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didicissent_fw-la firmitèr_fw-la teâ—ere_fw-la etc._n etc._n hist._n con._n trid._n l._n 2_o p._n 277_o edit_n leyd_n â—6â—2_n a._n c._n p._n 57_o 57_o biseech_v god_n to_o inspire_v continual_o the_o universal_a church_n with_o the_o spirit_n of_o truth_n unity_n and_o concord_n etc._n etc._n in_o the_o prayer_n for_o the_o militant_a church_n and_o in_o the_o three_o collect_v on_o good-friday_n a._n c._n p._n 57_o 57_o campian_n praesat_n rationibus_fw-la praefixâ_fw-la praefixâ_fw-la §._o 26._o nu._n 1._o 1._o §._o 21._o n._n 6._o 6._o modo_fw-la ea_fw-la quae_fw-la ad_fw-la cathedram_fw-la pertinent_a recta_fw-la praecipiant_fw-la s._n hier._n ep._n 236._o 236._o l._n 4._o instit._fw-la c._n 1._o §_o 13_o etc._n etc._n etc._n ep._n 48._o a_o malis_fw-la piscibus_fw-la cord_n semper_fw-la &_o moribus_fw-la seâ—arantâ—â—_n etc._n etc._n corporalem_fw-la separationem_fw-la in_o littore_fw-la marry_o hoc_fw-la est_fw-la in_o fine_a saetuli_fw-la expectant_a expectant_a vix_fw-la ullum_fw-la peccatum_fw-la sola_fw-la haerest_fw-la exceptâ_fw-la cogitati_fw-la potest_fw-la quo_fw-la illa_fw-la sedes_fw-la turpiter_fw-la maculata_fw-la non_fw-la fuerit_fw-la maximè_fw-la ab_fw-la anno_fw-la 800._o relect._n cont._n 1._o q_o 5._o art_n 3._o 3._o biel._n in_o can._n miss_z lect._n 23._o 23._o stel_n in_o s._n luc._n c._n 22._o almain_n in_o 3._o sent._n d._n 24._o q._n 1._o fine_a multae_fw-la sunt_fw-la decretales_fw-la berâ—ticae_fw-la etc._n etc._n and_o so_o they_o err_v as_o pope_n pope_n eph._n 1._o 23._o 23._o s._n aug._n epist._n 50._o et_fw-la itâ—rum_fw-la columbae_fw-la non_fw-la sunt_fw-la qui_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la dissipant_fw-la accipitres_fw-la sunt_fw-la milvi_fw-la sunt_fw-la nâ—â—â—aniâ—â—_n columba_n etc._n etc._n s._n aug._n tract_n 5._o iâ—_n s._n john_n a._n c._n p._n 55._o a._n c._n p._n 56._o 56._o 3_o reg._n 12._o 27._o 27._o hos._n 4._o 15._o 15._o super_fw-la haereticis_fw-la prona_fw-la intelligentia_fw-la est_fw-la s._n hier._n ibid._n ibid._n non_fw-fr tamâ—â—_n cessavit_fw-la deus_fw-la &_o populum_fw-la hunc_fw-la arguâ—râ—_n per_fw-la prophetas_fw-la nam_fw-la ibi_fw-la extiterunt_fw-la magni_fw-la illâ—_n &_o ensign_fw-la prophetae_fw-la elias_n &_o elizaeus_n etc._n etc._n saint_n aug._n l._n 17._o de_fw-la civit._fw-la dei_fw-la â—_o 22._o multi_fw-la religiosè_fw-la intra_fw-la se_fw-la dâ—i_fw-la cultum_fw-la babebant_fw-la etc._n etc._n de_fw-fr quo_fw-la numero_fw-la â—â—â—â—mve_fw-la posteris_fw-la septem_fw-la illa_fw-la â—illiâ—_n fuissâ—â—tatuo_fw-la qâ—â—_n iâ—_n persecutione_n sub_fw-la aâ—habâ—_n deum_fw-la siâ—i_fw-la aâ—_n idâ—lolatrâ—â—_n immunes_fw-la reseruârunt_fw-la nec_fw-la genua_fw-la ante_fw-la baal_n flexerunt_fw-la fran._n monceius_fw-la l._n 1._o de_fw-fr vit._n aureo_fw-la c._n 12._o 12._o 3_o reg._n 17._o sub_fw-la achaâ—o_fw-la achaâ—o_fw-la 4_o reg._n 3._o sub_fw-la jehoram_fw-la â—ilio_fw-la achabi_fw-la achabi_fw-la 3_o reg._n 19_o 18._o 18._o hos._n 9_o 17._o 17._o 4_o reg._n 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