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A10699	A Catholicke conference betvveene Syr Tady Mac. Mareall a popish priest of VVaterforde, and Patricke Plaine a young student in Trinity Colledge by Dublin in Ireland VVherein is deliuered the certayne maner of execution that was vsed vpon a popish bishop, and a popish priest, that for seueral matters of treason were executed at Dublin the first of February, now last past. 16ll. Strange to be related, credible to be beleeued, and pleasant to bee perused. By Barnabe Rych, Gent. seruant to the Kinges most excellent Maiestie.	Rich, Barnabe, 1540?-1617.	1612 (1612)	STC 20981; ESTC S115901	41,203	61

him euen by the truth of his and our nature flesh and substance as members of the same body to their head the sacrament is but onely annexed as a signe to the heauenly grace and therefore your imagination of this real presence is odible heresie and your worshipping the elimentes of bread and wine abhominable Idolatry Ta. But tell me Patricke is this the doctrine of your Colledge Pa. No Syr Tady it is the doctrine of Christ that is reade and taught in the Colledge It was pitie that Academe of heresie was euer founded for sith the erection of that paultry school house the Catholicke religion is dispised God is dishonored and our blessed Lady is out of all request throughout the whole Realme of Ireland Pa. O good Syr Tady be not deceiued Ladies were neuer in better request then they be at this day in Dublyne Ta. You are contemners of the Catholicke religion in your not adoring the blessed sacrament you dishonor God Pa. I wonder from whence you doe fetch your adoration we haue warrant in the scriptures to take and eate but not to kneele downe and worship Ta. Did not Christ say this is my body Pa He did so but is that all that you haue to say for your worshipping Ta. Doth not your Colledge teach that Christ is alwayes present with vs here on earth Pa. Our Sauiour himselfe hath spoke it Loe I am alwayes present with you till the end of the world Ta. That 's well yet that you are conformable to some thing Pa. His diuinitie no doubt is alwayes present with vs but in his humanitie neyther really locally nor corporally as the papist doth grosly imagine Ta. Are you there againe with your Beares I say if he be present with vs it must needes be corporally and locally comprised in the formes of bread and wine in the blessed sacrament Pa. You make your reall and corporall presence to be a shelter for your errours but that being false as long since hath bin proued what are you then but most odible Idolators Ta. I say that after the wordes of consecration are once spokē by the priest the eliments of bread and wine are presently transubstantiated into the blessed body of Christ really and substantially as he was borne of the virgin Mary and what thinke you now is not the sonne of God worthy to be worshipped Pa. No doubt of it Syr Tady but the sonne of God is worthie of all honor but doe you thinke him to be there indeed in these formes as you haue spoke of Ta. It hath beene so receiued amongst the Catholickes for an vndoubted article for these many hundred yeares Pa. I do aske you Syr Tady in the more ceremonious maner because I haue heard of a madde conceited knight that was an Essex man called by the name of Syr Iohn Raynsforde who in Queene Maries dayes being in the company of Edmond Bonner then Bishop of London who suspecting the knight to be aduerse to their religion would needs vrge him to make manifest to the world what hee did beleeue of the blessed sacrament of the Altar thereby to shew himselfe to be an obedient childe truly legitimate to the Catholicke Church The Knight would giue no other answer but that he beleeued as the Bishop himselfe beleeued and prayed the Bishop to speak truly what he himselfe did thinke in the matter To whom the Bishop answered that he shamed not to make free confession of his faith at all times and in all places And to satisfie your demande sayd the Bishop my beleife is that in the sacrifice of the Masse after the priest hath spoken the wordes of consecration there remayneth no more breade nor wine but the blessed body of Iesus Christ is there really conteined vnder the formes of bread and wine Very well said the knight it is an easie matter for a man to be leeue all this but what else what else what doe you thinke more of that blessed sacrament why quoth the Bishop what should I thinke more then I haue already sayd I thinke that after the words of consecration being spoken by the priest that there remaineth the blessed body of Iesus Christ flesh bloud and bone as he was borne of the virgin Mary The Knight began in a ceremonious manner to protest how his beleife was that after the priest had spoken the words of consecration Hoc est Corpus meum that vnder the formes of bread and wine Christ was there remaining in a suite of Russet Satine a velvit Cap and a feather on his heade a Spanishe Coape on his backe a payre of silke stockinges and a gylt Rapyer Dagger by his side How thinke you now Syr Tady by the knights opinion I promise you for my parte I beleeue the Bishop and him both alike Ta. Haue I all this while listened for such a conclusion but tel me Patricke what became of that knight was he not burned for his heresie Pa. It is more heresie for a man to beleeue that Christ is in the sacrament gentleman-like then for our massing priestes of Ireland to sute themselues in that generous manner euery day when they list Ta. Well Patricke I doe see you are so blinded with presumption and rebellion against the Catholicke Church that you will beleeue nothing but what is pleasing to your owne fantasie Pa. Nay what an absurditie is in you to thinke that Christ is eaten and deuoured by the wicked Christ entereth the soule but not the mouth of man Eate you this is my body Drinke you this is my bloud these speeches cannot be religious except they bee figuratiue for this grosse conceipt of a carnall eating was it that offended the Caperniates in the sixt of Iohn Yet that great fauourer of Popery of England Syr Thomas Moore that Bellarmine so much extolles for his wit and learning doth litterally presse those wordes of Christ against Iohn Fryth in this manner following The very circumstance of the place in the Gospell in which our Sauiour speaketh of that sacrament may well make open the difference of his speeches in this matter and of all the other and that as he spake all those but in an Allegory so spake hee this playnely meaning that he spake of his very body and his very bloud besides all Allegories For when our Lord sayde he was a very Vine and when he sayd he was a doore there was none that hearde him that any thing marueyled thereat And why for because they perceiued wel that he ment not that he was a materiall Vine or doore indeed but when he sayde that his flesh was very meate and his bloud very drinke and that they shoulde not be saued but if they did eate his flesh and drinke his bloud then were they all in such a wonder thereof that they could not abide And wherefore but because they perceiued well by his words and his manner of circumstances that Christ spake of his very flesh and his very bloud Nowe if maister Mores

is enough they both of them ac knowledge a reall presence to the mouth and teeth but nowe comes Bonauenture he affirmeth flatly that he is no lesse present in the stomacke then he is in the mouth marry whether he goes downe to the belly or noe he stands in doubt because of the diuersitie of opinions that are holden and yet he liketh not That the body of Christ should go into the belly of a mouse or be cast forth by the drought And heere hee sheweth a Catholicke reason why Because the eares of well disposed persons would abhorre that and heretickes and Infidels would iest at it and laugh vs to scorne that would defend it But Alexander de Hales in despight of heretickes and infidels both doth confidently affirme that if a dogg or a hogg should eate the wholl consecrated Host is no cause sayth he but the Lordes body should goe there withall into the belly of that dogg or hogg But now amongst the rest blessed Thomas Aquinas that holy Saint doth sharpely reproue those that thinke contrary Some haue sayd sayth he that as soone as the sacrament is taken of a mouse or a dog straight way the body blood of Christ doth cease to be there but this is a derogation to the truth of this Sacrament Pa. But tell mee truth Syr Tady haue you not wronged those Authors that you haue heere named haue you cited their words no other wise then they themselues haue set them downe Ta. Now God and our blessed Lady defend that I shoulde so iniurie them it were a shame for mee to belie them their owne workes are extant and to bee seene and there are a huge swarme of others a wholl sect of Thomistes that doe vphold all these positions enough to make all the protestants that be in Ireland to blush but that they are past shame But amongst the rest and for the better credit to the cause Antonius Arch-Bishop of Florence and Petrus de ṗludo ioyned both together affirming that the body of Christ may not onely bee eaten of a mouse but also it may be vomited vp by the mouth and purged downe to the draught these bee their owne wordes Therefore the body and bloud of Christ remayne in the belly or stomacke or vomit or in whatsoeuer course of nature so long as the shews of bread and wine remaine if they be vomitted or purged before they be altered as sometimes with those that are troubled with the flux euen there is the body of Christ Pa. O peace Syr Tady no more for the shame of your selfe of all the papistes in the worlde bee these the nuttes you haue to cracke O loathsome stuffe vnfitte to be spoken of mine cares doe glow to heare these grosse and barbarous repetitions is this the reall presence that you so much striue for are these the learned authorities which you so highly extoll call you these Saintes that doe teach such filthy and loathsome diuinitie no maruel though you account traytors for martyrs when your Pope hath such cunning to make Saints of blasphemers Ta. I tell thee true that some of these that I haue named are Saints Canonized by the Church of Rome and for the diuinitie they haue taught and spread if it were not sound religious and holy doe you thinke it could passe as it doth ratified confirmed and approued by the mother Church so many yeares vncorrected or vncontrould But I cannot blame ye though you blush you may well bee ashamed to see our holy Masse that so many heretickes doe seeke to impugne howe it is established vpholden and fortified by no meane nor simple authoritie I warrant yee Pa. I see indeed that those that haue no regard of their cōsciēces before God haue lesse care of their credites before men but it is time to giue ouer reasoning with papistes when they seeke out such nuttes as these be for protestants to cracke and some other busines calling me away I will therefore leaue you Ta. Well Patricke then for a parting blowe let me aduise thee yet a little for thine owne good be not obstinate but be ruld by me it shall be for thy benefit Pa. What is it sir Tady to forsake my religion to turn papist Ta. A papist as you cal it but in truth a true christian a●●●cōciled childe to the Catholicke Church thou shalt thereby shewe thy selfe to be a naturall Hibernian where now thou remainest a steine to thy country what an Irishman a protestant it is Rara auis in terris I will tell thee Patricke and I will tell thee truely thou wert better to be reputed a traitor to the King then to be accounted as thou art thus open mouthed against the Pope the one perhaps may find some fewe enemies to prosecute him but the other shall find euery man readie to persecute him Pa. Syr Tady when I meane to turne traytor to the King I will followe your counsayle I will turne papist Ta. And vntill thou dost show thy selfe to be a professed papist indeede thou shalt find little friendshippe in Ireland And so farewell FINIS

of Christ to seeke there saluation in the bloude of a Traytor a seditious wretch that was onely canonyzed by the Pope for his Trayterous demeanure and disobedience to his lawfull prynce I tell you sir Tady you could not hauesought out a fitter fragment whereby to make manyfest the adultrous religion of your whorish church of Rome then this that you haue brought of that traitor Thomas Becket Ta. I thought asmuch before that you would take exceptions to him because he with stood the prynce for the Catholike cause but I hope you wil take no exceptyons to those inuocations that haue beene dedicated to our blessed Lady whereof ther are no small store one amongst the rest O Mariagloriosa c. O Mary glorious in dainties delitious prepare thou glorye for vs. Againe Mariamater Domini c. O Mary the Mother of our Lord the sonne of the eternall God helpe vs all that flie for helpe vnto thee Againe Maria gratia c. O Mary the mother of grace the mother of mercy defend thou vs from our ghostly enemies receiue vs at the houre of death Yet againe Veni Regina gentium c. come Queene of the Gentiles extinguish the fiery heate of our sinnes blot out whatsoeuer is a misse and cause vs to leade an innocent life These and many other that might be named all of them prouing that the inuocation of Saints hath beene both approued and had in vse in the church of Rome and I hope you haue heard of our Ladies Psalter that was printed at Paris almost 100. yeares since where the whole number of the 150 Psalmes are turned from Dominus to Domina quite topsie turuie from our Lord to our Lady Pa. I doe not so much wonder at that Syr Tady when now in the hottest Sunne shine of the Gospell wee see almost euery day whole Lordships to be sould and but to vphold Ladishippes but to speake reuerently of that blessed Virgin for the fruite of whose wombe all generations doe call her blessed her glorie doth not so much consist in the bearing of Christ as in her stedfast faith and beleeuing in Christ which caused her ioyfully to sing My soule doth magnifie the Lord and my spirit hath reioyced in God my Sauiour And therefore what Papistes doe attribute for honour is plaine blasphemie to that blessed Virgin for Christ being our hope and not our Lady they ascribing to her what shee is not doe thereby dishonour God and doe her no worship at all Howe wicked a thing is it then to thinke that the Saintes doe sometimes plague and punishe vs because wee doe them not that superstitious honour which is their dishonour and not onely our shame but also our sinne Ta. I see the repugnancy of our religion to bee such as there is no hope of reconcilement for what wee acknowledge to bee holy that you say is prophane and those rites and ceremonies which wee doe most indeuoure for deuotions sake in the exercise whereof we do seeke our greatest pietie those you condemne to bee superstitious Idolatrous and blasphemous and that our whole religion is nothing else but sacriledge and a dishonouring of God I will therefore reason no further in these matters that I see will not be holpen but tell mee now in the way of goodfellowship did you euer see a priest say Masse Pa. I will neuer deny it Syr Tady I confesse I haue seene a Masse Ta. Then you haue not liued altogether so irreligiously but that you haue once seene a Masse but tell mee truely howe did you like it Pa. O passing well I neuer sawe a thing that better pleased me but once Ta. And what was that one thing that you say pleased you better Pa. It was a Puppet play that was playd at Dubline but nowe this last summer Ta. Then the sight of a Puppet play was better pleasing to you then the sight of a Masse Pa. When your priest hath put on his masking apparell and hath gotten all his trinkets about him if there were an Irish Bag-piper by that had a deepe Drone to play and entertayne the time whilst the priest were in his Memento and had made an ende of all his dumbe showes what with the musicke of the one and the gestures of the other it woulde passe all the Puppet playes in the world Ta. Nowe I am of the like conceipt of your holy communion that is but a prophanation of the blessed Sacrament and no wayes concordable with Christes institution where you neyther receiue the flesh of Christ nor vse adoration Pa. The flesh of Christ is both eaten in the spirit and adored in the spirit yea the very eating of it is adoring of it sith it is not eaten but by beleeuing for hee that beleeueth not eateth not the flesh of Christ. Ta. As though the flesh of Christ were not inclosed in the forme of bread and corporally eaten with the mouth of man Pa. But doth the infidell or vnbeleeuing man receiue Christ so really as you say if he receiue your sacrament Ta. The denyall of it is the high way to all those heresies that are helde by the Protestants and till they beleeue that what doe they but blaspheme the doctrine of the Catholicke Church Pa. And the misconstruction of Christes words is it that leadeth the papistes to their Idolatry Ta. For our misconstruction take you no thought for we are past all feare of that Pa. And those that are past all feare are commonly past all recouery and he is in most danger of death that in an extreamitie of sicknesse feeleth it least Ta. Our intent is to worship Christ wee haue no meaning to worship the elements of bread and wine as you vntruly report but the blessed body of Christ that is conteyned in those accydents of bread and wine Pa. But speake truly Syr Tady doe you adore the bodie of Christ in the misteries by a spirituall vnderstanding or doe you adore the mysteries themselues Ta. Finding him really and corporally in the sacrament there we worship him where we find him Pa. If your zeale bee such to worship Christ in euery place where you find him why doe you not worship the Priest when he hath beene at masse or any other man that is a member of the Church Ta. Doe you thinke that Christ is no otherwise in the Sacrament then he is in a mortall man Pa. I tell thee he is more truly really and naturally in those men that be his members then he is in the elements that be vsed at his table Ta. O blasphemy blasphemy O horrible and shamelesse heresie is any mortall man transubstantiated into Christ as the elimentes are by power of consecration Pa. The wordes of Saint Paul 2. Corin. 13. Know yee not your selues that Christ is in you except ye be reprobate persons Away now with your transubstantiating the elimentes into Christ the sacrament is no part of the mistycall body of Christ as we are for we are knit vnto