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A85542 Christians liberty to the Lords table, discovered by eight arguments, therby proving, that the Sacrament of the body and blood of our Lord, doth as well teach to grace, as strengthen and confirm grace, and so is common, as well to the outward Christian as to the inward Christian: occasioned by the contrary doctrine, taught by a strange minister in Woolchurch, on the 29th of June last. / By I.G a parishioner there. Imprimatur, James Cranford. Graunt, John, of Bucklersbury. 1645 (1645) Wing G1589; Thomason E296_30; ESTC R200217 18,658 23

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Sacrament of the Lords Supper doth not teach to the begetting of faith for that is the proper office of the Word alone Rom. 10. 17. so then saith the Apostle Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God and therefore not by the Sacrament c. My Replication to his first Answer In my affirming that the bread and wine the signes of the Lords Body and Blood do teach grace where it is not as well as confirme grace where it is I do not therein deny that faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God but I affirm that the same Word is also taught and preached by the Sacrament For the Text hee alledgeth doth not say as he affirmeth that it is the office of the Word alone but these are the Apostles words so then faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God Now we must observe that the term faith hath divers acceptations in the Scriptures and for the clearing this point I will observe but two distinctions First as it is referred to God the Creator and secondly as it hath respect to Jesus Christ the Saviour and in both these respects the heart is as truly taught by the eye by seeing Gods works as by the ear through hearing Gods Word The first distinction is fully proved by the Apostle Rom. 1. 19. 20. because that which may be known of God is manifest in them that is to mankinde for God saith Hee hath shewed it unto them for the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are cleerly seen being understood by the things that are made even his eternall power and Godhead so that they are without excuse And that holy man Job of whom God himself testifies that hee was his servant he was wel acquainted with this truth Job 12. 7 8. But ask now saith he the beasts and they shall teach thee and the fowles of the aire and they shall tell thee or speak unto the earth and it shall teach thee and the fishes of the Sea shall declare unto thee And again two Apostles Paul and Barnabas give in evidence to this truth at Lystra saying Acts 14. 17. Neverthelesse he that is God left not himself without witnesse in that hee did good and gave us rain from heaven and fruitfull seasons filling our hearts with food and gladnesse and again St Paul Rom. 2. 4. Or despisest thou the riches of his goodnesse and forbearance and long-suffering not knowing that the goodnesse of God leadeth thee to repentance that is to return to God And for the further proof of this the Prophet David is very ample and large Psal. 19. Day unto day uttereth speech and night unto night sheweth that is declareth or preacheth knowledge there is no speech nor language where their voyce is not heard And secondly that faith in Jesus Christ is taught visibly by the eye as audibly by the eare the Scriptures do as clearly and plainly declare also for thus did all the shadowes under the Law visibly and openly teach and preach Christ as the Sacraments under the Gospel and this was the only objection of the Nonconformists ever since King Edward the sixth his time that none but God could put or impose upon his Church teaching signes or ceremonies and such teaching signes Sacraments or shadows was circumcision the Paschall Lamb and all other ceremonies before Christ And so saith the Apostle Col. 2. 16 17. Meats and drinks Holy dayes and new Moons or Sabbath dayes were a shadow of things to come but the body is of Christ so also the Sanctuary the gifts and sacrifices and the Priesthood under the Law serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things Heb. 9. And as Jesus Christ was thus visibly taught by the eye to the heart under the Law so he is more clearly taught preached and set forth by the two Sacraments of Baptisme and the Lords Supper now under the Gospell which do as visibly manifest him as the Word doth audibly and as the Rainbow in the clouds when it appeareth to the eye doth certainly teach the heart Gods perpetuall faithfulnesse in his promise so the visible signes of Christs Body and Blood in the Sacrament and are a lively ample visible Sermon to us of Christs death and passion his giving himself for mans salvation and do teach and instruct us to grace and mercy by Jesus Christ as truly as the Word preached so that now it is cleer by what hath been proved that if the visible creatures teach the same truth in their measure that the audible creatures do then so doth also the bread and wine set apart to be received that Christs death may be commemorated and they therein declare and preach also in their measure the word of Grace and promise the new and living way to life by the body of Christ which shal be further opened by my Replication to his Answer of the third Argument And by the way take notice that this my first Argument is the same in effect that Mr. Perkins laies down in his fifth Principle where hee makes the means to attain faith to be the Sacrament as well as the Word and Prayer and so also in the Directory pag. 52. in these words And we are to give thanks to God for all means of grace the Word and Sacraments His Answer to my second Argument The second Argument hee denyed also and gave no Answer to the first Scripture Gal. 3. 1. but to the second Text 1 Cor. 1. 23 24. where the Apostle saith Wee preach Christ crucified unto the Jews a stumbling block and unto the Greeks foolishnesse but to them that are called of God both Jewes and Greeks Christ the power of God and the wisdome of God in which words saith hee the Apostle doth not prove that Christ crucified doth convert Jews and Greeks but that he is to one a stumbling blocke and to the other foolishnesse but in the next verse to them that are called of God both Jews and Greeks Christ the power of God and the wisdome of God so that hee affirmed this Scripture is nothing at all to my Argument thus or to this effect as my memory serves me was his Answer My Reply to his second Answer A man can never preach truly that doth not distinguish of termes that differ rightly for in these two verses the Apostle speaks of Jewes and Greeks in a twofold notion that is of both nations of such as were cast away and reprobate as also of such in both nations as were ordained and elected to eternall life to the first the preaching of Christ crucified proved through their own wickednesse and opposing the truth to the one nation foolishnes to the other people a stumbling block which notwithstanding the same doctrine to the elected part of both nations through Gods grace working their hearts to receive it became to them the power of God and the wisdome of God to their salvations And although the elect are here
not at all disabled for this sense is not strained but true and proper His Answer to my seventh Argument It was to this purpose that hee made two exceptions against this Argument First against the conclusion that hee never heard before of a carnall Christian for saith hee the Apostle in Rom. 2. 28 29. speaks of a carnall Jew under the Law and of a spirituall Jew under the Gospel but never saith he have I heard before of a carnall Christian And in the second place he said that by his Argument he would have all men admitted to the Sacrament all without exception fooles idiots and mad-men nay little children and all for children were admitted to the Passeover by the place hee alledges saith he Exod. 12. 47. therefore I pray behold the weaknesse and sillinesse of this Argument these or the like were his words My Reply to his seventh Answer First for your exception against the terme carnall Christian I wonder you should be so ignorant of the Scripture and yet take upon you to be a Teacher for to be carnall is to be in the flesh and doth not the Apostle in one word resolve the question Gal. 4. 29. But as hee that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the spirit even so is it now that is in the Apostles time and ever since also as in all the seven Churches of Asia and in the Church of Corinth 1 Cor. 3. 3. Are ye not carnall saith the Apostle and also amongst us at this time for one spirituall Christian there is ninety nine carnall and in the flesh and for you to expound Rom. 2. 28. to be a carnall Jew under the Law and vers. 29. to be a spirituall Jew under the Gospel you have thereby written a monument of your ignorance for look back to the 14 15 26. and 27. verses and they will shew you the meaning but those truths are beyond your capacity You also say I argue weakly and ignorantly to argue from the liberty of the Passeover to the liberty of the Lords Supper for you say if that be so then fooles and ideots mad-men and children may be admitted but this is your simple and weak inference and not mine for reade again and you shal see that mine was this if carnall men as wel as spirituall men were admitted to the Passeover then carnall men as well as spirituall might be admitted to the Sacrament and the reason is because they are both signes of the same substance agreeing with the Apostles doctrine They did all eate the same spirituall meat and drink● the same spirituall drink and that rock was Christ to them under their shadowes 1 Cor. 10. 3 4. and so it is Christ to us under our Sacraments 1 Cor. 10. 16. 17. and this St. Paul preacheth for truth 1 Cor. 5. 7. it being the very substance of my argument Christ our Passeover is crucified or slain for us saith the Apostle of whom bread and wine are signes under the Gospel as the Paschall Lamb did shadow forth under the Law the same Christ And this Argument you have in no sense answered at all and therefore it stands still proving that carnall Christians as well as spirituall may communicate in the Supper of the Lord His Answer to my eighth Argument This Argument hee seemed to justifie and hee said hee did not intend he shoud be so understood that whosoever delivered the Sacrament to an unregenerated man delivered unto him thereby his damnation for the Sacrament was not so in it self but by reason of mans sin casually or accidentally it might prove so agreeing and making use of my own expressions in the same Argument My Reply to his eighth Answer Let all reasonable men judge whether my Argument be not a true and just consequence from his doctrine he affirming that the damned shall cry out of hell to such Ministers that in their life-time gave them the Sacrament and say in giving them it you gave me my damnation c. wherefore wo be to you in giving mee my confusion and destruction c. Wherefore I advise you hereafter to consider what you should say before you speak and let your tongue be in your heart and not your heart in your tongue for a Scribe instructed unto the Kingdome of God is like a good housholder that bringeth forth of his treasury things new and old And the Messengers of the Lord the Ministers of Christ speak not their own mindes but the minde of God and of Christ as they have received it from above who are as the Apostle saith like good workmen and need not be ashamed rightly dividing the word of truth for as the Sacraments if they be not received for the better but for the worse through our own wickedness and disobedience will aggravate and increase our judgement and condemnation so of the like nature is the Word also which is the chiefest means to beget or attain to grace the Word preached it self through the disobedience of such as heare it proves the savour of death as it is the savour of life to them that believe and obey it 2 Cor. 2. 15 16. Now when hee had read all my arguments and his seeming Answers to them then hee told the people that hee hoped now by this time they had seen that as this Sophister had charged him with ignorance and false doctrine so hee did hope they all saw hee had by his answers proved me both ignorant and false in my Arguments and told the people as before I have intimated if any man pleased for their further satisfaction they should have copies of them whereupon some dissenting neighbours not well affected to mee nor well acquainted with the truth did cause a note to be put up to him by the Clerk to this effect That some of the Congregation desired him to name the man publikely to which hee answered at the first sight thereof I am said he intreated to do that which I would not willingly do for it is not an evill thing in any man to make objections but honourable but presently he audibly declared my name saying hee is a man whom I know not whereupon many that wanted both charity and understanding laughed and whispered together manifesting contempt and scorn by nodding their heads and by many other dumb-shews breaking out afterwards into words as these and the like words that now he was fully answered and his folly discovered some saying he deserveth to be whipt others that I deserved to be set in the stocks others that I meddled with that which I had nothing to do withall they not knowing the Apostles commandment As every man hath received the gift even so minister the same one to another as good stewards of the manifold grace of God 1 Pet. 4. 10. And one of them to a friend of mine said Is this your friend that you have spoken so much and so well of now you see him discovered to be weake and simple and