Selected quad for the lemma: truth_n
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A66413
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The Protestant's answer to The Catholick letter to the seeker, or, A vindication of the Protestant's answer, to the seeker's request
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Williams, John, 1636?-1709.
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1688
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Wing W2720; ESTC R2915
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the_o protestant_n answer_n to_o the_o catholic_n letter_n to_o the_o seeker_n or_o a_o vindication_n of_o the_o protestant's_n answer_n to_o the_o seeker_n request_n imprimatur_fw-la libre_fw-la cui_fw-la titulus_fw-la the_o protestant_n answer_n to_o the_o catholic_n letter_n to_o the_o seeker_n etc._n etc._n h._n maurice_n rr._n in_o christo_n p._n d._n wilhelmo_n archiep._n cant._n à _fw-la sacris_fw-la maii_n 22._o 1688._o london_n print_v and_o be_v to_o be_v sell_v by_o randal_n taylor_n near_o stationers-hall_n m.dclxxxviii_o the_o content_n the_o matter_n in_o debate_n state_v p._n 2._o the_o sum_n of_o the_o protestant_a answer_n p._n 4._o transubstantiation_n confess_v by_o many_o of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n not_o to_o be_v prove_v by_o scripture_n pag._n 5._o joh._n 6._o 48._o consider_v p._n 6._o not_o for_o transubstantiation_n by_o the_o confession_n of_o several_a in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n ibid._n it_o be_v also_o prove_v by_o several_a argument_n as_o that_o place_n have_v no_o special_a reference_n to_o the_o sacrament_n p._n 7._o eat_v the_o flesh_n then_o speak_v of_o may_v be_v out_o of_o the_o sacrament_n as_o well_o as_o in_o it_o ibid._n prove_v to_o concern_v those_o present_a as_o well_o as_o other_o p._n 8._o the_o sense_n of_o eat_v the_o flesh_n of_o christ_n prove_v to_o be_v figurative_a p._n 10._o of_o figurative_a speech_n p._n 12._o particular_o here_o p._n 13_o etc._n etc._n of_o christ_n be_v a_o vine_n etc._n etc._n p._n 17._o the_o word_n this_o be_v my_o body_n consider_v p._n 18._o of_o the_o word_n this_o p._n 22._o of_o christ_n be_v in_o the_o sacrament_n after_o a_o spiritual_a manner_n ibid._n the_o text_n produce_v by_o protestant_n for_o it_o p._n 24._o 1._o the_o letter_n of_o scripture_n for_o the_o protestant_a doctrine_n p._n 26._o 1._o where_o it_o be_v call_v bread_n and_o the_o fruit_n of_o the_o vine_n 2._o the_o body_n of_o christ_n have_v the_o natural_a property_n of_o a_o body_n p._n 29._o 3._o 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article_n they_o have_v a_o great_a many_o negative_a one_o and_o the_o answerer_n tell_v you_o for_o which_o we_o be_v behold_v to_o the_o corruption_n and_o innovation_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n etc._n etc._n for_o that_o he_o have_v not_o faith_n to_o believe_v what_o the_o scripture_n have_v not_o teach_v that_o in_o the_o eucharist_n be_v not_o contain_v the_o body_n of_o christ._n the_o gentleman_n therefore_o can_v have_v no_o faith_n to_o deny_v it_o a_o very_a quaint_a argument_n which_o i_o shall_v dismiss_v with_o a_o parallel_n instance_n he_o that_o have_v not_o faith_n to_o believe_v that_o which_o the_o scripture_n have_v not_o teach_v have_v not_o faith_n to_o deny_v that_o to_o be_v of_o faith_n which_o the_o scripture_n do_v not_o teach_v and_o therefore_o because_o mahometism_n be_v not_o teach_v in_o scripture_n he_o have_v not_o faith_n to_o deny_v it_o but_o this_o spirit_n of_o acuteness_n do_v not_o last_v long_o for_o have_v labour_v to_o find_v 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