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A62284	The reformation of the Church of England justified according to the canons of the Council of Nice, and other general councils, and the tradition of the Catholick Church being an answer to a paper reprinted at Oxford, called (The schism of the Church of England) demonstrated in four arguments, formerly proposed to Dr. Gunning and Dr. Pearson the late bishops of Ely and Chester, by two Catholick disputants, in a celebrated conference upon that point : in which answer the unworthy and false dealings of the papists are shewed, and the charge of schism returned upon them, and the Church of England proved truly Catholick and apostolick in her doctrine and constitution / by Dr. Saywell.	Saywell, William, 1643-1701.	1688 (1688)	Wing S804; ESTC R34023	26,158	36

give no right to the Bishops or Authority to the Decrees they ordained and tho' all the Art and Cruelty imaginable was used to cut off a future Succession by burning imprisoning and banishing the Lawful Bishops yet it pleased God so to order it that the major Part of the Lawful undoubted Bishops who were made in King Edward's Reign and which lived till Queen Elizabeth's days joyned again in continuing the Succession of Bishops and restoring the Reformation settled in Convocation which has been preserved without Interruption to this very Day And those Bishops that were set aside in Queen Elizabeth's Reign were either justly deposed in King Edward's Days and never rightly restored or else were ordained by them who had no Authority to give them Jurisdiction in this Nation and so had no further right than the Civil Magistrate could give which the same Power had again taken away So that the Ordination of Archbishop Parker was so far from being irregular that it was made by those who only had proper Right and Title to ordain For the rest of King Edward's Bishops being Dead the sole Authority did Regularly devolve on the few that were left And the Queen the Nobility and Gentry the Clergy and the Main Body of the Nation were so well satisfied of the unlawful Authority of those Bishops that were set aside and the undoubted Right of those who ordained Archbishop Parker that of about 9400 Clergy above 9200 did with great Joy receive the Bishops and the Reformation and the rest of the Nation even those that were formerly zealous for the Church of Rome did joyn with them in Prayers and Sacraments and there was an Universal Agreement and Concurrence in the Communion of the Church of England for 10 or 11 Years together so that there was no other Penal Law but that of 12 d. a Sunday to stir up lazy People to mind their Duty and we might have continued so till this Day in that happy Concord had not the Pope excommunicated and deposed the Queen and prohibited all her Subjects under Pain of an Anathema to own her Soveraignty and submit to the Bishops of the Church of England Upon which many separated from our Communion and have disturbed our Government ever since So that it is plain the Schism is on the side of the Papists who upon pretence of Papal Authority did withdraw themselves from the Communion of their own Bishops and make a formal division in the Church which was before united in Peace and Truth But suppose there was some circumstantial defect in the Succession of some of our first Bishops as to matter of Form in the beginning of Queen Elizabeth's Reign after so many of their Predecessors had been unjustly turned out and destroyed in Queen Mary's Days their Misfortunes do not at all concern the present Bishops of the Church of England for if the Matter of our Reformation and the Constitution of our Church be Sound and Catholick as it is beyond all possible Contradiction and the Consecration of our Bishops was Valid as to the matter of Order there being no Regular Succession of Bishops continued on by those who were set aside in Queen Elizabeth's Reign because they knew it was in vain when they saw the Kingdom so well settled and the People so unanimously joyning with the Reformed Bishops after all those Popish Bishops were Dead there could be nothing required in Reason to give the Protestants a full Right and Authority but the Reception of the Queen and the whole Kingdom and that they had long before and all the Bishops for many Successions since that Time came into vacant Places and the Bishops that now are were none of them Born and come into none but void Places and so are as Firmly and Canonically settled as any Bishops in the World. This being the true Account of the Reformation of the Church of England I proceed now to consider the Argument in the pretended Conference with Bishop Gunning and Bishop Pearson so many Years ago and lately Reprinted by Henry Cruttenden at Oxon. And first it begins with a Definition of Schism in this Manner Schism is a Voluntary Separation of one Part from the whole true visible Hierarchical Church of Christ And then he goes on to a Syllogism in this manner Whoever make a Voluntary Separation of themselves from the whole true visible Church of Christ are Schismaticks But all those of the English Protestant Party make a Voluntary Separation of themselves from the whole true visible Church of Christ. Therefore all those of the English Protestant Party are Schismaticks He goes about to prove that we separate from the visible Church because we separate from the Roman and Greek Churches and all others in Communion with them and this seems to be the full Substance and Design of the first Argument Now to avoid all doubt and entring into Disputes about Foreign Churches whose Case is in some Regard much different from ours of the Church of England I shall therefore instead of the Protestant Party proceed to Answer for the Protestants of the Church of England I will not go to examine the definition of Schism any one that desires further Satisfaction about it may look into the Conference it self as it is printed where it is learnedly and acutely examined by the Bishops themselves In Answer therefore to the major Proposition it is so far from being true that we separate from the visible Church of Christ that we separate from no true Church or Society of Christians in the World. But to the better stating of this Matter we must consider that there is a twofold Communion one of Coordination and another of Subordination Churches Coordinate i. e. of several Provinces several Nations and Countries owe no Obedience one to another and are not bound to observe the same Rites and Customs and to agree in all School-disputes and Niceties concerning Theological Opinions no more than several Kingdoms are bound to have the same Laws and Constitutions This is acknowledged by all sober Divines in all Ages Accordingly several Churches and Countries have had their peculiar Rules and Orders still living in Peace and Unity and so might it be at this Day did not the Church of Rome by Force and Subtilty go about to enslave all Mankind to their private Errors and Impositions As therefore several Kingdoms do maintain Peace one with another and give all friendly Assistance if there be Occasion for their mutual Happiness and Defence yet keep to their own Laws and Customs in other Matters so tho' we differ in some Opinions and Practices from Rome and other Churches yet we retain that Christian Charity and Respect for them which one Coordinate Church or Kingdom ought to have for another and so there is no Schism made at all by us nor so much as any Separation but what distance of Place and difference of Circumstances do necessarily make Neither do we send Emissaries Abroad to

THE REFORMATION OF THE Church of England Justified according to the Canons of the Council of Nice and other General Councils and the Tradition of the Catholick Church BEING AN ANSWER to a Paper reprinted at Oxford called the SCHISM of the Church of England Demonstrated in four ARGUMENTS formerly Proposed to Dr. Gunning and Dr. Pearson the late Bishops of Ely and Chester by two Catholick Disputants in a celebrated Conference upon that Point In which Answer the unworthy and false dealings of the PAPISTS are shewed and the Charge of SCHISM returned upon them and the CHURCH of ENGLAND proved truly Catholick and Apostolick in her Doctrine and Constitution By Dr. Saywell CAMBRIDGE Printed by John Hayes Printer to the University For Edward Hall Bookseller there And are to be sold by Luke Meredith at the Angel in Amen-Corner London 1688. TO THE READER READER THOU hadst not now been troubled with the following Papers if a Relation of part of a pretended Conference with Bishop Gunning late Lord Bishop of Ely and Bishop Pearson late Lord Bishop of Chester had not been afresh Reprinted at Oxford and sent abroad into the World as a piece unanswerable by these two Eminent Prelates of our Church In which tho' there be nothing new and which has not been long ago answer'd yet to satisfie the World about the Truth of that Matter and to remove any prejudice that some might otherwise conceive concerning these Learned and Pious Bishops I will give a short account as near as I can at this distance of time of the Matter of Fact and then proceed to a particular Answer to the several Arguments in order as they lie The Conference was managed in writing about 30 Years ago and by mutual agreement nothing was to be made Publick without the allowance and consent of both Parties But such was the disingenuity and unworthiness of one of the Romish Disputants that contrary to the Faith and Promise he had made he sets forth a Book and pretends it to be an account of the Conference with Bishop Gunning and Bishop Pearson when he had left out changed and misplaced Matters as he pleased himself insomuch that his Partner was very much ashamed of his dishonest and unfaithful Dealing and did utterly condemn him for what he had done and renounced his having been engaged in approving or consenting to such a hase and disingenuous Proceeding and did openly own and acknowledge so much to the Persons concerned An account whereof was given to the World by Mr. Thomas Smith of Christ-College in Cambridge in a little Book called a Gagg for the Quakers with an Answer to Mr. Denn's Quaker no Papist Lond. Printed for J. C. and are to be sold near the North-door of St. Paul's Church-yard 1659. That which follows in your Book about Mr. Gunning and Mr. Pearson who disputed against the Romanists all who know these Ministers know to be superfluous and frivolous However I think fit to tell you the Romanist who put forth an Edition of that Dispute hath so changed transposed added diminished and made of it what he list that I believe it will be as soon owned for your I mean not J. S. but H. D's Conference as Mr. Pearson's or Mr. Gunning's I must now tell you further what you have been oft enough told that that Relation cannot expect to be regarded by Mr. P. or any sober Person which is disclaimed and disowned by Three of the Four who were Disputants viz. by both the Protestants and half the Papists But chiefly I must entreat you to consider whether the inserting above 200 Lines at a time as a part of the Conference which never was part of it besides all professed Additions secondly whether the leaving out whole Sheets of the Protestants which the Papists thought too hard to answer and thirdly the scarce suffering any one Argument and Answer of both to come together but casting usually parts of the same Paper of Mr. G. many score Leaves asunder one from another be not a scandal that any Christian would desire might be cover'd with silence And I would gladly know from any Ingenuous Person whether this might not be Answer enough to a Book put out at the charge of the Romanist's own Purse and Conscience A Discourse by being mangled rendred so unintelligible that scarce any Man ever read it over or will. Reverend Mr. William Moor the deceased Library-Keeper was perswaded by J. S. to read one Leaf but professed before many Witnesses he would not read another if you would give him the whole Impression because it was so unintelligible for the Causes above-mentioned This account was thought sufficient to satisfie the World that the Relation of that Conference ought not to be regarded and that it needed no other Answer But perhaps some will demand why was not the Conference then Printed whole and intire Now the reason of that was because the Popish Adversary did run all the Dispute into obscure and metaphysical Niceties that few could understand and fewer would take the pains to read it and so it was not thought fit and a needless charge to trouble the World with it Besides both the Bishops did tell their Friends when they discoursed with them about a fuller Answer that they thought it altogether unnecessary because though the Dispute were mangled and misrepresented yet that which they had Printed was still unanswered by them and unanswerable by any of their Party and they were perswaded that all Men who would carefully read the Book would be of the same mind And as for this Paper that is added at the end of the pretended Conference and now Reprinted at Oxford the Author do's not so much as say that it was part of their Dispute but a pure Addition of his own wherein they were no more concerned than other Divines and they did not think they were bound to answer whatsoever he should afterwards write and publish to the World and yet this Oxford Paper would without any ground or the least colour impose upon the World that this is a part of that forementioned Conference Neither did the Cause it self or the state of Affairs then require any particular Discourse upon that subject the Books of Bishop Fern Arch-bishop Bramhall Dr. Hammond and Dr. Heylin being then in every Bodies hands wherein they had fully vindicated the Church of England from any imputation of Schism and the learned Men of that time were so well satisfied with what they had written that it was needless to trouble the World upon that account But now 't is expected every thing that peeps out should receive a due Answer I have therefore endeavour'd to prove from truly Catholick Principles such as our Adversaries themselves cannot gain-say that not only the Doctrine and Constitution of our Church is most sound and Catholick but even the Order of our Succession and the Method of our Reformation was truly Regular and Canonical and that all the Author 's own Arguments do return

Bishop of Rome and if he did Excommunicate any upon such Account he did cut himself off from the Unity of the Catholick Church Unless in such Matters wherein the whole Church did agree with the Bishop of Rome and yet though St. Cyprian lived and died in Opposition to the Bishop o● Rome as much as we do now he is more Honoured and of greater Renown in the Church than Pope Stephen himself Vide Ep. Jo. Launoii Jacob. Bevilaqu Tom. 8. Compare our English Form with the ancient Forms in Morinus de Ordinationibus and you will find nothing wanting that is essential See the Protector 's Letter to Bishop Gardner quoted below Burn. Hist. part 2. pag. 276. Vid. Pet. de Marca de Concord Sacerdotii Imper. lib. 8. alibi Jo. Launoi Ep. Hen. Gondrino sen. Arch. T. 8. Out of Archbishop Parker Exod. 21. 14. 1 Chron. 22. 8. Dist. 50. c. 8. siquis viduam c. decret lib. 5. de homicid Voluntar 15. Q. 6. c. 3 4. 5. Decret lib. 5. de Haeret c. 13. sext Decret lib. 2. Tit. 14. c. 2. ad Apostolicam Tit. Papa Imperatorem deponere porest Thomas 2. 2dae q. 12. Art. 2. See Acts Mon. vol. 2. p. 337. c. Tortur Tort. p. 150. nihil ab iit quesitum ut facerent quam quid his jam anto fecerant sub Hen. scit 8. Ed. 6. Heathus Bonnerus Tonstallus Thurlbeius tum Episcopl Baynus Burnus reliqui nondum Episcopi aliis quoque ut praestarent Authores fuere etiam idorum quidam libris scriptis defenderent quid hic iniqui si de eodem iterum compellentur Vid. Bull Pii 5. apud Cambd. p. 179. Tortur Tort. p. 148. audet Apologia Author asserere neminem Pontificiorum Religionis causa in judicium vocasse Reginam scil neminem ad supplicium condemnasse quamdiu scili cet rem religionisagerent nec cum religione Rebellionis semina permiscerent neque priusquam Pius Papa per Bullas suas hic in Angliam per copias vero cohortes suas ibi etiam in Hiberniam impetum impressionem fecisset hic plumbo ibi ferro in Anglia clavibus in Hibernia gladiis rem gessisset Conf. Aug. c. 10. Chem. exam Ger. de coena Dom. Cal. l. 4. instit c. 17. §. 19. John 6. 53. Card. Bona Rer. Lit. l. 2. c. 18. semper ubique ab Ecclesiae primordiis usque adseculum XII subspeciepanis vini c. Coll. of Record part 2. p. 155. This is our express Pleasure's where there is a full consent of others the Bishops and Learned Men in a truth not to suffer you or a few others with wilful headiness to disswade all the rest About the beginning of the Queen's Reign Bishop Jewel's Defence of the Apol. 2. part Ed. 1567. p. 130. Our Bishops are made in Form and Order as they have been ever by free Election of the Chapter by Consecration of the Archbishop and other three Bishops p. 131. To be short We succeed the Bishops that have been before our days We are Elected Consecrated Confirmed as they were That they concurred in Consecrating Archbishop Parker c. See Mr. Mason de Minister Angl. p. 353. out of the Regist. Cambd. Eliz. p. 38. Bishop Godwin de presulib Angl. in Vita Parkeri Archbishop Bramhall The Consecration and Succession of the Protestant Bishops justified and many others Cambd. Elix p. 36. See Cambd. Elix p. 179. 1 Acts 20. 2 Artic of the Church of Engl. 37. 3 The Book of Ordination receive the Holy Ghost for the Office and Work of a Bishop in the Church of God now committed unto thee by the Imposition of our hands Ignat. Ep. ad Smyrn Trall Tertull. de Bapt. c. 17. 4 Cypr. Ep. 68. 1 Tim. 3. 7. Matt. 18. 17. Can. Apost 1. Concil Nicen. Can. 4. Matt. 28. 19. 20. 1 See what opposition was made by the Pope and Jesuits to the Divine Right of Episcopacy in the Council of Trent in the Hist. of Father Paul Card. Pallavicini 2 Bp. Andrews Bp. Bilson Bp. Dounham Bp. Hall Bp. Taylor Dr. Hammond Dr. Heylin c. 3 Petrus de Marca de concordia Regni Sacerdotii lib. 3. c. 5. n. 1. Antiquo juri universalis Ecclesiae assensu roborato successit jus novum quod anno Domini 836. publicari cepit adnitente Nicolao primo allis Pontificibus c. Voell in Praefat. ad Codic Can justell pag. 1. jus novum veteri successit circa annum Christi 836 paulatim invaluit in occidente c. This New Law was the Pope's usurping the Power of Choosing and Confirming of Bishops and receiving the last Appeals from all Churches which before did belong to the Archbishops and Bishops of the Province as the General Councils do shew de Mayca and others have learnedly proved and so acknowledge that Usurpation which we charge upon the Pope See our Articles Liturgy and Canons besides We retain great part of the Ancient Canon Law though We reject the jus novum brought in by the Pope 836 Years after Christ. See B. Andrews Tortur Tort. from p. 144. to 152. largely shewing the Treasons and Cruelties of the Papists and the Mercy and the Clemency of the Reformers besides what does appear in Acts and Monuments and other Histories of those times Bp. Andrews Tortur Torti pag. 146. Cambr. Eliz. p. 28. adeo indignati sunt Lincolnsensis Wintoniensis Watsonus Whitus ut Regina ●iljus ab Ecclesiae Romana defectionis Authoris excommunicationis censura feriendos censuerunt qui ab hanc causam incarcerati Prudentiores à. Pontifici Romano hanc potius committendam esse statuerunt Acts Mon. vol. 3. p. 988. Camb. Eliz. p. 36.