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A31340	A relation of some of the most material matters that passed in a publick dispute at Thriploe in Cambridgeshire the 15th day of the 2d month 1676 between Francis Holdcraft and Joseph Odde his assistant, both Presbyterian priests, on the one party, and Samuel Cater with some others of the Friends of truth called Quakers	Cater, Samuel, d. 1711.; Holcroft, Francis, 1629?-1693.; Odde, Joseph.; Webb, John, 17th cent.; Baker, Jacob.	1676 (1676)	Wing C1488; ESTC R29185	7,064	9

delivered she remembers no more her pain for joy that a Man is born into the World S. C. This is no proof for Christ does not say that it was a Man before it was born F. H. Children are sinners before they are born for David says I was shapen in iniquity and in sin hath my Mother Conceived me S. C. Whether was the sin in the Mother or in the Child for Christ speaks of the state of a little Child to be happy for of such is the Kingdom of Heaven and you say some Children are for Hell and Destruction which is a damnable Doctrine and altogether contrary to the Scriptures and to the mind of God revealed therein which says God would have all to be saved and come to the knowledge of the Truth and therefore made none for destruction but Mans destruction is of himself for want of receiving and obeying of Christ the Son of his Love who is come a Light into the World that all Men through him might believe John 1. 7. F. H. There is none shall be saved but such as are elected S. C. You are strangers to that election which hold that God hath made one man for Salvation and another for destruction as they are the Workmanship of his own Hands But Francis I ask thee this question Whether thou thy self be one of these elect thou speakest of F. H. Yes I am S. C. And how camest thou to be so F. H. By the free Grace of God S. C. And doth not this same Grace appear unto all men for the saving and electing of all as it doth unto thee F. H. No I deny that S. C. I 'le prove by the Scripture that it does People look in your Bibles and look into Titus 2. 11. and you may read it as I say F. H. I will Read it my self S. C. Do so F. H. Read thus The Grace of God that brought Salvation hath appeared unto Men. S. C. Thou Readst wrong and takes from the Scripture thou leavest out the word All Read it as it is in thy own Book F. H. I Read it as it is in the Greek for it is not so in the Greek as it is in our Books An indifferent person standing by called unto him and told him Francis what do you bring your Bible hither for if it be wrong translated S. C. We have no reason to go from the plain words of Scripture to believe thee for we believe the Scripture speaks as true in this as in any other things that it declares of and further we understand the things of God in the Language in which we were born and we would not be so shuffled off or baffled out of our belief of the truth of the Scriptures to believe what thou or any man says who say they are not true and I told him then I believed he did say that which was not true of the Greek Copies and as I then said so I have since found it to be for since I desired some that understood the Greek and Latine Tongues and the word All Men which he would not read and impudently said it was not in the Greek which you may here read Apparuit enim gratia Dei salvatoris nostri omnibus hominibus 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Whereby all men may see this mans deceit who makes lyes his refuge and under falshood hides himself but in the light he is seen and by the Children of the light made manifest and his unfruitful works of darkness detected and his Religion seen to be vain who does not bridle his Tongue from lying and slandering of the Innocent which is known to have been his practice these several years and yet so continues whereby he renders evil towards us for good who suffered him to shelter himself under us to get out of prison F. H. Pretended to shake the dust off his feet and went his way S. C. Deceit if thou goest away remember that thou hast not yet proved that we are such as thou hast said we are and I warn thee to cease from railing against us any more and this further I have to offer thee and Joseph Odde I would have you both fit down and hear for I have somthing upon me to declare to the people and I shall open my heart freely before you and them and speak as to the things we have been speaking of and if I speak any thing contrary to Scripture you shall have your liberty by the Scripture to reprove me but they hastened away with railing words in their mouths and we continued some time together in which I cleared my Conscience to all that were there present and then we parted to our places in peace having committed our Testimony unto the Witness of God in every ones Conscience which is the equal measure of what was said and done that day And thus we have given an account in part of that days proceedings for the satisfying of all that desire to know the Truth of the matter for the stopping of all false reports which envious persons may spread abroad the which we hear these men are not wanting in otherwise we could have been contented to have been silent and to have left it without further publication to the Witness of God in the Consciences of those who heard us that day who are Friends to all men and in that we generally desire their Everlasting Peace and Rest with God in the Kingdom of his Dear Son S. Cater J. Webb J. B.

A Relation of some of the most material Matters that passed in a Publick Dispute at Thriploe in Cambridge-shire the 15th day of the 2d Month 1676. between Francis Holdcraft and Joseph Odde his Assistant both Presbyterian Priests on the one Party and Samuel Cater with some others of the Friends of Truth called Quakers I The aforesaid Samuel being at a Meeting of our Friends in that Country where there were some told me of the Lyes Slanders and Reproaches that were frequently vented and cast upon us the people of God called Quakers by this above-named Francis Holdcraft and his Abettor Joseph Odde that is to say that the Quakers are deceivers and that they did not believe in the True Christ the Messiah and Saviour of the World and that they Preached another Jesus and not the True Jesus and that they were Antechrists and of this they made their boast that they would prove the same to any of our Faces if we would or durst come to that Town upon the hearing of which for the Truth sake for which the Lord hath called me to bear Testimony thereunto and for the clearing of the Innocency of those that believe therein and are led and guided thereby which I knew they had most grosly abused I was made free in the fear of the Lord to appoint a Meeting at that Town of Thriploe and give notice of it seven days before in which time I desired that the Persons above-named might have timely notice of it which was done that so they might prove that to our faces if they could which they had said of us behind our backs or receive reproofs for their unfruitful works of darkness So when I with some Friends were come to the Town and were at a Friends house there was word brought to us that F. H. was come to Town also and that he thought it not so convenient to come to our publick Meeting but rather desired to speak with three or four of us more privately to discourse out the matters in Controversie between us then I sent him word that he had reviled us and our Principles openly and I did expect that he should come as openly as he had promised to prove what he had said against us or else to receive shame for his work and the time of day was now come to go to the place which was appointed for the Meeting where we did intend to go and desired that he might meet us there but if they would not come to us then we were resolved to come to them after the Meeting and we being gathered together and waiting upon the Lord some time before they came there was a Friend declaring the Truth to the people when F. H. came to the door and said That if he would not hold his peace he would not come in but the Friend having freedom he did soon leave and then he came in I stood up and spake a few words unto the people by way of Exhortation That all might be sober and weighty in their minds that so they might be the better prepared to give a right Judgment of what might pass between us Then F. H. said If I would not hold my Tongue he would be gone John Webb Answered Be patient a little hear and if we speak any thing contrary to Truth thou mayst judge us out of our own Mouths Francis Holdcraft I will have no patience Samuel Cater Then thou art unfit to be a Minister of Christ but however F. H. I would not have thee go away yet for we do expect that thou shouldst perform what thou hast promised if thou canst that is to prove us deceivers and thou hast said we deny the True Christ and that we Preach a false and not the Messiah the Saviour of the World and this is the business thou hast promised to do F. H. And this I shall do by the help of Almighty God F. H. Is your name Samuel Cater and are you a Quaker S. C. My name is so and I own and have unity with all the honest and upright-hearted people of God called Quakers F. H. But do you own the Quakers Principles let me know that that I may have a foundation to stand upon in our Discourse S. C What Principle is it that thou art against that we hold Repeat it and I shall give thee an Answer F. H. Do you own the Quakers Principles J. B. Another Friend standing by said there is a Book of ours called Truths Principles any one therein contained we will own instance which you will S. C. As to answer to thee in short that I own all that are published as the Quakers Principles I shall not do for this reason there are envious and evil-minded men have forged Principles and called them the Quakers to abuse us and to present us and our Principles odious and therefore seeing thou wilt not tell us what Principle of ours thou art against I shall here declare the universal Principle that I with the rest of my Brethren own and turn people unto that is Jesus Christ is the True Light that Lighteth every man that cometh into the World and that so many as love this Light and bring their deeds unto it and are led and guided by it are saved and all that disobey it are condemned by it This is our Principle What sayst thou to it F. H. I say to affirm that every one is enlightned with the Light of Christ is Cursed Idolatry S. C. Then I say Francis the Pit that thou hast digged for the Quakers thou art fallen into thy self this day in the sight of all that have an Eye to see and an Ear to hear for I 'le prove by the Scriptures of Truth that this Lord Jesus Christ that Lighteth every Man that comes into the World is the Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the World See John 1 7 8 9. 8. 12. 29. F. H. That every one is enlightned I grant but not with the Light of Christ S. C. What is it then that they are enlightned with F. H. A Creature S. C. What kind of Creature is it a Man or a Beast but in this he answered nothing and in this as well as many other things he was manifest to be in great Confusion and in his Knowledge to be more bruitish than a Beast to call that a Creature which the Scriptures of Truth calls the Life of God and says it is the Light of Men Read John 1. 1 2 3 4. F. H. I will prove that the Quakers deny the Man Christ Jesus who is now at the Right Hand of his Father in the Highest Heaven and hold forth another Christ another Gospel another Spirit S. C. Well go on and do it if thou canst we ask no favour at thy hand By this time his Brother Joseph Odde came in the other Priest saying to him in a fauning flattering manner Sir I am glad to see you here this day about so good a