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A86482	Certain queres modestly (though plainly) propounded to such as affect the congregational-way, and specially to Master Samuel Eaton and Mr. Timothy Taylor. With an epistle also directed to them concerning their late book intituled A defence of sundry positions, &c. / By Richard Hollingworth, Mancuniensis.	Hollingworth, Richard, 1607-1656.	1646 (1646)	Wing H2488; Thomason E316_16; ESTC R200531; ESTC R233855	20,720	31

of doth warrant any one of the said Inhabitants to take as many good stones as he can come by out of this that and the other Neighbours houses concerning which they gave no such commandment Your not bringing a more punctual and pertinent proof argues either an implicite confession of the Truth of my Answer or inability to oppugne it A little after you discover too much willingnesse to quarrel at my Expressions Pag. 6. l. 20 25. wherein you say I would suggest that you make Opposition to Magistracy But doth not Master Weld a Congregational man when Master Rathband chargeth Independents to hold that Christians may and ought to set up new Churches and practise in them all Gods Ordinances without the consent of a Christian state yea against their peremptory commands and established Laws and in the midst and against the minde of such Churches as they freely acknowledge the true Churches of God say of this Article No Pen can expresse a greater latitude of Opposition against Magistracy and Laws and Churches too then he affirms to be in us Do not I use his own words Print them in a different Character cite him in the Margent which citation you for what ends you know best leave out as you do many others should you not blame Master Weld or your selves rather then me This is but one example of many And whereas according to rule and reason he that affirms that such a Scripture holds forth such a Position must prove it You have a faculty and make much use of it when I shew you where the proof of the Position from the Text alleaged is defective and require you to supply that defect to turn it over to me to prove the contrary As 1 Cor. 16.1 when I say the Churches of Galatia might for ought you alleage to the contrary be combined one to another The substance of your Answer to this passage is Without proof we cannot grant them id est Combinations of Churches in Galatia And that you may more plausibly put the businesse off your selves you leave out the words For ought you alleage to the contrary Finally because charges of you for your indirect dealings without instances to make them good are but weak and Instances of the several kindes would too much enlarge this Epistle I will now omit them And yet one thing being a great wrong to me and to the Truth of God I cannot passe by viz. That you oftimes curtal and clip my Answers and Arguments not onely the Supplement which yet in a large Answer to a little Book in a Twelve-moneths time is scarce allowable being in my close stile very little but also part of the substance and strength of them sometimes folding them up in obscure c. where you know they cannot be read sometimes omitting them with a censure as the seven particulars in Pos 24. lest the Reader had you transcribed them should have expected an Answer sometimes not giving any hint or intimation of any thing omitted For example to omit the other places for if they were all transcribed they would augment this Epistle in sundry pages though my whole Examination your Positions deducted scarcely amounts to thirteen Leaves Out of my Examination of Pos 6. a main passage viz. Gods Covenanting with Abraham did not impose nor suppose an expresse vocal Covenant on Abrahams part c. And out of my Examination of Pos 7. the principal part of my Answer It is not said that they gave themselves to the Church or Churches but to us viz. Paul and Timothy c. And out of my Examination Pos 22. my whole Answer to Revel 4.14 are by an Index Expurgatorius quite blotted out Brethren let me with love and meeknesse reason with you Do not you when you finde the shaddow of such dealing in me much complain of it Is it not one errour under the Sun and a great one too in men and perhaps in some good men that they will strive for victory rather then truth Do not you omit that which you know to be pertinent while you transcribe and largely Answer some thing lesse pertinent You know many will read your Reply that possibly will never see my Answer and would you make them to beleeve that to those Scriptures alleaged in the Position and published by my self I should Answer either nothing at all or no more or otherwise then you set them down that they may account me not onely weak as I am but ridiculous Is this the fault of the Printer who hath committed few other Errata's and left out I suppose none of your Reply or is it your fault who say in your Epistle You think I will confesse your candor Surely Either the Printer or the Publisher have not delt kindly nor candidly but deceitfully with me and the Reader Cannot your cause or some particular of it be maintained without such dealing Is this the way to clear manifestly the Positions and Scriptures to be sufficient pertinent and full of power by leaving out the Examination of them in whole or in part Thus I have signified unto you some of those plain things which at the first reading of your Book appreared to me and have also sent you some Queres prepared and shewed to some of your Brethren and possibly to one or both of you before the coming out of your Reply and little altered since beseeching you to hold out your way as you say you are able by giving not subtile onely but solid Scriptural or Rational Answers to them all as they respectively do require and not to take and leave where you list nor seeing you know Quaestie quaestionem non selvit to return Antiqueries much lesse censures in stead of Answers which notwithstanding if you shall do I shall if God thereunto assist and his cause and the necessity of the Church do require endeavour to Answer when you have first answered these Queres as also rejoyn to your Reply and that within the time Geometrically proportionable to the time you took in Replying with more mildenesse clearnesse and candor then you as by this short Epistle every wise Reader will easily see have used in your Book The God of Truth and Peace be with you and your loving Brother R. H. November 29. 1645. Some Quere's mildely and modestly propounded to such as affect the Congregational-way WHether to be wise and holy above or without the Rule be not folly prophanenesse and presumption Are not unscriptural wayes of procuring and preserving Church-purity as bad as voluntary humility and will-worship Are not humane inventions in Gods worship imposed by a Congregation upon her Members or freely observed by them as opposite to the second Commandment at leastwise in respect of the things themselves as if the Parliament or Assembly had imposed or should impose or observe them Are not such humane inventions as are unjustly pretended to be Gods Ordinances so much the more detestable to God and godly wise men and more unlawful

CERTAIN QUERES Modestly though plainly Propounded to such as affect the Congregational-way And specially To Master Samuel Eaton and Mr. Timothy Taylor WITH AN EPISTLE Also directed to them Concerning their late Book Intituled A Defence of sundry Positions c. BY Richard Hollinworth Mancuniensis You shall not turn aside to the right hand or to the left Deut. 5. If they speak not according to this Word it is because there is no light in them Isai 8.20 If the light that is in thee be darknesse how great is that darknesse Matth. 6. London Printed by Ruth Raworth for Luke Fawn and are to be sold at the signe of the Parrot in Pauls Church-yard 1646. THE EPISTLE Reverend and beloved Brethren I Have perused your defence lately Printed which how able or unable to justifie Independency or to vindicate the Positions and Scriptures time may discover At present I have these few things to advertise you of First you charge me with provoking you to be my Antagonists in Print a In the Epistle from which I was so far that when others rather then my self thought fit the Examination of sundry Scriptures c. which for the most part was an Answer to some Allegations as they were privately made to me for satisfaction should be Printed I gave special charge that neither my own name nor the name of Manchester much lesse the name of other persons and places should be inserted at length in or before the Book though some few Copies came out otherwise lest I should seem either to provoke persons or reveal secrets The deep and heavy charge as you call it b in the first part of my Preface against misinterpretation of Scripture as a belying of God counterfeiting the King of Kings hand c. Though I now see how I have sped I repent not of nor see I cause why you should repine at it or complain of it if you have clearly manifested as in your Title page you say you have the Positions and Scriptures alleaged for your Church-way and by me examined to be sufficient pertinent and full of power And yet I finde my self deeply and heavily charged by you To deprave places to blot and blur sweet humble spirited holy pertinent expressions to wrong the Elders of N. E. to wrest allegations c. Yea though I said I will not tell you who said All the Church is holy ye take too much upon you Yet you think it not unworthy my serious consideration Whether it might not be said to me as sometimes Christ said to one of the twelve when he asked Master Is it I and he answered Thou hast said c Psa 85.15 a bitter personal invective What is your beloved brother your good brother as a Judas or Corah Dathan c I hope in this to say no more we neither are nor shall be Brethren and desire an humble modest Christian Contestation with you which are in your own phrase my Antagonists in Print in this grave controversie and withall calmly to consider what I spake in relation to your cause not to any person whether investing non-Elders with Ministerial power placing Church power in the body of the Congregation and complaining of the Elders that rule over them in the Lord for taking too much upon them be not the gain-saying of Corah a sin of the new as well as of the old Testament Whereof if I be guilty I justly bear this reproach if not you have much wronged me but God hath sent you to do it from whom I deserve much worse though not from you any evil The usual occasion of your censures of depraving places c. is a wide I hope not a willing mistake in you and not any iniquity in my hands or heart You expect the Positions and Scriptures alleaged to agree fully and exactly with the places cited in the Margent which I neither professed nor intended nor could effect without some in mine opinion unfitting alterations of them as they were alleaged to me But on the contrary for evidence that I followed another rule then the Printed Books as at the first coming out of my Book I advertised one of your Brethren I sometimes alleaged no Book at all even where you know I might as Pos 4. Other times that by comparing Arguments that otherwise came to hand with the Printed Books I might probably intimate from whence they were taken and also evidence the truth of what I said in my Preface That Independency for the most part produceth the same Texts in Print which she did in Preaching Writing and Conference I alleaged Printed Books the By-standers mentioned in the Preface with these or the like clauses See your own Defence p. 1 13 14 46 78 90. See almost the same Argument verbatim The like you have This though not so fully This seems to be taken out of These Scriptures are alleaged though not with such tartnesse c. And sometimes I alleaged for one Position the second for example two or three Printed Books differing possibly more then in phrase one from another which are so evident signes that I tyed not my self to the Printed Books that I cannot but wonder that you did not observe it which had you done you needed not to have fought so earnestly and frequently with your own fiction for if it be acknowledged that the Scriptures alleaged witnesse no such thing as they are produced for whether they be in Printed Books or no I as I told you in my Preface have my full end You have also either to bring an odium upon me or the cause I plead sprinkled here and there both unlovingly and unnecessarily some secret intimations of affecting Prelacy whereas I in the worst times was not so much or no more Prelatical then the greatest and godliest Independents in the Kingdom if not at least one of you have been though what ever I was or am that is no Answer to my Arguments nor do I plead the cause of Prelacy which we have Covenanted to endeavour to the utmost to extirpate But of the Government of the Reformed Churches which we have Covenanted to defend against the common enemy maintained by godly learned men our betters known opposers of Prelacy which have obtained a good report in Manchester and the parts about it viz. Master Burn of Manchester Master Gosnol of Boulton Master Fleetwood of Wigan both Master Midsley's of Rachdal Master Storer of Stockport Master Hildersham of Ashby Master Herring of Shrowesbury Master Ball of Whitmore Master John Paget to omit his Brother Master Thomas Paget and multitudes of others now alive Master Hunt of Oldham Master Rathband of Cockey Master Gee of Newton Master ●ilecoat of Stretford c. Nor is the Presbyterian-way a Prelatical-way but a Social-way as between Friends Colleagues Confederates Brethren where all judge and all are judged all things done communi consilio where no Congregation is above another Congregation no Minister above another Minister though the major part