Selected quad for the lemma: truth_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
truth_n	believe_v	lie_n	love_n	3,604	5	5.1459	4	true

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A19033	The plea for infants and elder people, concerning their baptisme, or, A processe of the passages between M. Iohn Smyth and Richard Clyfton wherein, first is proved, that the baptising of infants of beleevers, is an ordinance of God, secondly, that the rebaptising of such, as have been formerly baptised in the apostate churches of Christians, is utterly unlawful, also, the reasons and objects to the contrarie, answered : divided into two principal heads, I. Of the first position, concerning the baptising of infants, II. Of the second position, concerning the rebaptising of elder people.	Clyfton, Richard, d. 1616.	1610 (1610)	STC 5450; ESTC S1572	214,939	244

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which_o i_o contend_v for_o may_v not_o by_o my_o weak_a defence_n bear_v any_o reproach_n but_o that_o which_o be_v fault_n worthy_a let_v it_o return_v upon_o my_o head_n and_o do_v also_o earnest_o pray_v that_o he_o that_o have_v thus_o write_v and_o both_o he_o and_o they_o that_o so_o practice_v may_v serious_o consider_v of_o that_o which_o be_v do_v and_o glorify_v god_n by_o repentance_n march_n 14._o 1608._o rich_a clifton_n mr._n smyth_n in_o the_o next_o place_n you_o make_v answer_v to_o my_o last_o argument_n which_o may_v be_v frame_v into_o this_o form_n as_o the_o false_a ministry_n &_o worship_n be_v reject_v &_o the_o contrary_a true_a church_n and_o ministry_n assume_v so_o the_o false_a worship_n and_o by_o consequence_n the_o false_a baptism_n must_v be_v renounce_v etc._n etc._n although_o all_o that_o be_v mention_v here_o be_v take_v away_o in_o the_o former_a discourse_n yet_o it_o shall_v not_o be_v amiss_o to_o annexe_v something_o for_o the_o further_o 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