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A00273 A dialogue or Familiar talke betwene two neighbours co[n]cernyng the chyefest ceremonyes, that were, by the mighti power of Gods most holie pure worde, suppressed in Englande, and nowe for vnworthines, set vp agayne by the bishoppes, the impes of Antichrist: right learned, profitable, and pleasaunt to be read, for the comfort of weake co[n]sciences in these troublous daies. Read first, and then iudge. 1554 (1554) STC 10383; ESTC S115543 27,807 78

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obstinatie and for filthie lucres sake they teach and maintaine such a detestable estate ▪ so as theues are brent in the hand with an hot irō vnto their ppetual shame so these men are dailie burnt in their conscience witnessing againste them that their doctryne and vnchaste liuing pleaseth not God Therefore Nicholas take hede of them remember the old saying priestes doues makes foule houses Nich. I warrant you for sir Iohn he is as honest a mā for an vnmaried priest and is vengeaunce holy as any is with in this .xx. myle and as good a companion Oliue what call ye an honest man and a good companion A good cōpaniō Nicho. A good fellow that wil kepe company all day at the good ale anst playe his xl pence at dise with anye good felow that commeth Yea I haue knowen him kepe companye two daies two nightes with good felowes ere this Bi god I dare say this for sir Iohn if he wer as wel sene in the chapters of the Bible as he is in the tables dise and cardes by God Oliuer he might reason with the best of them and yet I speake not this because I wold praise him Yea yea I tel ye as litle learning as he hath he is a morren felowe Oliu. Happye are the shepe that haue such a shepherd and the soules that sir Iohn syngeth for Your Alewiues loue him wel I dare say and make much of him Nicho. By Saint Iulian elles wer thei to blame for he is a good customer of theirs and spendeth more siluer among them then ani sixe in our parish I dare wel say The bel toleth I haue lost sacrtng a vengeaunce on it with babling with the. But yet I trust to see my maker daunce about the cuppe I wil runne a pace Oliu. I haue lost al my labour with talkyng wyth him Alas it is pitie to se the plain and simple people thus deluded and brought to suche a miserable case that they embrace lyes in stede of truth and errour and superstition in place of true godlynes and Christian religion But euen this was before prophecyed that Antichrist ii Tes v. the son of perdicion should come by the woorking of Sathan with al lying powers signes and wonders ▪ in al disceiueablenes of vnryghtuousnes among them that perishe because they receiued not the loue of the truthe that they might be saued And therfore god shal send them strong illusion ▪ that thei shuld beleue lies that al they might be dāned which beleue not the truth but had pleasure in vnryghteousnes But our Lorde Iesus Christe will come shortely and with the breath of his mouth destroye that aduersary He shal not be destroied bi swerd zach iiii Apo. xix nor strength of mans power but by the power of god bi the swerd of his word Come Lord Iesus lighten the eies of the blinde conuert the hartes of thy people heale our backeslidinges and treade downe Satan and Antichrist his chaplaines And let thi holye name and woorde euer more and more be magnified among vs Let al true Christen hartes say Amen Amen Finis A DIALOGVE OR COMMVnication for two children or vnlettred folkes profitable and easye to be learned WHo made you God almightie wherof made he you Of the mould of the erth VVhat hathe he done more for you Geuen his sonne for me VVhat is his sonnes name Iesus Christ VVhat is Iesus A Sauiour How hath he saued thee He hath redemed me wherfrō hath he redemed the From sinne death dampnatiō VVherewith redemed he thee VVith his precious bloud VVhat is Christ to say An anoynted VVho anoynted him God the Father VVherwith anoynted he hym VVith the holy ghost why is he called Christ or anointed For he is king hishop prophet Of whom is he Kyng Of al Gods elect VVhat doth he for them Gouerne and defend them VVhat is Christ more Our highe priest and Byshoppe Howe is he priest and Byshop Ordained of God After what order After the order of Melchizedech VVhat sacrifice offred he His own body vpon the crosse what doth he sāctifi bi the offrīg Our consciences frō dead workes VVhat are dead workes Synne and wickednes VVhat is Christ els The great prophet promysed VVhat is a Prophetes offyce To declare the councell of God what coūcel hath Christ declared The gospel of Peace what is the Gospell A preaching of glad tydynges what glad tidynges Forgyuenes of synnes freelye what callest thou freelye It cost them nothing whom cost it then Our Lord Christ what cost it him His blessed hart bloud To whō is forgiuenes preached To al that repent and beleue what must they repent Theyr former euyl lyuyng How must they repent From the botom of their heartes Must we not confesse our syns Yes verely To whom must we confesse thē To God whom we haue offēded Must we not confesse to a priest Yes when nede is when is it neede when we can not otherwyse quiet our consciences wherfore should we go to the priest That he may do his office what is his office To preach the law and the gospel and to absolue vs. why must he preache the lawe To broose oure heartes vnto true repentaunce whi must he preach the gospel To teache vs to flye to Christe to rayse vs. How doth the lawe broose our harts It sheweth vs gods wrath dānation for our sinnes How doth the gospell rayse vs It sheweth our sacrifice and atonement maker Who is that The lābe of god offred for our sins who is that lambe offred Iesus Crist crucified How often was he offred Once for al vpon the crosse who offred hym Himselfe and none other Doth not the prist daili offer him No he dieth no more nor is no more offred Is not the ministratiō of the lords supper a sacrifice It is a memory of Christes sacrifice done on the crosse for vs Can we make no sacrifices to god Yes iii. maner of sacrifices what is the first Praise and thankesgeuing prayer to god How is that called in scripture The fruit of their lips that confesse the Lordes name what is the second sacrifice Almes dede mercy to our neyghbours How is that called A swete smel accepted and pleasing to god what is the third sacrifice Mortifiyng of our carnal lustes and desires what is that named in gods word A liuely acceptable offring to god Can the preist absolue vs from our sinnes Ye if he repent beleue the gospel what if a mā repēt not nor beleue Then the prist cannot absolue him what if he repent and beleue Then the prist cannot bynd him Howe doth the preist bynde and absolue By the preaching of Gods worde what if the prist be ignoraunt of gods word Then is he a blind guide Cannot an ignoraunt prist lead vs Yes into the pitte of hell what must he do that is forgeuen his sinne Bringe fourth worthi fruites of repentaunce what ar worthy fruits of repētāce A godly lyfe amending that he before offended in Geue an example The dronkarde must leaue his dronkennes Another The lechourer must forsake hordō A thirde example The swearer must leaue swearing and honour the holy name of god where learnest thou this In S. Peters epistle the .iii. chapter what saith he Turne from euyll and do good what reward shal thei haue that do so The grace and fauour of God and life euerlasting God graunt vs all to doe so and euer to walke in his truth Amen and thankes to God forthe light of his holy word and gospel Amen
blessed mot he be Oliu. Nicholas ye blesse Christ but you cal his word new learning herisie and babling Nich. Naye that I do not Oliuer Did not you cal the holy readyng of the Byble so euen now Nich. why our sir Iohn telleth vs it was made by king Harry theight Oli. No good Nicholas no. That gratious king set it out and commaūded that the people should reade it without ani letting But the Bible is gods boke and al that is in it is gods truth Therfore the old fathers that we should folow ar Christes prophetes and Apostles and Christ him selfe and not our old grandsires grandames For God geueth an expresse cōmaundement zacha i. saying Be not lyke your forefathers vnto whom the prophets cryed before tyme saying Thus saith the lord god of hostes Turne from your euell waies and from your wicked imaginations they heared not nor toke heede vnto me saieth the Lorde Nich. Our forefathers were good men Olyuer But yet Christ was better Nich. They were wise men Oliu. Yea but yet Christe was wyser Nich. They were holy men Oliue But Christ is holier And what soeuer you can recken of them goodnes i. corin i. wisedome holynes c. Christ excelleth them in al things For he is made of god vnto vs our wisdō rightuousnes holines sanctification Iho. xiiii and redemption Christ is the way the truth and the life and no man can come to the father but by him He that heareth Christes wordes hath life euerlasting But Nicholas tell me cā sir Iohn make an oxe or an horse Nicho. Nay by mi truth I trow not Oli. How can he thē make gods body Nich. It is no matter how we must beleue so for he saith so Olyu Nay Nicholas we must not beleue al that sir Iohn saith but we must beleue all that he saith and hath gods word to confirme his saying And this is an intollerable pride of the papistes to teach the people that thei make gods body Truth it is Eph. iiii that Christ ascending into heauē gaue gyftes vnto men and appoynted church ministers but far other thē greased shauelinges for he apointed Apostles prophetes Euangelistes Shepheardes and teachers Phili. i. And saint Paule calleth the ministers of the church by the names of Bishops and Deacons i. Tim. iii. The office of these ministers appointed by Christ and S. Paul Luk. xiiii is to preach gods word to cal al men to repentaunce and amendement of life Iohn xxi i. Tim. iiii to declare to them that repent the good newes of the gospel Nich. Yea the prests wer wōt to come to our houses to say vs gospels make vs holi water holy bread and so I trust they wil again now Oliue I pray the heare me a litle The gospel is a glad tidings that god the father Luke ii for his sonne Iesus Christes sake ii cori v. is contented and reconciled and receiueth mā againe to his fauour and grace Gala. iiii and wyll for his sonne Iesus Christes loue take vs by adoptiō to be his children Ephesi i. giue vs his holy gost make vs enheritours of eternal life Ioh. xvii And to confirme this promise our Sauiour Iesus Christ hath ordained .ii. holy sacraments Titus iii. Baptisme wherin we are certified that al our sins are washed away in the death of Christ i. corin xi And the holi supper of the lord that when we come together we should take the bread Mat xxvi breake it Mar. xiiii eate it in remembraunce that Christes bodi was vpon the good Fridai offered vp vpō the crosse for our sinnes Luk. xxii and we shoulde al drinke of the cup in rēmembraūce that Christes bloud was shed for our sins Therfore this is the priestes office to preach the death of Iesus Christ and to teach the people to know that none other thing could deliuer them frō their sins and therfore they ought both to consyder the haynous vglines of sin and the great wrath of god ouer it which otherwise wold not be reconciled nor atone with mā Rom. viii Then on the other parte to declare the great mercy loue charitie of god towards vs that spared not his own beloued sōne but gaue him to the death of the cros for vs. Thus shoulde they be moued to repent the euel done to beleue and loue the charitie of God to walke in loue good frendship one to an other euer studying to liue an obedient life after the heauenly fathers wil and commaundementes Nich. Dothe not the priest make Gods bodye Do we not eate gods body Oliu. First answer me if thou can to a question or two Nicho. I wil if I can Oliue Canst thou say thy Creede in Englishe Nicho. Meanest thou the new Creede or the old Crede Oliuer There is but one Creede Nicho. I can saye that my mother taught me Credum deum I was harping at the new a good while but nowe I care not for it Oliue I se it was not for nought that christ said to his Apostles blessed ar the eyes that se that you se Luke x. For euen as then mani were blind and wold not se the light of his worde Iohn ix euen so is it now wel I wil help you out with your question Do you not beleue that the sonne of God came downe from heauen was borne for vs of the virgine Mary takyng our mans nature of her substaūce Nicho. Yes that I do Oliuer And that he was crucified for our sins dead and buried and rose agayne vpon Esterday Nicho. Yes verely Oliu. And that he ascended into heauen ▪ and sitteth on the righte hand of God the father almighti Nicho. Ye mary ye Olyu And frō thence he shall come to iudge the quicke and the dead Nich. Ye mary Olyu Do you beleue this in very dede Nicho. Ye by my trothe Oliuer Then Christes bodye was made in the wombe of the virgin not by sir Iohn but as our Creede saith he was conceaued of the holy gost Luke i. borne of the virgin mari Other making of Christes body ther is none nor neuer was nor neuer shal be Thus our lord sauiour liued in this world August in Ioa. tract Item in pref pī xcviii taught vs the wai of gods truth euē the doctrine that is set out in the holy Byble wherof the chief and principal article is how we are redemed frō our sinnes and receaued into the fauour and grace of God by that holy raunsome of Christes bodye broken vpon the crosse his precious blud that was on the crosse shed for vs. The holy bread geuē at the lordes supper is the sacrament of Christes bodye that was broken on the crosse and the blessed cup that we drincke is the sacrament of that blessed blud shed for our synnes And when we receiue them as our body fedeth vp
This was not spoken of goyng aboute the churche yarde wyth a crosse borne vpon a staffe with a goodly banner cloth but to folow him in our vocation leading a godlye life and as I said patiently suffering the tribulation of this world for his woorde and truthes sake Nicho. Yet it is a good sight to se sir Iohn how he becommeth our best Cope and vpon an hie daye to se al our Copes worne in procession Oliu. why haue ye Copes yet Nich. Yea as saite as euer we had Oliu. were not ye sworen to bring in al such thyngs before the kings cōmissioners Nich. Yea but we brought in two or thre of the worst kept the best behinde stil Oliu. Howe will you excuse your selues of periury Nich. we ar sori that we brought in any at all and as for periurie let god vs deale it Oliu. I am afraid it wil be a miserable dealing when god will arise to iudge the wickednes of so vnfaithful people that nether feareth God nor regarded the othe made by his name nor yet the cōmaundement of their king It wer a much more better sight to se sir Iohn become wel the pulpit and declaring to the people howe to folow Christ in godlines of liuing Nich. what say ye to processiō in gang daies when sir Iohn saith a gospel to our corne feldes Oliu. I say nothing but this ye that haue forsaken to folow god as he commaūdeth shal be left to your self to folow your own inuenciōs And as for your latine gospels tead to the corne I am sure the corne vnderstādeth as much as you therfore hath as much profit bi them as ye haue that is to sai none at al And manye times thys hath bene sene that the Clerke hath left the crosse behinde him and the priest his gospel booke and scant found the righte waye home they haue bene so combred with malt wormes miseled with the spirite of the butterie Trow you that god was not wel pleased wyth thys good Nicholas Nic. I trow so But fare wel Masse wil be don or I come Oliu. It makes no matter for one day I wil read the a peece of the scripture in steede of thy Masse Nich. I care not for the scripture and sir Iohn bad me beware of it for it wold make me an heritique Oliuer Sir Iohn then readeth not the Scripture Ncho No he saith he wil meddle no further then his portas Oli. The Scripture is gods word ii Pete i. opened to vs from heauen by the holy prophetes Apostles and Christ him selfe Psal cxix it is the light to our feete candel to our foote steppes Psal xix it is the law of life vndefiled and holy conuerting soules it teacheth al things ii Tim. iii that is good perfect rightwise holy to make the man of God perfect vnto all good woorkes Psalm i. He is blessed that studieth in it day and night but sir Iohns owlish eies can not abide it And as for his portas ther is in it a meany of lies craftili cloined to deceiue such vnstable soules as delight in blindnes deceiued thē selues and deceiuing other Nich. By our Ladye sir Iohn is a good priest say what ye list Oliu. Is sir Iohn maried Nich. Nay Mariage he crieth phie on that Oliu. what was the mater that sir Iohn was afore the Shriefe of the shire a while a go Nich. A naughty queane slandred him Oliu. wherwith Nicho. She had a childe in an old baren laied it to the priests charge that he begot it Oliuer Thinckest thou it was not a slaunder of truth Nich. Tushe if it were hys it was but a course of kinde Oliu. Had it not ben better sir Iohn had dad a wife of his owne as S. Paule saieth to auoide fornication let euery man haue a wife of his own ii cor vii and euery woman her owne husband Nich. what should priestes do with wiues Let thē fast and pray as theirfore fathers did liue chast Oli. Chast as sir Iohn doth Nic. Tush he was shriuen or he went to mas it was wel inough Ol. Nicholas I could sai somwhat of the vnwedded priests chastiti tel the many preti histories how holili the foxes abstaine frō snatching of goseflesh as oft as thei mai come to it But as S. Paule saith Ephesi v. it is shame to speake those thinges that thei do for such thīgs sake cōmeth the wrath of god vpō the childrē of vnbelefe althoughe ye make a tushing at it i. Cor. vii despice the holye state of wedlocke in those priests that be maried Yet do their folow the cōmaundement of God who cōmaundeth that euery man haue his own wife euery woman her own husband to the auoiding of whooredome And agayne Gods worde sayeth If they can not abstayne let them marrye for it is better to marrye then to bourne And againe Saint Paule saith as concerning virgins i. Tes iiii I haue no cōmaundement of the Lord. And againe This is the wil of god euen that you shuld be holy that ye should abstaine frō fornication Heb. xiii that euery one of you shuld know how to kepe his vessel in holines honor not in the lust of cōcupiscence as do the Hethen which know not god And again he saith wedlocke is to be had in honor among al mē the bed vndefiled for whoore kepers aduouterers god wil iudge Nic. This was spoken of men but sir Iohn is a priest Oliu. He is no angel nor yet stock not stone as apeareth by the preti babe But Nicholas is not mariage an holi thing Nic. Yes that is it prests tel vs it is one of the .vii. sacramentes Oliu. And is not priesthode holi also Nich. God forbid els Oliu. How chaūceth that holi priesthode holy mariage cā not agre together no better Nich. By mi truth mā I cannot tel Oli. I wil tel the. S. Paul saith the sprit speketh euidentlye i. Tim. iiii that in the latter daies some shal depart from the faithe and shall geue heede vnto spirites of errour dyuelish doctryne of thē whych speake false thorow hipocrisie and haue their consciences marcked with an hot yron forbidding to mary and cōmaunding to abstain from meates which god hath created to be receiued with geuing thanks of thē which beleue know the truth Here may al men that wilfulli are not blynde perceiue and see from whēce our prests wiueles life that condempne Matrimonie maintaine so hily their single life falsly named chastitie commeth euen from spirites of erroure from the deuil him self who with that holy snare hath drawē mani a thousand of soules into most beastlye and filthie liuing And this the hipocrites know well inoughe For their owne conscience is a witnes againste them that they liue not al chast but yet though thei know the truth of a set malise and