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The trew report of the dysputacyon had [and] bego[n]ne in the conuocacyo[n] hows at london among the clargye there assembled the xviij. daye of October in the yeare of our lord M.D.LIIII.
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Philpot, John, 1516-1555.
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STC 19890; ESTC S114649
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he ate his own naturall body as they ymagyne it to be / or noo Than sayd master deane It is a great absurdytye by yow granted / and so he sate down moremaÌ„ affirmeth that christ ato his own body Agaynst this absurditye / filpot stode vp and argued / saiÌ„g he could proue by good reason to be diducyd owt of scripture / that chryst ate not his own naturall bodye at the institucyon of the sacrameÌ„t / and the reason is this The body of christ giuyn by the sacrament hath a promes of remissyon of synnis adyoyned / vnto all theÌ„ that receyue it dewely / Fylpot but this promes could take no effect in chryst / ergo christ ate not his own body in the sacrameÌ„g moreman denyeth the sacrameÌ„t to haue a ê“mes of remissyon of sinne annexed vnto it To this reason moremaÌ„ answered / denienh the former part of the argument / that the sacrament had a promes of remissyo of synnis annexed vnto yt Than fillpot shewed this to be the promes in the sacrament Which is gyuyn for yow / which is shed for yow for the remissyoÌ„ of synnis But moreman wold not acknowlege that to be any promes / so that he droue fyllpot to the vi of Ioh. to vouch his sayng with thes wordis the breade which I will gyue / is my flessh / which I wyll gyue for the lyffe off the world Moreman answering nothing directly to this argument / harpsfeld affirmeth that which moreman his felow denyed harpsfeld start vp to supplie that which wanted in his behalff / and thinkyng to haue answered fyllpott / confyrmed more strongly his argument / sayng / ye mistake the promes which is annexed to the body of chryst in the sacrament / for it perteyned not to christ but to his discyples to whom christ sayd this is my body which is gyueÌ„ for yow / and not for christ him sylff Yow haue sayd well for me quoth fylpott / for that is mine argument The promes off the body of christ toke no effect in christ / ergo christ ate not his own body weston also is coÌ„trary to more man Than the prolocutor to showlder owt the matter / sayd the argument was naught / for by the like argument he myght goo abowt to proue that chryst was not baptysed / becaus che remissyon of synn which is annexed vnto baptysme toke no effect in christ fylpots argument is not soluted To the which / fyllpot replyed that lyke as christ was baptysed / so he ate the sacrament / but he toke on hym baptisme / not that he had any nede the reoff / or that it toke any effect in him / but as our master / to gyue the church an example to folowe him in the ministracyon of the sacrament / and thereby to exhibite vnto vs / him self / and not to giue him self to him selff No more was sayd in this But afterward the ê“locutor demaÌ„ded of filpot / whether he wold argue agaynst the naturall presence or no. To whoÌ„ he answeared / yea yff he wold heare his argument with owt interrupcyon and assigne one to answer him and not many / which is a confusioÌ„ to the opponent and specyally for him that was of an yll memori By this tyme the night was coÌ„ne on / wherefore the prolocutor brake vp the disputacyon for that tyme and appointed fillpot to be the fyrst that shuld beginn the disputacion the next day affter / coÌ„cernyng the presence of chryst in the sacrament On the wedinsday the xxv of October / Iohnnfillpott / Filpot as it was before appointed / was redy to haue entred the disputacyoÌ„ myndyng fyrst to haue made a certen oracyon and a trewe declaracyoÌ„ in laten off the mater of christis presens which was than in questyon which thiÌ„g the prolocutor perceyuing / by and by he forbad fillpot to make any oracyon or declaracyon of any matter / coÌ„mandyng hym also that he shuld make na argument in laten but to conclude no his argumentis in Inglyssh Than sayd fyllpott / this is contrary to your order taken at the begynnyng of this disputacyon For than yow appoynted that all the argumentis shuld be made in laten And thereupon I haue drawen and diuysed all my argumeÌ„tis in laten And becaus yow / master prolocutor / haue sayd heretofore openly in this how 's that I had no lerning / I had thought to haue shewed such lerning as I haue / in a brefe oracyon and short declaracyon of the questyons now in controuersy thynkyng it so most conuenient also / that in case I shuld speak otherwyse in my declaracyon than shuld stand with lerniÌ„g or than I were able to warant and iustyfye by gods word / it myght the better be reformyd by such as were lerned of the how 's / so that the vnlerned sort beyng present myght take the lesse offence thereat But this allegacyon preuayled nothyng with the prolocutor who bad him styll forme an argumeÌ„t in Inglyssh or els to hold his peace Than sayd fyllpot Yow haue sore dysapoynted me thus sodenly to goo froÌ„ your former order / but I wyll accomplysh your commandement leauyng myne oracyon a part And I wyll come to my argumeÌ„tis / the which as wel as so sodeÌ„ a warnyng wyll serue I wil make in Inglyssh But before I bryng furth any argumeÌ„t I will in one word declare what maner of presens I doo dysallowe in the sacrament to the inteÌ„t the hearers may the better vnderstand to what end and effect myne argumentis shall tende not to denye vtterly the presence of christ in hys sacrameÌ„tis trewely ministryd accordyng to his institucyon / but only to denye that grosse and carnall presens which yow of this how 's haue allredy substrybed vnto to be in the sacrament of the altar contrary to the truth and manyfest meanyng of the scrypturys / That by transsubstaÌ„cyacyon of the sacrameÌ„tall breade and wyne christis naturall body shuld by the vertu of the wordis pronownced by the pryst be conteyned and included vnder the formis or accydentys of breade and wyne Thys kynd of presens ymagyned by men / I doo denye / quoth fyllpot / And agaynst thys I wyll reasoÌ„ But before he could make an end of that he wold haue sayd he was interrupted of the prolocutor / and commanded to desceÌ„d to his argumeÌ„t At whos vniust importunite fyllpot beyng offeÌ„and thincking to purchase hym a remedy therfor / he fell down vp on his kneys before the earles and lords whych were there present / beyng a gret nomber / wherof some were of the quenis cowncell / beseching theÌ„ that he might haue libertie to prosecute his argumentis with owt interrupcyon of any maÌ„ the which was geÌ„tilly graÌ„ted hym of the lordis But the ê“locutor puttiÌ„g in vre a point of the practyse of prelatis / wold not condescend thereunto / but styll cryed hold your peace or els make a short argumeÌ„t I am abowt