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B02748 The doting Athenians imposing questions, no proofs. In answer to their questions and most apparent mistakes, about the people commonly called Quakers and their profession. This being our 5th. answer to their Mercuries of the 7th. 11th. and 14th. of June last. 1692 (1692) Wing D1954A; ESTC R174714 7,803 2

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Power which upholds all things and which giveth Men Life Light and Understanding and from whence the Holy Scriptures first proceeded Q. And whether there was ever one of your Writers who granted it A. Probably some have though not in a strict and proper Sense and Scriptural way of Speaking but in a Figurative putting 〈◊〉 Words or Sayings of God for the Word from whence they proceeded Q. Whether they do not affirm and esteem it imperfect and no compleat Rule of Faith and Manners A. To the first part No if you mean the Holy Scriptures the Law of the Lord is perfect the Divine Truths and Doctrin contain'd therein being given by Divine Inspiration are perfect To the last part by compleat Rule of Faith and Manners Do you mean the whole Bible both old and new Testament Or do you mean the Scripture or Writings therein abstractly and literally taken without Interpretation If with Interpretation who must be the Interpreter Is not the Spirit of Truth the best Interpreter And how can this be excluded a Compleat Rule Or to take you in the best Sense do you not intend The Cooperation of God's Spirit together with those Divine Truths contained in the Scripture working in us Faith and Obedience as your own Word are Do you not think all this Essential to a Compleat Rule of Faith and Practice Though we freely grant the Holy Scripture as it cannot be broken is not only a Rule of Doctrin but contains many very precious Rules to be believed and practised The principal Supream Guide and Rule of Faith being the Spirit Christ promised to guide true Believers into all Truths Q. And whether you think not your own Writings of equal AUthority with it i. e. the Bible A. No. Q. And whatever any true Quaker either Writes or Speaks in their publick Assemblies to be really as Infallible as what was Spoken or Written by our Saviour or any of his Apostles A. No But whatever the Spirit of Christ speaks in and by such or any other fearing God The Truth is unalterably the same for ever Q. 2. Whether you own Jesus Christ who was born of the Virgin to be God equal with the Father from all Eternity A. The same Jesus Christ the Emanuel God with us God manifest in Flesh was certainly God in relation to his Divine Being from all Eternity though as born of the Virgin according to the Flesh he was Man of the Seed of David Q. And whether you own the Man who was of the Seed of David and born of the Virgin and suffered upon the Cross to be the true Christ your Christ and God blessed for ever A. Yea we own him to be the true Christ our Christ and also God blessed for ever Rom. 9. 5. Q. Whether you expect to be saved only by the Merits of what he then suffered A. Our Salvation is only by Christ our Saviour and Redeemer both with respect to the Merits of what he then suffered for us and also to his work of Grace in us to save us from Sin and Condemnation being reconciled by his Death that we may be saved by his Life 'T is only by his Merits and Work and not by our own Q. Or whether you think the same Christ really suffered for you who now sins in Heaven at the right hand of the Father A. Yea the same Christ really suffered for us and for all Mankind he tasted Death for every Man he died for our Sins and rose again for our Justification We see by this your Question what young Students you are and how unskilful in our Christian Principles and Profession and what strange and groundless Jealousies you have harboured against us Q. 3. Whether you own the Holy Spirit to be God distinct from the Father and Son or any of their Properties are distinct from each other A. We ask you Whether the Father Son and Holy Spirit be not One God blessed for ever We say Yea what say you And where doth the Scripture so term the Holy Spirit God distinct from the Father and the Son Or when you say The Father is God the Son is God the Holy Ghost is God do you mean that each is God distinct from the other would that be good Doctrin think ye And what mean you by their Properties distinct from each other Is it not proper to the Son to be called Father Yea the Everlasting Father and to the Son to be sent or to proceed from the Father as well as the Holy Ghost Q. Whether you own the Holy Trinity or Three Persons and One God blessed for ever A. If by Trinity be meant the three Divine Witnesses in Heaven 1 Joh. 5. 7. we own them to be One God blessed for ever Q. 4. Whether you own your Light within to be God the Father Son or Holy Ghost or all three together or only their Grace and Operation within you A. We own our Light within to be a Divine Light of God and Christ 't is a Light of both the Father Son and Holy Spirit who are One inseperable Being and Fountain of Light God who is above all and through all and in you all is our Light and our Salvation whose Light in us and all Men though gradually made known to us is a Divine Principle of Life and Grace which is more than an Operation only Q. 5. Whether you partake of either of the Sacraments in your Assemblies and don't absolutely neglect 'em as they are outward Symbols used by all others who wou'd be accounted Christians A. What Rule in Scripture have you for the word Sacraments and for applying that term to the Elements of Bread and Wine The substance whereof or things signified by those outward signs we partake of in our Christian Communion which you have nothing to do withal Q. 6. Whether you believe Angels or any immaterial Spirits besides the Soul of Man A. Yes we believe there are Angels which are Ministring Spirits besides the Soul of Man What you mean by immaterial Spirits is a question seeing you seem in your 11th Article to grant Angels Spirits to be distinct Substances i. e. then by your learned definition Angels must be distinct Substances without matter or substance distinct Substances yet immaterial Spirits Pray where had you this Learning Q. 7. Whether you believe the Soul of Man to have had any Beginning or distinct Existence thereof after Death A. Yea both that the Soul of Man had a Beginning and must have a distinct Existence or Being after Death We really believe we shall be individually and numerically the same Souls preserved in our distinct Beings by him that gave us life and being and that our Souls shall be as many in Number after Death as now they are before Death And therefore your Charge of the Soul being intirely absorpt i. e. supt or swallowed up in God so as to lose its individuation is an ignorant idle and false Charge 't was the old Ranters Notion never our's