of those places where it saith the eyes of the Lord and the Arme of the Lord and the like whether he did thinke that God hath eyes and Armes as men have yea saith he I thinke so for is it not said God made man after his owne Image And this man hath many that side with him and seeke to uphold him such as call our best Preachers Baals Priests Rascalls and the like although they be such as the Apostle Paul commendeth workemen which neede not be ashamed but are able to divide the word of God aright Yet themselves whilst they thus vilifie Godly Preachers are profane in their lives not regarding the Lords daies but speaking their owne words and doing their owne workes on those daies nor observing the fast daies but minding feasting rather then fasting when God and men call for it Gualter I am very glad to heare your answer concerning these complaints for certainly most of these things deserve praise we have had too few such men as your Brother C I am glad to heare you judge so rightly of them he spake truly that said truth may loose at the start yet it will get ground afterwards and winne I le tell you of two or three things more my Brother hath done that his adversaries will now hardly speake of But if the Kings partie should prevaile they will be laid open to the full At the first setting forth of the Parliaments propositions for Horse Men Money and Plate my Brother lent and expended above the tenth part of his poore estate in Iuly 9. and Iuly 12. 164● He listed two ●●●at horses in Moor-fields with their riders ready furnished valued at 42.l besides he kept them in London one moneth at 5 shil. per diem which cost him about 7 pounds more they went forth in Major Gunters Troope the first was raised but the Lord Brookes If every one of his ability had then hearkened to the Parliament and set forth but one such horse with his rider or the value thereof in money at that time as the Citie of London did abundantly in all probability their forwardnesse would so have damped the other side that they would have had no hearts nor hopes to have taken up Armes and so all this unnaturall warre had beene prevented and many thousand of mens lives preserved and multitudes that have beene plundered and undone would still have beene in a flourishing Condition I speake not of those that were contrarie minded for if all men had beene for the Parliament they had not needed to have prepared for their defence I onely speake of those that seemed to bee so but did nothing or very little untill it was too late my Brother being at London in Iuly aforesaid when he listed his horses and their riders it being in harvest time he not regarding so much the getting in of his harvest as the peace of the Kingdome meets with a Country Gentleman of his acquaintace who admired his forwardnesse my Brother answered him he did it to keepe peace for said he if the Countries would doe as many of the Londoners and I have done it would be a means to preserve peace the Gentleman answered my Brother said well but I thinke at that time he did but little but it hath Cost him the price of many such horses since Gualter But why doe you speake of this Now it is too late to helpe it C. I speake of it to this end First that many who now ly under sundry grievances may cease to murmure against others and repent they came not timely to helpe the Lord against the mighty for it may be now said unto them as Paul said to the Marriners and Master of the Ship in another case Sirs you should have hearkened to the Parliament and have saved all this losse And as they were faithfull unto you who made choise of them so ought you to have beene and not have deserted them and the cause in which your selves were interessed with them when they made it publiquely knowne there was need of your helpe Secondly to shew my Brothers faithfulnesse and readinesse at that time which the Parliament must needs take as an acceptable service what though it resemble the two Mites cast in by the poore Widdow in comparison of what others did Thirdly to shew the evill disposition of those that derive their power from the Parliament and have so ill requited him as to take away his Cattle and goods without cause After this my Brother had only two sonnes men growne both which hee set forth to beare Armes for the Parliament who have voluntarily Jepordide their lives in the high places of the fielde have beene in the greatest fights and though I say it they are men that have behaved themselves so as they have had praise Besides my Brother himselfe followed the Armie at least three moneths to encourage the Souldiers at his owne Costs after which he comming to Wisbeech was a chiefe instrument to preserve the Ile of Elye out of the hands of the Parliaments enemies for hee hearing that Sir Ier. Scroote raised Souldiers about Gednie-Cap Welby neare Sutten and others began to fortifie Crowland of another side and Linn Regis of the other side And Captaines entertained at Dodington in the said Isle and began to fortifie there Capt. Pigg spake of beating up a Drum about Wisbeech for Souldiers And that the Castle of Wisbeech was in the hands of the Parliaments enemies whether men and Ammuniton might be quickly and closely conveyed both by