Selected quad for the lemma: truth_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
truth_n	believe_v	know_v	scripture_n	4,632	5	6.0584	4	true

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A93884	The second part of the duply to M.S. alias Two brethren. Wherein are maintained the Kings, Parliaments, and all civil magistrates authority about the Church. Subordination of ecclesiasticall judicatories. Refuted the independency of particular congregations. Licentiousnesse of wicked conscience, and toleration of all sorts of most detestable schismes, heresies and religions; as, idolatry, paganisme, turcisme, Judaisme, Arrianisme, Brownisme, anabaptisme, &c. which M.S. maintain in their book. With a brief epitome and refutation of all the whole independent-government. Most humbly submitted to the Kings most excellent Majestie. To the most Honorable Houses of Parliament. The most Reverend and learned Divines of the Assembly. And all the Protestant churches in this island and abroad. By Adam Steuart. Octob. 3. 1644. Imprimatur Ja: Cranford.; Duply to M.S. alias Two brethren. Part 2.	Steuart, Adam.	1644 (1644)	Wing S5491; Thomason E20_7; ESTC R2880	197,557	205

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principal_o the_o representative_a church_n in_o presbytery_n class_n synod_n 2._o by_o the_o word_n subordination_n must_v be_v mean_v a_o subordination_n of_o power_n and_o judgement_n 3._o by_o power_n must_v be_v mean_v a_o moral_a ecclesiastical_a imperative_a and_o ministerial_a power_n in_o judge_v command_v and_o inflict_v of_o spiritual_a punishment_n only_o and_o not_o a_o imperial_a magisterial_a or_o royal_a power_n whereby_o the_o church_n may_v command_v in_o a_o domineer_a way_n or_o compel_v man_n body_n or_o punish_v they_o by_o inflict_v any_o corporal_a punishment_n on_o they_o or_o impose_v any_o pecuniary_a mulct_n as_o the_o independent_o most_o crafty_o go_v about_o to_o persuade_v the_o world_n the_o independent_o than_o deny_v that_o there_o be_v any_o church_n furnish_v with_o any_o authoritative_a or_o imperative_a power_n save_v only_o the_o parishional_a or_o to_o speak_v in_o their_o own_o term_n the_o congregationall_a church_n and_o therefore_o they_o 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subordination_n of_o ecclesiastical_a judicatories_n and_o presbyterian_a government_n whether_o it_o be_v juris_fw-la divini_fw-la or_o humani_fw-la as_o if_o some_o of_o they_o esteem_v it_o to_o be_v juris_fw-la divini_fw-la other_o juris_fw-la humani_fw-la ecclesiastici_fw-la other_o juris_fw-la naturalis_fw-la other_o partim_fw-la juris_fw-la divini_fw-la partim_fw-la naturalis_fw-la aut_fw-la mixti_fw-la 2._o he_o say_v that_o a.s._n contradict_v himself_o in_o the_o same_o manner_n for_o refutation_n whereof_o i_o need_v not_o but_o to_o propound_v our_o opinion_n which_o be_v thus_o 1._o all_o the_o presbyterian_a discipline_n and_o special_o subordination_n of_o ecclesiastical_a judicatories_n quoad_fw-la essentialia_fw-la aut_fw-la substantialia_fw-la in_o its_o essential_a part_n be_v juris_fw-la divini_fw-la aut_fw-la naturalis_fw-la i._n e._n authorise_a by_o god_n divine_a law_n or_o by_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n 2._o presbyterian_a discipline_n quoad_fw-la accidentalia_fw-la &_o circumstantialia_n i._n e._n in_o its_o accidental_a or_o circumstantial_a part_n it_o may_v be_v juris_fw-la humani_fw-la neither_o believe_v i_o that_o there_o be_v any_o great_a dispute_n among_o we_o and_o the_o independent_o about_o these_o position_n unless_o m.s._n make_v it_o neither_o know_v i_o what_o can_v anger_v he_o in_o all_o this_o save_v only_o this_o that_o we_o give_v he_o no_o subject_n of_o quarrel_v we_o it_o may_v be_v and_o it_o seem_v that_o he_o find_v fault_n with_o the_o first_o proposition_n wherein_o i_o say_v it_o be_v either_o juris_fw-la divini_fw-la aut_fw-la naturalis_fw-la and_o that_o he_o will_v have_v no_o doctrine_n of_o faith_n or_o discipline_n that_o be_v juris_fw-la naturalis_fw-la i._n e._n ground_v on_o the_o light_n of_o nature_n but_o 1._o what_o if_o the_o scripture_n presuppose_v the_o truth_n of_o some_o principle_n know_v by_o nature_n dare_v he_o reject_v they_o 2._o some_o of_o they_o be_v as_o certain_a as_o 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church_n be_v schismatical_a for_o some_o diversity_n of_o opinion_n for_o that_o belong_v rather_o to_o heresy_n then_o to_o schism_n nor_o 2._o that_o it_o be_v a_o schism_n because_o that_o it_o be_v tolerate_v or_o not_o tolerate_v for_o toleration_n be_v a_o consequent_a of_o schism_n and_o extrinsecall_v to_o it_o the_o true_a reason_n wherefore_o it_o be_v a_o schism_n and_o they_o schismatical_a be_v because_o it_o be_v a_o breach_n of_o charity_n in_o that_o they_o separate_v themselves_o from_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o true_a church_n yea_o and_o from_o all_o the_o true_a church_n in_o the_o world_n both_o in_o sacramental_a communion_n and_o that_o of_o discipline_n neither_o be_v it_o a_o schism_n because_o that_o it_o be_v a_o separation_n from_o presbyterial_a church_n precise_o under_o the_o notion_n of_o presbyterial_a but_o of_o true_a and_o orthodox_n church_n which_o press_v they_o no_o way_n to_o be_v actor_n in_o any_o thing_n against_o their_o conscience_n 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the_o which_o assertion_n howsoever_o i_o confess_v it_o to_o be_v true_a de_fw-la hominibus_fw-la viatoribus_fw-la yet_o can_v i_o not_o believe_v it_o to_o be_v true_a de_fw-fr angelis_n viatoribus_fw-la and_o much_o less_o de_fw-fr angelis_n aut_fw-la hominibus_fw-la comprehensoribus_fw-la m._n s._n shall_v have_v do_v better_a to_o have_v answer_v my_o reason_n that_o i_o bring_v there_o pag._n 21._o then_o so_o against_o the_o light_n of_o his_o conscience_n to_o scratch_v at_o a_o know_a truth_n neither_o can_v i_o believe_v he_o to_o be_v so_o ignorant_a as_o not_o to_o know_v and_o acknowledge_v the_o truth_n of_o it_o in_o himself_o however_o out_o of_o desire_n of_o contestation_n he_o manifest_v the_o contrary_a but_o m._n s._n to_o the_o end_n he_o seem_v not_o altogether_o impertinent_a prove_v it_o by_o a_o argument_n take_v ab_fw-la exemplo_fw-la or_o by_o a_o imperfect_a induction_n if_o it_o be_v not_o a_o pari_fw-la or_o from_o they_o altogether_o i_o can_v believe_v 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