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A10008 Ane oration made by Master Theodore de Beze, minister of the word of God, accompanyed with. xi. other ministers and. xx. deputies of the refourmed churches of the realme of Fraunce, in the presence of the king, ... Tuesday the ix. day of September, 1561, in the noonnery of Poyssy. Truely gathered and set forth in suct sort as it was spoken by the said de Beze. Whereunto is added a brief declaration exhibited by the said Beze, to the Quene the mother, the next morowe after the making of the said oration, touching certain poyntes conteyned in the same; Harangue faicte par M. Théodore de Bèze. English. Bèze, Théodore de, 1519-1605. 1561 (1561) STC 2026; ESTC S119256 20,389 80

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diuert and draw subiectes from their obedience which they ought to beare to their Princes and superiours we haue Sire to answere thē withal in good and vpright consciences Trueth it is that we do teache the chiese and principall obedienonce to be due to God kinge of kinges and Lord ouer all lordes For the rest if oure writinges be not sufficient to purge vs of that foule faute laid vnto oure charge we will for oure defence Sire alleage the example of so manie prouinces Seignories Principalities yea and Realmes refourmed accordinge vnto this selfe same doctrine whiche God be thanked may serue vs for good and sufficient witnesses to discharge vs. To be shorte we do in this point cleane to S. Paules saying in the 13. Chapiter of his Epistle to the Romains where speaking of the temporall pollicie he enioyneth enery man expressely to be subiect to the higher powers Yea saith Saint Chrisostome vpon the same place though thou were an Apostle or Euangeliste for such subiection taketh nothing awaye from the seruice of God And in case it hath heretofore happened or may hereafter happen that any cloking them selues with oure doctrine shal be founde culpable of R●bellion to the worste of youre officers Sire we proteste before God and your Maiestie that they be none of ours and that they can haue no greater enemies to them so doing then we be so farre as oure poore estate and condition can reach To make an end Sire oure bounden duetie to do the beste we can for the aduauncing of Gods glorie the obedience and humble seruice whiche we owe to your Maiestie the zeale and affection that we beare to oure countrey and specialie to the Churche of God hath this daye brought vs hyther trustynge to Almyghtye God that folowing the course of his goodnes and mercies he will with his grace work in you as he did in litle king Iosias ij thousand two hundred and two yeres 〈◊〉 the 〈◊〉 of 〈◊〉 auar●●● sithen And that vnder your gracious gouernement Madame being assisted with you Sire and other right honorable Princes and Lordes of the Councell the auncient memorie of the most famous Quene Clotilde shal be renued by whose good meane as Gods instrument the knowledge of his religion was brought into this Realine This is our full trust Sire for the bringing of whiche thing to passe we are readye to employ oure liues to the end that seruing your Maiestie in a thinge so holy and so commendable we may se and enioye the true golden world in the which our Lord and Sauiour Iesus Christ maye be serued to whome be honour and glorie for euer Amen Here Master de Beze and his companie bowed their knees to the grounde and afterwarde rysing againe he presented a confession to the king containing the faith of certaine refourmed Churches in Fraunce in suche sort as foloweth Sire we beseche your Maiestie that it maye please the same to haue no regarde to oure rude and yll polyshed language but to waye oure good wylles and affections altogether dedicated to you And forasmuche as the pointes and articles of our faith and doctrine bee plainely and at better lenght conteined in this present confession af oure faith which we haue once already presented to your Maiestie whereupon the present conference is to procede we humbly beseche youre Maiestie to shewe vs againe so muche fauour as to receiue it at oure ●andes in this place trusting by the helpe of the grace of almightie God that after we shall haue conferred together in all sobrietie and reuerence of his Name you s●all finde vs all of one accorde And in case oure sinnes shal be a let that it shall not so come to passe yet doubt we not but that your Maiestie with his good Councel shal be hable to bringe the thing to a quiet ende without preiudice of either partie as to reason and Gods honour shal seme beste to appertaine FINIS A briefe writing exhibited by Master Theodore de Beze to the Quene Mother at Poissy the x. day of September containing a declaration of certaine pointes proponed by him the day before in the presence of the King the Quene Mother the king of Nauarre c. Being present also there a nomber of Cardinalles and Bisshoppes and other Ministers of the Church 1561. ❧ To the Quene MADAME whereas your right humble seruaunt Theodore de Beze hath some occasion to feare that your Maiestie should not remaine satisfied with a speache that passed from him yesterday in the declaration of a matter whiche to his great griefe was by my Lordes the Prelates foūde verye strange He moste humble desireth your Maistie that it maye please you to vnderstand at better lenght suche purpose as he could not then sufficiently expresse by reason of a noyse reased in suche sort as the knitting vp of his matter was not harde nor conceiued of the hearers accordynge as his desire was it shoulde haue bene and as he ment to haue had it Madame the cause that ledde me to enter to that matter was for that there are manye that for lack of good vnderstanding of the confession of oure faith do thinke oure teaching to be to shutte out Iesus Christ from his holy Supper whiche were a manifest impietie For we do knowe thankes be geuen to God that that blessed Sacrament was ordeined by the Sonne of God to the ende that being made more and more partakers of the substaunce of his very bodye and of his very blood we mought be so muche the nere vnited and incorporated with him to drawe to vs thereby the eternall lyfe And doutlesse if it were otherwise it should not be the Supper of the Lord. And Madame so farre be we from willing or meaning to say that Christe is absente from his Supper as contrarily there are no kinde of menne that can lesse beare such a sacriledge then we Trueth it is that there is a great difference to say that Iesus Christ is present at his holy Supper geuing vnto vs there at his very body and very blood and to say that his body and blood are ioyned with the breade and the wine I haue confessed the firste which is the principall The last I haue denied for that I take it to be directely against the veritie of the humaine nature of the bodye of Christ and to the article of the Ascention as it is conteined in the holie Scripture and declared by all the auncient Doctours of the Church I will not here alleage manye places and reasons Onely Madame I beseche your Maiestie moste humbly to waye and consider with your selfe whether of the two opinions carieth with it the more honour to the word and ordinaunce of God eyther that which woulde make vs to beleue that we can not be made partakers of the body of Christe vnlesse it be put and ioyned really with the Sacrament or els the other that teacheth vs that albeit his body doth presently remaine in heauen and not elswhere