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A87231	The Quakers quaking: or, the foundation of their deceit shaken, by scripture, reason, their own mouthes at several conferences. By all which will appear, that their quaking, ministery, doctrine, and lives, is a meer deceit, and themselves proved to be the great impostors of these latter times: / by Jeremiah Ives.	Ives, Jeremiah, fl. 1653-1674.	1656 (1656)	Wing I1103; Thomason E883_3; ESTC R207296	36,620	64

and yet you are so impudent as to say That None can come but they that come to perfection The fourteenth Errour is 14 Error That James Nayler in his book call'd Love to the Lost p. 23 speaking of the Lords Supper saith That at all seasons whensoever they eat or drink they were to have communion with the Body and Blood of the Lord in their eating and drinking though it were at the Gentiles or Unbelievers Table alluding to that place of Scripture 1 Cor. 10.27 And another of them in a Book of theirs call'd Truths Defence against refined Subtilty pag. 100. calls a man Carnal Sot for asking whether Paul did administer the Lords Supper with Bread and Wine and thereupon demands Whether the Apostles did give to the Corinthians Bread and Wine The fifteenth Errour is That James Parnel in his Book call'd A Shield of Truth hath these words viz. That he denies all Baptism but that of the holy Ghost and Fire See page 12. Another of them in a Book call'd Truths Defence against refined Subtilty hath these words he being asked Whether Christ did command his Disciples to baptize with water or whether they did baptize with water he answers That the querent had shewed his subtilty in being ignorant of the Letter alluding to that place Matth. 28.19 But I demand Why these perfect men cannot speak perfect sense for what subtilty is it for a man to be ignorant yet he tells his querent he hath shewed his subtilty in being ignorant But to the thing it self viz. That there is no baptism but that of the Spirit and Fire when as the Scripture tells us of a baptism with water which is also required of them that do believe But to evade the force of the Scriptures that speak in the behalf of water-baptism they use to say That water-baptism did end when other Ceremonies of the Law ended but after the Resurrection of Christ it was not to be practised To which I answer That it was by Christ commanded after that he rose from the dead See Mat. 28. and Mark 16.16 But if any shall say This was to baptize with the Holy Ghost I demand First Whether that this baptism was not peculiar to Christ himself as appears by John's words Matth. 3.11 HE meaning Christ shall baptize with the holy Ghost and fire Secondly Whether that if the command of Mat. 28. and Mark 16. be for to command the Apostles to baptize with the holy Ghost and fire they did ever obey it if they did shew when and where Thirdly Whether we may not judge that the baptizing men and women in water in the Name of Christ which the Apostles frequently did was not in obedience to some Commission they had received from their Lord If so Fourthly Do you shew us where and when their Lord gave them a command so to do if this of Mat. 28. and Mark 16. was not it If you shall say They did it in order to the peoples weaknesses as Paul's circumcising Timothy was then I demand Fifthly Whether Paul did in the Name of the Lord Jesus impose Circumcision upon Timothy if not How doth this parallel with the case in hand viz. water-baptism which Peter Acts 10. doth command in the Name of the Lord But if you shall say That baptism with water was not commanded but left to liberty I demand Sixthly Whether to command a thing to be done in the Lords Name which he commands not be not to sin take his Name in vain See to this purpose Deut. 18.20 But the Prophet that shall presume to speak a word in my Name which I have not commanded him to speak c. even the same Prophet shall dye Seventhly And whereas it is alledged That water-baptism is a thing of indifferency that may be done or lawfully left undone I demand Whether it was not then as great a sin in Peter Acts 10. to command the doing of it in the Name of the Lord as it was for men to forbid to marry or to command to abstain from meats 1 Tim. 4.2 3. seeing that to command the doing of that which God hath left to liberty is a sin of equal extent with the forbidding of that he hath left to liberty Eighthly But if it shall be said as sometimes it is That they in the Primitive Times did receive water-baptism because they had a command immediately so to do and therefore we are not to be baptized till so commanded I answer First how will this be proved that all they that were then-baptized were so commanded is not the contrary to this easily made manifest from Acts 2. and Acts 8. and many other places where the people were mediately by means of the Apostles preaching put upon this duty and not by extraordinary Revelations But to the main Question and that is this Whether or no that this very Principle doth not lay all other Precepts waste and excuse the observance of them till I am immediately inspired thereto I believe if a man did owe a Quaker a sum of money he would be loth to be served as he would have men serve Christ As for instance Suppose I did owe James Nayler a sum of money and he should desire me to pay him and should urge this Scripture Owe nothing to any man as an argument to perswade me to pay him what if I should say It is true James this was a command to them that could witness it in themselves and when by an immediate power they were inspired to the observance of it then they were to do it but till then they did not sin in omitting of it and therefore when I can witness this Text within me I will pay thee thy money Do you think they would count this fair dealing yet in this manner would they have men deal with the commands of our Lord Jesus and the truth of it is this evasion of the command of baptism doth as forcibly evade all other Precepts in the whole Bible By this the Reader may see that these men would make the commands of God of none effect by their tradition The sixteenth Errour that I shall insist upon is 16 Error That though they say they are perfect yet they are inconsistent with themselves as appears First in as much as they make it their daily practice to preach That every man in the world hath a light within him according to that Text John 1. And yet one of their Scribes asketh a Minister of the Nation Whether he had that light which doth lighten every one that comes into the world * See for this a book of theirs cal'd Truths defence p. 3 Oh horrible blindness Did ever any man in his right wits ever ask such a question having over and over asserted that every man hath that light spoken of John 1 and yet to ask a man Whether he hath that light spoken of John 1. Surely this man did not understand that the party of whom he demanded the

THE QUAKERS QVAKING OR The Foundation of their Deceit shaken BY SCRIPTURE REASON Their own MOUTHES at several Conferences By all which will appear That their QUAKING MINISTERY DOCTRINE and LIVES is a meer Deceit And themselves proved to be the great Impostors of these Latter Times By JEREMIAH IVES Matth. 24. ● 5. And Jesus answered and said unto them Take heed that no man deceive you For many shall come in my Name saying I am Christ and shall deceive many Rom. 16.18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ but their own belly and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple Prov. 14.15 The simple believeth every word but the wise man looketh well to his goings Job 6.25 How forcible are right words but what do your arguings reprove 1 Tim. 1.7 That desire to be Teachers of the Law understanding neither what they say nor whereof they affirm London Printed by J Cottrel for R. Moon at the Seven Stars in S. Pauls Church-yard 1656. To the Churches of the Lord Jesus Christ that are called to be faithful and that are baptized into his Name and meet together in his fear to stand for that faith that was once delivered to the Saints BRETHREN I Know none to whom these ensuing lines will be more welcome then to you because you are the men about whom Satan hath laid his closest siege and levied his greatest force I therefore thought it my duty to send to you some relief and if Possible to raise the siege that hath for a long time been laid against you by the great and subtile Adversaries to your Faith and Order which the Lord help you to continue in that so you may be terrible as an Army with banners and that you may so be it shall be my daily request to the Lord on your behalf that love and unity may increase among you that you may all minde one thing that so the Adversary may have no occasion given him to spoil you of your joy and rejoycing in the confidence that you have in Christ Jesus For when you shall divide and separate one from another and have bitter envyings among your selves rendings and tearings of the Body of Christ upon offences given or taken by some particular person or for some particular Opinion doth not this if I may use the phrase make the daughters of the Uncircumcised rejoyce and say How are the Mighty fallen even you that were once valiant for the Truth will they not say What are you become like us Therefore for the Lords sake let the bond of love and holiness be kept inviolable by you all that so you may be preserved from falling into the gulfs of Apostacy that many in these latter times have fallen into And that you may so be kept let me intreat you to keep high and honorable thoughts of the Scriptures let none of the words of our dear Lord Jesus slip out of your minde have a care of sucking in such Principles that will impair the Credit and Authority of Gods Words as That the Scriptures are not the Word of God and That the Light within you is of equal or better Authority and That it doth teach us how to Worship God without the Scriptures And prize the Ordinances of God and remember what a blessed thing it is for Christians to meet often together and to think often upon Gods laws and be frequent in the observance of them in a time when men say What profit is it that we have kept his Ordinances knowing that your labour shall not be in vain in the Lord. And those that God bath made your Elders and Overseers say unto them That they take heed to their Ministery left the Lord charge the Souls of them that shall be seduced upon their score and if God hath set such over you that do wake and watch for your souls have them in double honour have a care of slighting them that are your Watchmen left the Lord remove them from you into corners and you be left as a City forsaken for the wilde Beasts of the field and Boars of the forest to prey upon from which the Lord deliver you Oh therefore that you would every one in your places and callings watch and pray that you enter not into the temptations of these times especially these Quaking temptations that like the snares of the Fowlers are spread in all corners of the Nation and remember that you are for your lives that so you may escape the snare of the Devil into which many are led captive and are taken at his will and that you might be the better acquainted with his wyles I have presented you with a few of their snares that you might know how to escape them if they shall spread them before you And I doubt not but if you shall carefully observe and seriously examine the Truth of what is here proposed you will be throughly furnished to withstand these subtile Adversaries at every turn and preserve your selves from falling unto his heavenly Kingdom which shall be the Prayers of him who is willing to bow his knee for you all to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ Jeremiah Ives To the Impartial READER of what Opinion soever READER I Shall desire no more savour from thee then to reade and judge whether what follows be not conclusive both from Scripture Reason and the mens own words again st whom I write as will appear by the several Conferences that I have had with them as also from their several Writings to which I shall refer thee if thou wilt take pains to search into them By which thou shalt see that this deceitful generation with whom I strive and whose deceit my pen hath been in travel to bring forth to the worlds view are such whose mouthes are full of great swelling and lying words saying They are immediately sent of God c. And when they are put to prove it can say no more then what others can say whom themselves cry down for Antichristian Nay there is many whom they daily cry down that can say more for their authority to Preach then themselves though they will not boast of their immediate sending and their mouthes are not onely stuft with such big-swelling words but their books also especially in the Title-pages of them as one calling his Book Love to the Loft another A Salutation to the seed of God another A discovery of the wisdome from beneath another The Power and Glory of God shining out of the North another The Royal Law and Covenant of God another News out of the North written from the mouth of God another The Vials of the Wrath of God pured upon the Seat of the Man of Sin another A Warning from the Lord to the Teacher and People another A true prophesie of the mighty Day of the Lord another A Trumpet from the Lord founded out of Sion another A VVhirlwind of the Lord gone forth

as a Flying fiery Roll another The Shield of Truth c. By these great bushes they call the simple in to drink of their adulterated Wine which is but as the Wine of Sodom and as the Grapes of Gomorrha These are the Out-cries by which they call the simple to drink of the wine of their Spiritual Fornications For I challenge any of them all to make it appear that any one of these Titles mere given these Pamphlets by him whom they intitle to them And therefore good Reader consider these following lines and what shall be found true imbrace though it be not bumbasted with the feigned words of them who would make merchandize of your Souls and slight it not in any thing wherein it speaks Scripture or right Reason though with some neither are of weight which is all that is desired from thy Friend JER IVES The QVAKERS Quaking OR The Foundation of their Deceipt shaken both in their Quakings Doctrines Ministerie and Lives IF ever the My stery of Iniquity or Iniquity in a mystery did work in the hearts and mindes of men or if ever the devil did manage a Designe under ground surely be doth it now by the men called QUAKERS who like so many Apes do imitate many of the Faithful in some circumstances that they may the better deceive in matters that are most substantial And this through the help of God I shall make appear by shewing that their Quaking and their Doctrine Ministery and Lives is a meer deceit And first I shall speaking somewhat touching their Quaking and therein I shall first speak something touching their Name and secondly something touching their Practice viz. Quaking and the Scriptures they urge in favour to such a practice I Shall in the first place speak to that Name or Title by which they are known to the world viz. QUAKERS In this they would make men believe they are nick-named as appears in a book of James Nayler's called The discovery of the first wisdom from beneath where in the Title-page he subscribes himself One whom the world scornsully nick-names and calls Quaker Again in another book of his called The power and glory of the Lord shining out of the North in the title-page he subscribes himself One whom Ishmael's brood calls a Quaker I could bring many instances of this kind to shew how they would make men believe they are greatly wronged when they are distinguished from other men by this term Quakers Now see their deceit they say Ishmael's Brood and the world calls them so and yet they take paines to prove themselves so see page 16 and 17 of the last fore-mentioned Book he saith But search the Scriptures and holy men of God do witness quaking and trembling See likewise Parnel's Shield of Truth p. 1. and a Book of theirs called Sauls Errand to Damasew p. 32. It being asked by a Justice How it came to pass that people quake and tremble James Nayler answered that the Scriptures witness the same condition in the Saints formerly c. Now pray observe the Christians of old were never offended at that which the Scriptures did witness them to be as for instance the Scripture calls them believers because they believed disciples because they had learned Saints because they were holy and they that prayed were called a praying people Now where do the Saints of old anywhere call these Nick-names when they were call'd according to what they either believed or practised Is it any more a Nick-name to call a man a Quaker that quakes by the power of God if that be true that they say then to call a righteous man a righteous man that is made righteous by the power of God or is it any more a Nick-name to call a man a Quaker that witnesses to quaking and owns it then it is to call a man a Christian that witnesses to Christ and owns him I believe a man may deridingly be call'd a Christian as doubtless some of these are call'd Quakers and so many are deridingly call'd Saints and holy men yet these are no Nick-names if they are so the people in captivity were deridingly bid to sing one of Sion's songs yet these were not Nick-names to those songs By this you may see that they are Lyers in saying that they are Nick-named Quakers when themselves say they witness quaking and though themselves witness quaking yet they say that they are Ishmael's brood that calls them so But I pray tell me if a man be frequently found in railing whether this be a Nick-name to call him a Railer In like maner if these people as themselves confess do frequently quake what Nick-name is it to call them Quakers But now to their Scriptures alleadged for quaking shaking and trembling it is true that some good men do say thus of themselves as Heb. 12.21 Ezek. 12.18 Jer. 33.9 Acts 9.6 Psal 119.6 and many other places To all which I answer first This doth not prove that all were good that did quake and tremble for the devils were quakers and tremblers James 2.19 Again good men made use of Scriptures to exhort and instruct yet some do make use of them to deceive and tempt as the devil did Christ Matth. 4.6 In like manner may Deceivers fall into quaking fits that so they may ho●●●●me resemblance with the servants of God that did tremble for fear of God though the fear of God be departed from them for the devil many times and his ministers that they may the better effect their deceits do transform themselves into the likeness of the ministers and servants of Christ 2. None of the Saints of old did ever foam at mouth in this their trembling but some of you do as many are able to witness and as your selves cannot deny When it was objected against you in the Westmoreland-Petition that your practces did exceedingly savor of Sorcery because of the swellings quakings and roarings and foamings that were among you at your meetings but especially of young children you deny no part of the Charge in your Answer but Blasphemy and Sorcery by which it plainly appears that swellings and foamings could not be denyed else you would as well have replyed to that as Blasphemy and Sorcery For this see their Book in answer to the West morland-Petition p. 35. where they make no reply to foaming and swelling though it is charged upon them to be in yong children as well as old folks Whereupon I demand Whether any of the Saints of old ever foamed at mouth when they trembled 2. Whether any young children did ever foam at mouth quake swell and tremble in the Saints meetings 3. Whether such kinde of trembling that is accompanied with foamings do not rather argue a man to be possess'd with the devil then with the Spirit of God according to that of Luke 9.39 Lastly Whether this be a good Argument viz. Some of the Saints did quake and that by the impulse of the Spirit of God Therefore every one that quakes