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A49373	Persecution detected in all his new forms: or, A dialogue between Nimrod policy, and Nathanael innocency Wherein persecution is followed and detected in his chiefest tabernacles; being packing apace out of his old g[...]bs of presbytery into his swept and garnisht forms of independency and the water-way: wherein is shewed the originall, and name, and interest of policy, with many of his assistants; and also of innocency: with the epitome of a true Christian: also several considerable queres touching God, his word, his essence; and Christ, and his works in man; as touching heaven, and hell, and sin, and the sabbath &c. of Moses; touching the true rest and centre of a Christian. By John Lane, late quartermaster to Sir Hardresse Wallers regiment.	Lane, John, quartermaster.	1652 (1652)	Wing L338; ESTC R213607	17,333	26

hope some old skilfull Physitians wil cure purge and cut off if need be rotten members that have gangrene humors in them there be many that pray for life everlasting but very few for an everlasting P but Sir I do not desire to meddle in these things you should know more of them then I and I am perswaded if you are a souldier that you may say more then I dare I shall say this the whole needeth not the Physitian ut fi●t justitia rua● mundus Pol. Well Innocency I am willing to passe that question by at present believing that you can say more to it but that there are so many words about it a ready and I believe you do not affect so much verbosity besides you must not say all you can although it be never so true for all truth may not be spoken at all times time is the herald of truth truth is a vertue that scaleth heaven illuminateth earth maintaineth Justice governeth Common-weals kills hate nourisheth love and discovereth secrets and yet may not at all times be declared where there is Law against it Inno. Sir If you are so willing to passe that preceding question and to go to an other pray do for I believe if all truth should be spoken it would extremely torment the earth what is your next question Pol. My next question to thee is what interest thou art for in these distracted and divided times art thou a Protestant or a Presbyter or an Independent or one of the Water way or one of those called Seekers of which there be many sorts Inno. Sir I am for neither of those interests singly other then they serve to inlarge the Common-wealth of the Creation and so I am for all of them although differing one from an other in opinions but Sir it 's like you may make use of all of them to serve your ends on them although you be of neither of their opinions for so policy can do and will seldome do more then be for either of them as they are usefull to him or for all of them together if the spirit of people be that way Pol. Well Innocency if you are neither of them then I hope you will deale plainly with me in your thoughts of some or all of them if J shall desire it in our further discourse because I perceive you are unbiassed as to either of them I shall leave the old Protestants so called because we will be brief at present and begin with some Presbyters what think you of them are they likely to do the world that good they now generally expect viz. ease to their persons estates and minds Inno. Sir as to your desire of plain dealing from me touching those persons and interests hinted in the premises I shal so far as I may for you although I may die a begger for it but I shall but epitomize them and their designs c. a word may serve you you being wise besides I know you do not affect prolixity Pol. Well Innocency go on as briefly as thou wilt to thy opinion of them what thinkst thou of Presbyters Inno. Sir I think many of them are going down the wind nay almost all of them except some that have of late turn'd GIBEONITES for their spirit viz. persecution for opinion is going from them apace into another form which some of the wisest of them go along with and think to use them again in another garb then that of Presbytery for they think to sweep and garnish another dwelling for that unclean spirit which if they do for ought I know their latter end may be worse then their beginning for these are searching times But Sir in few words I shall tell you they of the Presbytery were so violently eaten up for the zeal of the Lords House and have so whin'd and pin'd and fasted c. that they have made that seeming pamper'd Palphray as poor as a Scotch Galloway taken at Worcester that so now very many of them have very small trading and have little to do except it be to receive Tithes and read the Directory and spend some of those estates they have gained if they have much left out of their late contributions to the CHARITABLE USES OF LOVE but Sir I tell you many of the Presbyters have great hopes of a Resurrection of their cause for they use all the skill and power they have to do it especially in the Committee of Divines where if they can helpe it none shall passe to preach that are friends to the Common-wealth but rather such as can speak pure Scotch and are railers against Sectaries of all sorts this with many other great influences they have elswhere doth make them hope and I think yet whine forth their many invectives in parobolicall sayings against the Common-wealth but Sir I shall leave them at present what is your next question Pol. I see you have known the spirit of Presbytery and although you say you will leave them were you in their power they would not so leave you I shall say little of them at present save that I well know them but go on to the next form viz. that of Independents so called and tell me thy thoughts of them Inno. Sir I shall tell you what I hear of many so called viz. some say there went but a pair of sheers between them and their elder Brethren the Presbyters the one going a little backwards and the other going a little forwards to make up the Brotherhood with LOVE besides some call many of these Norfolk Independents because say they such of them are for a toleration of the true Religion which is as they say that only which they believe and follow viz. the form of Congregationall Churches the Pope was alwaies for such a toleration viz his own way of worship besides Mr. Policy many think that Mr. Persecution doth intend to dwell a while in that swept and garnished form when he is wholly departed from Presbytery as if the Pithagorian Doctrine of Transmiguration were true he alwaies leaps from one form to an other and usually appeareth most in the form that is in most repute in the world although it be that which when he dwelt in Papacy and Episcopary he persecuted but have a care thou that hast said it was not good to persecute for difference in opinion doest thou persecute who art thou that judgest thy Brother dost thou not know that every one shall give an account of himself to God wilt thou not see how that arch-enemy to the Creations peace Persecution hath served his old Tabernacles of Episcopacy and Presbytery he may do as much for thee that art a persecuting Independent it 's good for thee to be moderate in this day of Gods strange workings although he make thy ears tingle at the Clouds he appeareth in do you not know that Gods way hath been to do his greatest works by the most contemptible and base means to stain the pride of all glory

or not such as know the spirit of the people and can conform unto them these I affect most if I might have my will such men as are for toleration of Opinions for I see the people generally affect true liberty and to be free from all oppressions and besides I tell thee plainly I have been in some straights touching formality how to please many fiery spirits for many of them are very confident in their way although I see little Scripture or reason for their forms for I see throrough them all for as they are used they serve only to beget envy and strife amongst men and do hinder universall love I 'le tell thee Innocency now I do suspect M. Persecution to be an Impostor and I fear he may do by me if I should use him as he hath done by his former Tabernacles viz. miserably distract me if not destroy me by serving me almost as bad as the Divell was said to do by the hogs Inno. Well Mr. Policy I am glad you are so moderate of late you have not long been so I am glad you begin to open your eys a little you may see your self more e're it be long for truth and innocency may be more owned for God doth shake both the earth and heavens of mans building which are laid in the serpentine principle but Sir I thank you for your patience in hearing my verball imbecility I hope you will not make me an offender for a word and Sir if I might not be further tedious to you I should desire we might epitomize a true Christian that is so in power and not in word and shew only Pol. Well Innocency go on to shew what such a Christian is Inno. Sir that I shall briefly and where I am short I desire you to inlarge in your thoughts 1. A right Christian is one that is one with Christ as Christ is one with the Father Joh. 17. 21. Heh. 2. 11. 1 Joh. 4. 17. 2. From this Union he is reconciled to God in all things and in all the variety and multiplicity of appearances he seeth but one God and sees all the varieties of things in their severall species be they of rationalls animalls and vegetables or celestial or terrestiall essences with their severall complections constitutions and degrees of heat cold drought or moysture with their several actions that are of God features motions and gestures to be the productions of the Unity whether sinister so called or direct with all their altitudes and profundities and latitudes and longitudes if so I may speak the Ens entium omnipotent over all thorow all and in all things besides he seeth all dispensations administrations manifestations and operations are to bring to the perfect Unity of the Son Ephes. 4. 13. 1 Cor. 12. 4. 27. 14. he seeing that the severall members are but one body besides he cannot see any vacuity between Creator and creature not understanding what should be betwixt them to speak after the manner of men 3. He is one that through Christ dwelling in him doth see the Enmity slain and hath gotten victory over all that did torment him mentally and also over much corporall slavery having conquered the old man Sin with Antichrist Hell Death c. and seeth no let in the holy mountain Sion 4. He being one that so far as he is born of God doth not sin nor can sin 1 Joh. 3. 9. Heb. 9. 14. 10. 22. he is in conscience purged from sin he seeth Christ appearing the second time without sin unto him Heb. 10. 26. 28. and the Lamb that taketh away the sin of the world for else he must have lesse power then the scape-goat under Moses Deut. 16. 20. 24. that ran away with the sins of Israel once a year and the bringer in of everlasting righteousnesse Dan. 9. 24. his own where sin shal be no more he being the finisher of it besides he seeth that Law made nothing perfect as to conscience but the bringing in of a better hope by and in Christ did by which he is nigh unto God having his heart sprinkled from an evill conscience being innocent as a dove 5. He is one that Col. 2. 20. v. 1. is dead with Christ to the rudiments of the world and therefore doth not live in them as subject to Ordinances in will-worship being risen with Christ and set together with him in heavenly places far above Principalities and Powers and Might c. and Dominion at the right hand of the high Majesty 6. And Sir to be brief a right Christian after he hath been acted through the variety of appearances and hath been led through the severall gradations of Christs Kingdome viz. of love joy peace c. and when Christ in him hath put down all Rule Authority and ●ower and slain all devision and distinction of the wrath and beastial principle then the Kingdome and Dominion is surrendred to the Father and then the creatures will is wholly resigned into the Divine Will and is only acted by it it being then in it's own centre the end having found the beginning he being meerly passive neither willing nor desiring not joying nor sorrowing but has then found all and for ought I know may do all when he is centricall but this few attain unto the beastial principle is so predominant Pol. I should let thee go on further to character a Christian as to his spirituall interest but that I fear there are some who like the Jewes Paul spake of 1 Thes. 2. 15. 16. who please not God and are contrary to all men may persecute such appearances of Christ in any and call it blasphemy therefore prethee leave such high things and speak something to a Christians practise amongst men in the world Inno. Sir I thank you for your Caution for though I would be as innocent as a Dove yet I may be as wise as a Serpent especially if I meet with such pharisaical Foxes therefore I shall hint some things that are practised to the world by a Christian and if you shall please afterwards J shall propose some Questions unto you as a ground for further discourse at some other time but Sir J shall go on A Christian doth make that sure Christian Maxim in Christianity viz. of doing as they would be done unto in all cases his rule and practise conscience being the chief Arbitrator And he doth really practise this rule in doing well to any in misery whether they be of any Church or not so long as he hath it He doth also practise this rule in all matters of sin against himself whether it be anger wrath malice strife debate envy slander or what ever and doth put conscience to the test doth any one thus abuse me and do I the same to them again then saith conscience you do but as you have been done by and not as you would be done by if you should so offend against others sinners do love such as love them and hate such

as hate them But Christians do blesse them that curse them and do good to such as despightfully use them and speak all manner of evill of them besides a Christian is truly inlarged with bowells of meeknesse and compassion to all under oppression or wrath or darknesse is acted to the ful in that love Paul speaks of 1 Cor. 13. 4. to 7. he vaunteth not himself above his fellow creatures he envieth not any for any thing he thinketh no evill he rejoyceth not in iniquity or in the disparity or inequality that is in the world that some are mighty and others miserable that 's for sinners he believeth all things beareth all things hopeth all things endureth all things is far from persecuting any for Opinion or delivering them to the divell as they call it for it or into his prisons and dungeons He is one that useth the world as though he used it not and buyeth as if he possessed not and although he be married it is as if he were not he being a child of God and so a child of the Resurrection and one that is worthy to obtain that world that is in subjection to man they can die no more death hath no more dominion over them Luke 20. 3. 4. 35. 36. He wil not be found doing that which Christ saith he shal find the world doing viz. as they did in the daies of Noah when he should appear in power and spirit Luke 17. 24. 26 27 28. Mat. 24. 38. the children of this world only doing so Luke 20. 34. the Christian seeth that in Christ there is no distinction of Iew nor Greek neither bond nor free neither MALE NOR FEMALE for ye are all ONE in Christ Jesus Gal. 3. 28. Col. 3. 11. Christ is all and in all But to conclude Mr. Policy because I will not weary your patience with this kind of discourse a true Christian hath for his further direction pure innocency as the Scripture saith as a Dove his eye being single his body being full of light Pol. Innocency though many of thy characters of a Christian be strange to me and may prove dangerous to worldly wisdome with all it's interests and relations and protectors yet J cannot but say there are very gallant truths in thy words J wish the world were able to beare them as J am but J must desire thee to draw towards a conclusion at the present and J shall gladly have more discourse with thee at some other time for now J am in hast having many publike matters in hand Jnno Mr. Policy that J shall and J must tell you J am very much ingaged to you that you have so patiently heard me all this while your moderation wil do you no hurt but I intreat you to take some Quaeres from me touching some particulars that J should be glad you were rightly satisfied in which J shall leave you to consider of against our next meeting Pol. Innocency that I shall willingly entertain but prethee be brief because I have much businesse what are thy Quaeces Jnno My first is touching the Father 1. Quaere whether the Almighty Iehovah be not omnipotent omnipresent uncircumscribed and omniscient 2. Whether all the severall kinds of things are not in all their varieties and multiplications the productions of the Unity 3. Whether there be any enterval emptinesse or vacuity between the Creator and creatures and if there be any thing between them then what it is for matter form substance or shape 4. Whether that which is called the Spirit of God in Scriptures be not truly of the essence of God 5. Whether that called the Spirit of God in men be not of his essence 6. Where the essence of God is circumscribed if it be so Secondly Touching Christ 7. Whether Christ as a manifestation of the Father according to number be not him that was is and is to come the yesterday to day and for ever the beginner and terminator of time the Alpha and Omega the principium finis the primus ultimus that is the beginning and end the first and last the all and in all the only Champion of the Father the doer of all his saving work and the reconciler of all things to God and also that which was manifest to destroy all diabolicallnesse darknesse sin hell death or whatever lets in his Kingdome of love joy peace c. that are the effects of mans own vain knowing imaginations Eccl. 7. 29. 8. Whether all Christs work were compleated in his humanity at Jerusalem 9. Whether Christ hath not destroyed ever since the serpent hath built or whether the evill hath been longer then Christ the Unction 10. Whether Christ had not enemies before he appeared in the humanity at Jerusalem 11. What appearance of Christ that was that Scriptures speak of to have been in the daies of Noah 1 Pet. 3. 19. and to be that rock the Is raelites followed that they eat and drank of 1 Cor. 10. 4. 12. What Christ that is that is said to be in men the hope of glory and to be formed in them and to be in them except they be Reprobates Col. 1. 27. Gel. 4. 19. 2 Cor. 13. 5. Thirdly Touching the Word of God 13. Whether there be any thing in Scripture called the Word of God but God himself that made the world that is spirit and life and only quick and powerfull and able to divide between joynts and marrow or whether any thing be the essentiall Word but God 1 Joh. 1. 2. 14. Whether the Word God be not the only truth that needs no interpreter but himself that in himself is the only determiner of all controversies amongst men that in his time will shew who is the only King of Kings and Lord of Lords and to be that truth that shall make us free not like that called truth which is made the only bond 15. Whether the letter of Scriptures be of any advantage to men except the quicking word of power be like the day Star arisen in them where by they experiment those teachings of God in themselves that was in them that write the Scriptures 16. Whether the Scripture misunderstood hath not been made the instrument of the murther and oppression of many millions of poor harmleste creatures and the engine of all the tyranny in Europe c. Fourthly Touching the Divell and Hell 17 Whether the Devil God blesse us be a corporeall and elementary essence yea or no with great clawes and eys as many country people have believed 18 What and where the Hell and torments so much feared by sinners are whether it be in any locall place on the superficies of the terrestriall world or in the centre of it or in the consciences of sinners under wrath and darknesse Fifthly Touching Heaven c. 19 Whether there be not Heaven to be had in man that is quickened together with Christ and set together with him in heavenly places Eph. 2. 5 6. 20. What