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A05113	Mr Henry Barrowes platform Which may serve, as a preparative to purge away prelatisme: with some other parts of poperie. Made ready to be sent from Miles Mickle-bound to much-beloved-England. Togither with some other memorable things. And, a familiar dialogue, in and with the which, all the severall matters conteyned in this booke, are set forth and interlaced. After the untimely death of the penman of the foresaid platforme. & his fellow prisoner; who being constant witnesses in points apperteyning to the true worship of God, and right government of his Church, sealed up their testimony with their bloud: and paciently suffred the stopping of their breath, for their love to the Lord. Anno 1593.	Barrow, Henry, 1550?-1593.	1611 (1611)	STC 1525; ESTC S122418	73,650	164

without all question their injuries haue been more then ynough though Lawes were not wrested against them And this wrong was the greater considering their love and loyalty to Prince Country But their judges must come before the Iudge of all the world that wil doe right In respect wherof I pray for them that their case may be found cleare through repentance which is the right way thereunto if it be done in time And for all the Saintes here combating under the banner of the great Captaine of the Lords Host that is Iesus Christ it behoveth them in patience to possesse their soules looke for their rest when the Lord commeth who will wipe all teares from their eyes give them an inheritance everlasting immortal which fadeth not away reserved in the heavens for them Which shal be enjoyed when others on the left hand shall both heare a contrary sentence and receive a worse reward But as Abigail the wife of Nabal is praised in that she used such wise and good meanes to prevent and stay David from bringing that evill which he intended against Nabal and all his house for his churlish reprochful and evill answer so much more shal it be a praise-worthy work special part of good seruice durie in any that shall perswade withdraw the Magistrates and people from bringing any evill upon the servants of God without a cause For as the Psalmist sayth what hath the righteous done To which every good Christian may answer They haue surely done that which deserves praise and not punishment not imprisonment reproches confiscatiō of goods banishment untimely death or any the like evill intreaty Desiderius They may so answer and that truely but the world vvill not receive it And now I pray you tell me What difference doe you put between those people called Brownists and our sincerest and best professors of the Gospel called Puritans M. Mickelbound The difference is layd downe in few words The former doe both hold and practise the truth and separate themselves from the contrarie The latter haue the trueth in speculation onely and either dare not or at least doe not practise it Neither dare or doe they leave off all the unrighteous ordinances of Antichrist but daily do bend and stoupe unto many of them And for what cause others may well conjencture but their owne hearts can best tell it to themselves Desiderius But those Christians called Brownists are at great difference among themselves For some holdes private communion others of them will at no hand allow it And so there ariseth ill will with decrease of love in one towards another But I pray you which of those persons or opinions doe you like best M. Mickelb For their opinion I would haue my judgement spared at this time Onely this I say that their difference is not such as ought to make any division between them or to breake off the cōmunion and fellowship which they had before And if any doe it is doubtlesse the fault of those that doe it They haue need therefore to take heed of prejudice and preposterous zeale which else will be as a mother nourse to breed and bring up that wicked weed Envie a capitall vice in sted of Christian Love a holy vertue Be they then exhorted to shew forth the fruites of Christian moderation bearing with and supporting one another praying with and for one another enterteyning holy peace between themselves and with the Lord setting against the sinnes in themselves rather then that difference in their brethren so shall they the better carry forth their good cause against their envious Opposites For while they combine togither among themselves they shall be able to push and at last to overthrowe the Antichristian Kingdome and Hierarchy against which they joyntly beare witnes And thus shall they be truely zealous As for their persons there is neither of them doe lose one jote of my love if they continue their love to the Lord and his commandements walking faithfully according to that which he giveth them to see and knowe by his word both in holynes to himselfe righteousnes towards men and sobriety in themselves with abstinence from worldly lusts And if they alike thus walk my love is alike unto them Desiderius Some doe object against them their manner of receiving the Lords supper as being rude unreverent malepert and too too presumptuous sitting upon their seates as if they were Christs Camerades whereas for more reverence they ought to take it kneeling Miles This is no more against the former called Brownists then it is against the latter called Puritans even the best and sincerest of them For they likewise so hold that it ought not to be takē kneeling but sitting and eyther doe or faine would so practise if they could in safetie or durst indure the trouble following after it But for the point it selfe How doe those objecters prove that such manner of receiving is presumptuous c But are not they presumptuous rather that shal make them selves wiser then Christ and give lawes in his kingdome or Church which himself the onely Law giver hath not given Do they think that their good intents will carry out any thing in Gods worship which hath not warrant in his word If that were so then had not Vzzah been slaine for staying the Ark of God from shaking 2 Sam. 6.6.7 Neyther should King Saul haue been rejected for saving alive the fat cattel of Amalek to offer in sacrifice to God 1. Sam. 15. But the point being sufficiently cleared by sundry writers I referre you to them And I what should I need to say more but this that ●ee must in all thinges looke unto the first institution as our Lord Iesus himself also did when men spake unto him of putting away their wives who told thē that Moses for the hardnes of their heartes suffered it but from the beginning it was not so And in like manner to such as plead for kneeling at the receiving of the Lords supper we may answer that for want of love to the Lord and his trueth it hath pleased him to give them over to hardnes of heart strong delusions And as the Papists those grosse idolaters receiving the signes of Christs body and bloud to wit bread and wine thinking it to be the very body and bloud it selfe contrary to their own senses they doe for more reverence to it kneel before it and worship it as their God and Maker even so our formal Protestants at the celebration of the Lords supper do likewise kneele imitating therin those idolaters and so nourishing that popish errour of errours But from the beginning it was not so For at the first institutiō it was received as they sate at the Table But we can no where finde in all the scriptures that ever they received it kneeling or that ever true Christians beleeved those holy signes were transubstantiated into the body and bloud of Christ as the Papists falsely teach

Therefore as well that opinion as their and the Protestants practise is highly sinfull and for ever ought to be shunned Both because God never required such a beleefe nor appointed such a gesture in the act of communion as they haue taken up to themselves from the brain of mans mere invention Wee are therfore to take heed what examples we follow Dinah the daughter of Iakob going forth to see the daughters of the countrey where they came was defiled bodily but some of our Protestants looking forth to see after what fashion the Papists served God before them haue been defiled spiritually Wheras they should haue remembred and observed that which is written for our learning in Levit. 18.3.4 and commanded Israel of old saying After the doings of the Land of Egypt wherein ye dwelt shall ye not doe And after the manner of the land of Canaan whither I will bring you shall ye not doe neyther walk in their ordinances But doe after my iudgementes and keep mine ordinances to walk therein c. Desiderius It is a good instruction And being well followed it will prevent infinite errours and other abominations But how doe you manifest that the Papists doe worship the signes of Christs body and bloud as the very body and bloud it self and that contrarie to their own senses as you sayd For if that be true they are most vile idolaters indeed Miles So they are For when they receive the bread they see it feele it smell it and tast it to be bread yet they beleeve in the heart say with the mouth that it is body even the same that was crucified on the crosse quite contrary to their owne senses of seeing feeling smelling and tasting as I sayd before And that bread which their own sense tells them is no other creature but bread doe they adore and worship as the Creator as God as Christ. And so in like maner beleive they the wine to be the very bloud of God Christ which was shed for the redemption of the Church Which horrible idolatrie of theirs is as grosse as to worship beleeve in a molten or carved image in sted of the true God And both these sorts of idolatrie are not onely against the second commandement but also against the first Thus may you perceive that the Papists are deluded with a lye extraordinary beleving the lying miracle of transubstantiation Wheras in all true miracles wrought by Christ and his Apostles never any were taught to beleeve any thing contrary to their owne sight and their other senses but these seduced soules are miserably misled that way And why even because their lying prophets doe so beleeve and teach But is it not as strange that they will haue so many Christs at one and the same time For after the words of consecration are used those signes are transubstantiated into the very body and bloud of Christ by their opinion becommeth the whole Christ so that if they doe the like in an hundred thousand places at once they haue then if you will beleeve them so many CHRISTS And they being all eaten up in one day yet they can make as many moe in another and that as often as they consecrate their bread to such an end or use And is not this a wonderfull miracle and these marvelous men thas can by the words of their mouthes effect such strange things Or rather are not these monsters among men to beleeve such strange and strong delusions But so shall it fare with those that haue not the love of the trueth 2. Thes● And now let us leave them to their wandrings seing they are so bewitched that nothing which man can doe is able to drawe them from their delusions into the right way and trueth of the gospel ●word Christ. Desider The more is the pitie For as we ar debters unto all so I would we could doe them good M. Mickelbound They haue the letter of the scripture in that point before spoken of For Christ saith in Ioh. 6. This is my body But they haue not the meaning at all Neyther doe they consider that all sacramentall signes haue the name of the thing signified As for example The tree of life and the eating therof was a sacramentall signe to them that should live in obedience to God that they should haue life The tree of knowledge of good and evil had the name of that which they should by lamentable experience finde if they contrarie to Gods cōmandement should eat thereof The Altar which Iakob builded unto God he called by the name of the Mighty God of Israel Not that it was so indeed But that it was a signe remembrance of that God who had appeared unto him for his helpe and had mightilie delivered him from the furious hands of his brother Esau. And other the like examples are in the scriptures Even so Christ sayth of the elemental signes of bread and wine in the Lords supper Take eate c. This is my body this is my bloud c. Not that they are so in deed for when he spake those words his blessed body was at the table among his disciples and not in the bread as they plainely sawe with their eyes and did know with understanding But they were true signes of his body and bloud and as verily as they received them so certainly should every true beleever receive Christ and all his merites to be fully theirs by faith And the papists that worship these signes as the very body and blould of Christ because they were in mysterie so called If they had lived in the dayes of Iakob they might as wel and it is like they would haue worshiped that Altar as the Mighty God because it was in mysterie that is in signe and signification so called But as therein they should haue been notable idolaters so are they in worshiping a peece of bread which they eat as God the Creator both of it them And seing they think that to be their God if now they would see their foolishnes by a fewe wordes I wish them to consider what becomes of it in short space after they haue eaten it so they shal see that if ever it was a God it soon vanisheth away and becommeth none which is contrary to the nature of the true God who is eternal immortal unchangeable c. but the bread eaten goeth into the belly and is caried out into the draught as Christ speaketh So that this their God Bread is more base then the God Bell or any of the the Gods of the heathens And are not these grosse idolaters Yea this their absurd foolishnes was a stumbling block unto Averois of whō I haue read that he sayd Because the Christians eat that God which they worship my soule shall be with the Philosophers Wherfore I would they might learne that as the outward signes of bread and wine being received into the belly turneth unto the nourishment of the body so Christ

being received into the soule by faith is the true nourishment therof and salvation of the whole man For he hath redeemed us from death destructiō iustified us in the sight of God and procured us life with him All which we apprehend thorow faith But in this trueth I know you are already grounded so as I need not speak further for your instruction and as for them should I speak should I write should I doe all I can it will not profite them For without the extraordinary work of God they must still beleeve as their church beleeves For that cannot erre as they fondly suppose So that it may hold what it vvill and they must hold the same vvithout all triall or mistrust Thus by one error they are fast fettered in many must be left to their blind guides till they fall togither into the ditch For other guides they will not haue Therfore I shall now spare a labour and speake no further of this point Desiderius Thus brought I you out of the way wherin you were shewing the unlawfulnes of kneeling in the sacramēt Yet vvas it not vvithout fruit for even by that vvhich you haue sayd men may playnely see that vvee ought not to conceite or imitate those supersticious idolatrous and absurd Papists vvho are so addicted to their ovvne vvayes and are like those that cried Great is Diana of the Ephesians Act. 19.28 And great vvith these is their goddesse the false church M. Mick But vvhat say you of the Christians whose cause I pleaded for that addict themselves to the wayes and word of God Desiderius I freely acknowledge that such ought to be lovingly respected And you haue brought me to like better of them then ever I did but espetially that you so well cleared their doctrine of faith to be sound and their separation to be but from sin and such outward orders and ordinances that are unsound and sinfull which they therefore forsake that they might doe the will of God according to his written word the light of our feet and lanterne to all our pathes M. Mick You haue sayd ynough to cleare them both from heresie and schisme for he is no heretique that is sound in the faith And he is no schismatique that separates onely from disorder sin For we ought not to communicate in sin either with men or Angels Desiderius And that is the ground whereupon I my selfe neyther doe nor dare communicate in the Church of England with that sinful ordinance of man the service book or book of cōmon prayer M. Mick If you professe so much in England by your practise as you haue here confessed with your mouth you may happen to be called a Brownist if not to tast of other hard intreaty Des. Yet the truth is the truth Which as it appeareth unto me so stand I bound to obey unto it But I pray you why doe the foresayd people solemnize mariage in civil Assemblies or dwellings M. Mick Because it is a civil action and ought civilly to be performed according to the true nature of it Desiderius Why it is the judgment almost of all men to haue it done in the Church by a Minister And in England it is a common received custome to haue it so performed M. Mick I wish rather that for the proofe of it you could haue sayd Thus saith the Lord. And then to haue shewed the chapter and verse where it is so sayd But you haue done nothing lesse neither in deed it is impossible to be done there being no such thing once named or implied in all the scripture And consequently the ground whereon you stand is not rocky and firme but unsure and sandy which shall wash away with the raine every house built upon such a foundation when the flouds come and the windes blowe shall certainly fall as we may learne both by Christs own doctrine in the Gospell and reason it selfe doth shewe the same And if an Argument drawen from a common custome be good then if it be a common custome to haue the Lords holy Sabbaths profaned with Beare and Bull baiting with dicing and carding with May games and morrice dance with laciviousnes and luxurie with rifling or revelling c. then all is good and all may be done sane conscientia But I hope that both you and every childe of God truely sanctified doe defie and abhorre all such things not onely on the Sabbath dayes but every day of the week and of their whole life And is it not a common received custome in England to worship God by their book of cōmon prayer in English as the Papists by their Massebook in Latin and by their Images beades crucifixes and other the like in stead of true invocation upon the Name of God by the work of his Spirite But being all vvithout and against the vvarrant of the vvord of God your self dare neyther practise nor approve them And vvhy then doe you not minde the like in other things no less unvvarrantable As is the solemnization of mariage ecclesiastically and other such like Many abominations might be pleaded for by common custome and multitude of men in that minde But lay aside these sandy grounds and heare the vvords of the Lavve Thou shalt not follow a multitude to doe evill neyther agree in a controversie to decline after many and overthrow the truth Exod. 23.2 Beleeve it for truth That All Church actions are layd dovvne in the scriptures vvhich is the rule of truth But in them vve finde no mention of mariage to be a Church action Therefore it ought not to be so made or used And againe All the dueties of the Ministerie are expressed in the scriptures But in them there is no more mention or vvarrant for the ministers solemnizing of mariages to the living then is for their burying of the dead vvhich is just none at all Ergo they are both unlavvfull and ought not to be done And where you affirme the contrary saying it ought to be done by a Minister doe you meane a minister indefinitely without any respect whether he be true or false Desiderius No But I meane a true Minister onely For no true Christian ought to goe to false minister for any such end M. Mick Your reason is right and good But then the Ministers of England haue no right in that work they being in respect of their offices not true but false Ministers and so proved Desiderius But in respect of their guiftes they may be sayd to be the Ministers of Christ. For many of them haue excellent giftes M. M. So had Balaam likewise who yet was but a false Minister and a Southsayer And so haue many Lawyers others in our Land if they would and might be suffred to exercise their gifts who yet are no Ministers at all Gifts then doe help to make men fit for a Ministerie but doe not make them ministers much lesse true Ministers For every true Minister must not onely be