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A67325 A necessary treatise for this age, or, A plain discovery of that great error of denying baptisme with water to the children of believers in justification of the arguments of John Turner, for infants basptisme, against Robert Admond : together with several other useful particulars on this subject, the contents whereof follow in the next page / briefly and plainly handled and discust by Thomas Wall. Wall, Thomas. 1669 (1669) Wing W486; ESTC R38029 30,254 53

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Commandment being love out of a pure heart and of a good conscience and of faith unfained 1 Tim. 5. so ought the outward baptism of water to be administred on that place even the forehead where Christs name or covenant is recorded Rev. 22. 4. Moreover when the Lord sent the Messenger to destroy the wicked in Jerusalem those that were to be preserved or saved were marked on the forehead Ezek. 9. So likewise in Rev. 7. 3. and as Baptism is a figure of our safety 1 Pet. 3. 21. and the forehead or face representeth the whole man why not a part taken for the whole in this Ordinance as well as in the Spiritual Baptism and the mark of old and now of the people of God Ezek. 9. Rev. 7. in the forehead a part was taken for the whole as may be seen in the use of water where Christ washed the Disciples feet as if the whole body had been washed John 13. signifying a cleansing of the whole so Baptism on the face or forehead signifyeth the whole body washed in the Blood of Christ as a cleansing from all sins for of old in the figures of cleansing or sanctifying it was chiefly by sprinkling a part taken for the whole Again If you will not grant a part to be taken for the whole we cannot justify the Scriptures of truth for it was said as Jonas was three dayes and three nights in the Whales belly Ion. 1. 17. So shall the Son of Man be three dayes and three nights in the heart of the earth Matth. 13. 40. But we know he lay but a part for the whole therefore beware of following your own spirit and have seen nothing as the foolish Prophets did in Israel Prophecying out of their own hearts Ezek. 13. and your having neither the warrant of the Learned to limit the word to one sense of Dipping neither the Scripture for your opinion but take warning by the Counsel of the Holy Ghost Cursed is he that addeth or diminisheth which must needs be in denying the sense and meaning of the Word And next I shall by the help of God shew you that you are not faithful to practise what you seem to contend for in the administration of the Baptism of water and that in your own Judgment are not yet Baptised unless you grant a part to serve for the whole When Philip and the Eunuch went down into the water I suppose you will not deny but so far as they both went into the water was no part of Baptism and when they were both gone so far into the water as was convenient to make use of the water then Philip Baptised the Eunuch Now whether Philip and the Eunuch went but to the ankles or midleg or knees or wast before he Baptised the Eunuch is not mentioned in the Text the Scripture is silent but according to your Judgment that the whole body must be dipt or else none are Baptised then sure you must prove that the Eunuch was born up in the arms of Philip quite out of the water and so dipt all the body under water or else so far as the Eunuch went he Baptised himself or else Philip put the rest of the body of the Eunuch that was out of the water in the water and so Philip Baptised but a part for the whole and as I am informed by some that have seen the manner of your Administration o● Baptism that the party that is to be Baptised goeth into he water with the Administrator to the Loyns and the Administrator putteth the other part of his body which is out of the water into the water and so you Baptise but a part for the whole yet you plead for dipping the whole body and yet practice the contrary supposing there is a m●●h in anothers eye and the beam is in your own and keep ado with that Scripture Rom. 6. Buried with Christ in Baptism and that of 1 Cor. 15. 29. Baptised for dead or for the dead answerable to a mans burial that is dead and put in the ground But if you will practise what you contend for as I said before the Administrator must bear up the man that is to be Baptised quite out of the water and so put him into the water as a dead man into the Grave but did you ever know a man that was dead bury himself to the knees or waste and some other bury the rest of the mans body to see this would be a Miracle But a man cannot by any Rule from Gods word Baptise himself neither a part nor whole but so far as you go into the water you do Baptise your selves and another Baptiseth the rest thus you must acknowledg a part is by you practised for the whole or else in your own Judgment you are yet unbaptised and yet condemn others that believe and practise a part for the whole on that part of the body that representeth a part for the whole even the Forehead or Face And now I will shew you by the testimony of four several writers who was the beginner of your manner of Baptism by Dipping of himself though before this time there might be some that held your Judgment but knew not of any true administrator by succession but one being more desperately wicked than others would begin to Baptise himself and others being deceived by him follow after but beware and follow not a multitude to do evil Exod. 23. 2. In the dayes of King James or thereabouts one Mr. Smith who was of the Church of England after disliking thereof and leaving England in process of time was admitted a Member of a people of our Judgment then living in Amsterdam commonly but falsly called Brownists and in process of time was cast out of that Church for Errors he held and not long after he fell to deny his Baptism in infancy and knew not how to have a better nor a truer Administrator successively after your way of Dipping at length he Baptised himself and then he Baptised one Helvish by name this you may see in a Book written by one Mr. Jessop presented to King James more to ●his purpose I have seen in a book written by Mr. ●obinson living then at Leyden in Holland also in another Book written by one Mr. Clifton who wrote an answer to one of Mr. Smiths Books and in another Book written by Mr. Henry Ainsworth Teacher at that time in the Church where Mr. Smith was cast out from and as I have heard when I lived in London that one * This of Mr. Spilsbury I speak as I was told the others testimony is publick in Print and such men as were worthy to be believed Mr. Spilsbury should go to Holland to be Baptised of this Smith so he brought it into England And if you can prove no better an Administrator your Ministry will be found to come out of the bottomless pit as Romes Ministry did And that you may know how near kin your Baptism is