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A01324 A reioynder to Bristows replie in defence of Allens scroll of articles and booke of purgatorie Also the cauils of Nicholas Sander D. in Diuinitie about the supper of our Lord, and the apologie of the Church of England, touching the doctrine thereof, confuted by William Fulke, Doctor in Diuinitie, and master of Pembroke Hall in Cambridge. Seene and allowed. Fulke, William, 1538-1589. 1581 (1581) STC 11448; ESTC S112728 578,974 809

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which_o they_o shall_v shed_v i_o commend_v unto_o you_o a_o sacrament_n therefore_o y●_z sacrament_n be_v not_o his_o body_n which_o then_o be_v see_v nor_o his_o blood_n which_o afterward_o be_v shed_v but_o saunder_n glide_v over_o these_o word_n as_o though_o he_o see_v they_o not_o presume_v upon_o the_o credulity_n of_o papist_n which_o must_v believe_v that_o they_o make_v nothing_o against_o the_o carnal_a manner_n of_o presence_n if_o he_o say_v so_o he_o pass_v to_o another_o say_n of_o augustine_n in_o joan._n tr._n 26._o &_o 27._o to_o prove_v that_o the_o error_n of_o the_o lewes_z be_v not_o concern_v the_o substance_n of_o the_o flesh_n that_o must_v be_v eat_v real_o but_o concern_v the_o manner_n of_o eat_v of_o it_o because_o augustine_n say_v carnem_fw-la intellexerune_n quomodo_fw-la etc._n etc._n they_o understand_v flesh_n so_o as_o it_o be_v tear_v in_o a_o carcase_n or_o sell_v in_o the_o shambles_n and_o not_o as_o it_o be_v quicken_v with_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n i_o answer_v this_o be_v one_o of_o their_o error_n but_o not_o all_o for_o augustine_n in_o ps._n 98._o bring_v in_o christ_n deny_v they_o his_o natural_a body_n and_o blood_n ergo_fw-la they_o err_v in_o the_o substance_n as_o well_o as_o in_o the_o manner_n &_o in_o joan_n tr._n 24._o he_o say_v illi_fw-la putabant_fw-la eum_fw-la erogaturum_fw-la corpus_fw-la suum_fw-la ille_fw-la aut_fw-la they_o dixit_fw-la se_fw-la ascensurum_fw-la in_o coelum_fw-la utique_fw-la integrum_fw-la cùm_fw-la videritis_fw-la fiüum_fw-la hominis_fw-la ascendentem_fw-la ubi_fw-la erat_fw-la prius_fw-la certè_fw-la vel_fw-la tunc_fw-la videbitis_fw-la quia_fw-la non_fw-la eo_fw-la modo_fw-la quo_fw-la putatis_fw-la errogas_fw-la corpus_fw-la suum_fw-la vel_fw-la tunc_fw-la intelligetis_fw-la quia_fw-la gratia_fw-la eius_fw-la non_fw-la consumitur_fw-la morsibus_fw-la they_o think_v that_o he_o will_v give_v out_o his_o body_n but_o he_o say_v that_o be_v will_v ascend_v into_o heaven_n whole_a when_o you_o shall_v see_v the_o son_n of_o man_n ascend_v where_o he_o be_v before_o certain_o even_o then_o at_o lest_o you_o shall_v see_v that_o he_o give_v not_o out_o his_o body_n after_o that_o manner_n you_o think_v even_o then_o at_o lest_o you_o shall_v understand_v that_o his_o grace_n be_v not_o consume_v with_o bitinge_n in_o these_o word_n the_o argument_n of_o his_o ascension_n take_v away_o all_o corporal_a presence_n as_o well_o of_o christ_n whole_a as_o break_v in_o piece_n second_o the_o exposition_n of_o his_o grace_n not_o consume_v with_o bite_v show_v after_o what_o manner_n he_o understand_v his_o body_n to_o be_v present_a namely_o by_o spiritual_a grace_n not_o by_o corporal_a substance_n therefore_o all_o sander_n jangle_v of_o sign_n and_o figure_n be_v to_o no_o purpose_n for_o when_o he_o have_v prate_v what_o he_o can_v a_o sign_n shall_v never_o be_v the_o thing_n which_o it_o signify_v nor_o a_o figure_n the_o same_o thing_n that_o it_o figure_v except_o opposite_n may_v agree_v to_o one_o thing_n at_o one_o time_n and_o in_o one_o respect_n for_o to_o use_v his_o own_o foolish_a example_n a_o loaf_n of_o bread_n which_o a_o baker_n set_v out_o to_o signify_v that_o bread_n be_v there_o to_o be_v fold_n although_o it_o be_v of_o that_o kind_n of_o bread_n which_o it_o signify_v to_o be_v in_o the_o house_n in_o great_a quantity_n yet_o it_o be_v not_o that_o same_o bread_n whereof_o it_o be_v the_o sign_n no_o more_o be_v the_o sacrament_n that_o same_o thing_n whereof_o it_o be_v a_o sign_n and_o yet_o a_o assure_a testimony_n that_o the_o thing_n signify_v be_v give_v to_o our_o soul_n and_o faith_n as_o certeine_o as_o the_o sign_n to_o our_o body_n but_o because_o augustine_n say_v except_o you_o eat_v my_o flesh_n be_v word_n figurative_a saunder_n will_v reason_v thus_o as_o cunning_o i_o warrant_v you_o as_o any_o collier_n in_o cambridge_n or_o oxford_n the_o eat_n of_o christ_n flesh_n and_o drink_n of_o his_o blood_n be_v real_a deade_n which_o must_v be_v perform_v in_o christ_n supper_n and_o yet_o be_v call_v for_o good_a respect_n figurat_fw-la 〈…〉_o e_o word_n must_v needs_o be_v figure_n of_o somewhat_o and_o the_o deed_n and_o word_n be_v refer_v to_o the_o supper_n must_v needs_o betoken_v somewhat_o as_o they_o be_v consider_v but_o the_o eat_n of_o the_o flesh_n in_o christ_n supper_n can_v betoken_v nothing_o at_o all_o except_o his_o flesh_n be_v there_o eat_v the_o eat_a whereof_o may_v be_v the_o ground_n of_o this_o betoken_v therefore_o these_o word_n import_v of_o necessity_n that_o in_o christ_n supper_n the_o flesh_n of_o christ_n be_v real_o eat_v and_o his_o blood_n be_v real_o dr●nken_a for_o the_o flesh_n of_o christ_n can_v not_o be_v make_v the_o figure_n of_o bakery_n bread_n etc._n etc._n o_o what_o whistle_n and_o hiss_v will_v be_v in_o the_o sophister_n school_n if_o such_o a_o argument_n come_v among_o they_o which_o reason_v joint_o of_o thing_n to_o be_v divide_v augustine_n say_v the_o word_n be_v figurative_a &_o not_o the_o deed_n of_o eat_v &_o drink_v which_o be_v signify_v by_o the_o word_n except_o you_o eat_v etc._n etc._n the_o word_n i_o say_v of_o eat_v and_o drink_v of_o the_o flesh_n and_o blood_n of_o christ_n be_v figurative_a betoken_v another_o thing_n than_o they_o sound_v in_o common_a and_o proper_a understanding_n and_o what_o they_o signify_v he_o show_v the_o communication_n with_o the_o passion_n of_o christ_n and_o profitable_a remembrance_n of_o his_o death_n which_o as_o they_o be_v represent_v in_o the_o supper_n so_o may_v we_o eat_v and_o drink_v his_o flesh_n and_o blood_n without_o the_o sacrament_n by_o faith_n and_o work_n of_o god_n spirit_n but_o say_v saunder_n if_o the_o eat_n of_o christ_n flesh_n be_v not_o the_o figure_n the_o word_n except_o you_o eat_v my_o flesh_n be_v not_o figurative_a see_v you_o not_o how_o this_o fond_a sophister_n confound_v the_o distinction_n which_o he_o himself_o before_o have_v make_v of_o figurative_a speech_n and_o figure_n of_o thing_n themselves_o between_o rhetorical_a figure_n and_o sacramental_a figure_n i_o say_v the_o spiritual_a eat_n which_o be_v the_o communication_n with_o his_o passion_n etc._n etc._n be_v not_o a_o figure_n but_o that_o which_o be_v understand_v by_o those_o figurative_a word_n except_o you_o eat_v the_o flesh_n etc._n etc._n and_o although_o there_o may_v be_v a_o real_a eat_n to_o warn_v we_o of_o spiritual_a eat_n yet_o that_o spiritual_a eat_n which_o saint_n augustine_n call_v communicate_v with_o the_o passion_n of_o christ_n etc._n etc._n may_v be_v without_o the_o sacrament_n and_o so_o be_v augustine_n discharge_v of_o sanders_n sophistry_n but_o now_o he_o will_v discover_v the_o error_n of_o the_o sacramentary_n in_o expound_v these_o word_n the_o first_o be_v that_o they_o make_v the_o word_n of_o christ_n to_o be_v figurative_a only_o passive_o whereas_o they_o be_v also_o figurative_a active_o but_o how_o i_o pray_v you_o be_v the_o word_n figurative_a active_o he_o answer_v the_o actual_a eat_n of_o christ_n flesh_n be_v not_o only_o say_v to_o be_v figure_v but_o also_o be_v teach_v to_o be_v a_o figure_n itself_o of_o another_o spiritual_a eat_n if_o saunder_n be_v as_o ignorant_a as_o his_o argument_n be_v absurd_a he_o be_v the_o most_o notable_a ass_n that_o ever_o write_v in_o divinity_n but_o i_o impute_v it_o not_o to_o ignorance_n but_o to_o malicious_a deceitfullnes_n that_o he_o confound_v word_n and_o deed_n and_o reason_v thus_o the_o word_n be_v figurative_a active_o because_o the_o deed_n be_v figurative_a active_o which_o be_v such_o a_o monster_n as_o sophistry_n never_o breed_v a_o great_a and_o what_o proof_n have_v you_o of_o this_o actual_a eat_n of_o christ_n flesh_n to_o be_v a_o figure_n active_o of_o spiritual_a eat_n nothing_o but_o a_o mangle_a place_n of_o ambrose_n 〈◊〉_d 1._o
of_o christ._n jewel_n emissenus_fw-la say_v christ_n be_v present_a by_o his_o grace_n sand._n you_o have_v put_v a_o false_a nominative_a case_n it_o be_v victima_fw-la the_o oblation_n which_o be_v present_a in_o grace_n fulke_n and_o what_o be_v the_o substance_n of_o that_o eternal_a sacrifice_n but_o christ_n for_o the_o action_n you_o confess_v to_o be_v utter_o pass_v jewel_n saint_n augustine_n say_v christ_n be_v present_a in_o we_o by_o his_o spirit_n sand._n that_o be_v true_a when_o he_o be_v in_o we_o by_o his_o flesh_n fulk_n it_o be_v his_o spirit_n that_o make_v his_o flesh_n present_a to_o we_o after_o a_o wonderful_a manner_n jewel_n you_o shall_v not_o eat_v this_o body_n that_o you_o see_v it_o be_v a_o certain_a sacrament_n that_o i_o deliver_v you_o sand._n the_o word_n of_o s._n augustine_n be_v i_o have_v commend_v or_o set_v forth_o fulke_n to_o commend_v or_o set_v forth_o be_v to_o deliver_v in_o doctrine_n sand._n that_o which_o be_v commend_v at_o capernaum_n be_v only_o the_o same_o flesh_n which_o die_v for_o we_o therefore_o that_o flesh_n must_v be_v deliver_v not_o in_o a_o visible_a manner_n but_o yet_o in_o truth_n of_o give_v by_o body_n &_o take_v by_o body_n fulke_n that_o give_v and_o take_v by_o body_n saint_n au_o gustine_n deni_v in_o the_o person_n of_o christ_n you_o shall_v not_o eat_v this_o body_n that_o you_o see_v nor_o drink_v that_o blood_n which_o shall_v be_v shed_v it_o be_v a_o sacrament_n or_o mystery_n which_o i_o have_v commend_v unto_o you_o which_z being_z sp_z 〈…〉_o itual_o understand_v shall_v quicken_v you_o sand._n in_o deed_n m._n jewel_n christ_n deliver_v his_o flesh_n as_o well_o at_o capernaum_n as_o at_o his_o supper_n by_o your_o doctrine_n but_o not_o so_o by_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o gospel_n fulke_n the_o gospel_n say_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d except_o you_o do_v eat_v the_o flesh_n of_o the_o son_n of_o man_n and_o do_v drink_v his_o blood_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d you_o have_v not_o now_o life_n in_o you_o christ_n speak_v in_o the_o present_a temps_fw-fr but_o how_o can_v they_o eat_v his_o flesh_n and_o drink_v his_o blood_n that_o they_o may_v have_v life_n except_o he_o do_v then_o deliver_v his_o flesh_n as_o well_o as_o at_o his_o supper_n for_o many_o of_o they_o may_v die_v before_o the_o institution_n of_o his_o supper_n again_o he_o say_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n he_o which_o do_v eat_v my_o flesh_n &_o which_o do_v drink_v my_o blood_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d have_v now_o life_n everlasting_a and_o i_o will_v raise_v he_o up_o in_o the_o last_o day_n for_o my_o flesh_n be_v very_o meat_n &_o my_o blood_n be_v very_o drink_v how_o be_v it_o very_o meat_n and_o drink_v when_o he_o speak_v if_o no_o man_n may_v eat_v and_o drink_v it_o before_o his_o supper_n again_o he_o which_o do_v eat_v my_o flesh_n and_o which_o do_v drink_v my_o blood_n do_v abide_v in_o i_o and_o i_o in_o he_o how_o can_v this_o be_v verify_v in_o the_o present_a temps_fw-fr so_o often_o repete_v except_o christ_n do_v at_o that_o present_a time_n deliver_v his_o flesh_n and_o blood_n to_o be_v eat_v of_o all_o that_o believe_v and_o offer_v the_o same_o to_o all_o that_o hear_v he_o wherefore_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o gospel_n be_v agreeable_a to_o that_o which_o master_n jewel_n teach_v and_o direct_o contrary_a to_o master_n sanders_n doctrine_n that_o christ_n deliver_v not_o his_o flesh_n and_o blood_n to_o be_v eat_v &_o drunken_a before_o his_o supper_n but_o only_o promise_v they_o at_o capernaum_n jew._n thus_o the_o holy_a father_n say_v christ_n be_v present_a not_o corporal_o sand._n both_o s._n cyrill_n and_o s._n hilary_n have_v the_o word_n corporal_o concern_v the_o sacrament_n fulk_n but_o neither_o of_o both_o say_v that_o christ_n be_v present_a in_o the_o sacrament_n corporal_o i_o 〈…〉_o not_o carnal_o s_o 〈…〉_o s._n hilary_n have_v the_o word_n carnal_o fulk_n you_o play_v mockeholiday_n s._n hilary_n say_v not_o that_o christ_n be_v present_a in_o the_o sacrament_n carnal_o jew._n no_o 〈…〉_o rally_v sand._n s._n ●●larie_o have_v the_o term_n natural_o diverse_a time_n and_o s._n cyrill_n call_v it_o natural_a partake_n and_o natural_a union_n fulk_n neither_o the_o one_o nor_o the_o other_o ever_o say_v that_o christ_n be_v in_o the_o sacrament_n natural_o touch_v the_o natural_a participation_n and_o union_n it_o have_v be_v show_v how_o it_o may_v be_v without_o christ_n be_v present_a natural_o in_o the_o sacrament_n jew._n but_o as_o in_o a_o sacrament_n by_o his_o spirit_n &_o by_o his_o grace_n sand._n here_o appear_v what_o stuff_n you_o have_v feed_v the_o reader_n withal_o in_o your_o whole_a book_n for_o partly_o you_o deny_v a_o truth_n which_o be_v that_o christ_n be_v not_o corporal_o present_a against_o the_o express_a word_n of_o god_n and_o the_o father_n as_o i_o have_v show_v fulk_n and_o yet_o neither_o the_o express_a word_n of_o god_n nor_o any_o of_o the_o father_n have_v this_o sentence_n christ_n be_v corporal_o present_a in_o the_o sacrament_n or_o any_o thing_n equivalent_a to_o it_o sand._n partly_o you_o prove_v that_o your_o heresy_n by_o a_o other_o truth_n which_o rather_o establish_v than_o hinder_v the_o real_a presence_n for_o christ_n can_v be_v better_a present_a in_o spirit_n and_o grace_n then_o if_o he_o be_v present_a in_o his_o flesh_n fulk_n the_o presence_n of_o christ_n by_o his_o spirit_n and_o grace_n exclude_v your_o heresy_n of_o presence_n corporal_o and_o he_o be_v better_a present_n by_o spirit_n and_o grace_n whereby_o he_o tarry_v in_o we_o for_o ever_o then_o by_o your_o imagine_a presence_n of_o his_o body_n in_o which_o you_o confess_v he_o to_o tarry_v but_o a_o short_a time_n no_o not_o in_o they_o that_o receive_v the_o sacrament_n most_o worthy_o your_o conclusion_n be_v for_o the_o most_o part_n but_o a_o repetition_n of_o such_o cavil_n slander_n and_o rail_n as_o you_o have_v use_v throughout_o the_o book_n deserve_v no_o several_a answer_n partly_o because_o the_o great_a part_n of_o they_o be_v answer_v already_o and_o partly_o because_o both_o they_o and_o the_o rest_n contain_v nothing_o but_o general_a accusation_n without_o any_o special_a argument_n to_o prove_v they_o as_o for_o that_o you_o make_v boast_v that_o you_o have_v pr_v 〈…〉_o every_o one_o of_o your_o book_n whether_o i_o have_v a_o 〈…〉_o ough_o brief_o yet_o sufficient_o confute_v or_o no_o i_o commit_v to_o the_o judgement_n of_o indifferent_a reader_n god_n be_v praise_v bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fuke_n bristol_n ●fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n f_o 〈…〉_o bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n ●ulk●_n bristol_n fulk●_n bristol_n ●●lke_v bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fu●ke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristo_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristow●_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristow●_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulk_n 〈…〉_o ambros._n de_fw-fr sacralib_n 1._o cap._n 1._o bristol_n fulke_n bristol_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n ●ulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n ser._n 6._o de_fw-la jei●_fw-la 7._o man_n saunder_n fulke_n esay_n 9_o saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n full_a 〈…〉_o saunder_n fulk_n saunder_n fulk_n saunder_n fulk_n saunder_n fulk_n saunder_n fulke_o saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_o saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n sande●_n fulke_o sand._n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulk_n saunder_n fulk_n saunder_n fulk_n saunder_n fulk_n cont._n dua●_n epist_n pel._n lib._n 2._o cap._n 4._o saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulk_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n 〈◊〉_d saunder_n f●lke_v saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulk_n saunder_n fulk_n saunder_n fulk_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulk_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulk_n saunder_n fulk_n sanden_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n saunder_n fulk_n sande_n fulke_n saunder_n fulk_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulk_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulk_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulk_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulk_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n sande●_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulk_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulk_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulk_n saunder_n fulke_n 3._o reg._n 17._o 3._o reg._n 19_o saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n 〈…〉_o der_fw-ge fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n ●ander_n ●ulk_n saunder_n fulke_n sande●_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulk_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulk_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulke_n saunder_n fulk_n saunder_n fulke_n