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A62434 A letter sent to Mr. Henry Stubbe wherein the Galenical method & medicaments, as likewise bloud-letting in particular, are offered to be proved ineffectual or destructibve to mankind, by experimental demonstrations : also his answer thereunto by letter / on which animadversions are made by Geo. Thomson, Dr. of physick ; by whom is added a vindication of his stomach-essence, or alexi-stomachon and other really-powerful remedies, from the malicious slanders and active ignorance of the Galenists. Thomson, George, 17th cent.; Stubbe, Henry, 1632-1676. Mr. Stubbe's answer. 1672 (1672) Wing T1025; ESTC R32804 28,813 33

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Pul. Pestifug Tinctur Emetic Pulv. Emeto Cathar Pil. Emeto Cathar Tinctur Polyace Potio nostra Cardia Tinctur Alexiter c. We shall hereby detect whether Van Helmont ought to be esteemed an Intelligent person in Physick a person of credit or a man of practice although you rashly impeach him of the contrary Adde to this whether I can make an Experiment against which your bare Negative will never prevail that you are a most egregious notorious Lastly it will be disclosed who the Galenists or true Philosophical Chymists properly deserve the scurrilous names you throw upon us as Mountebanks Quack-salvers c. If you fly to poor shifts or trivial excuses obstinately refusing these prudential sober serious and candid wayes of informing our selves and others experimentally for the ease of their Griefs If you Apostatize from what you have positively expressed in Pag. 22. before recited and several other places of your Discourse I have advisedly determined to put your Reply into a Retort severly to prove what Metal the Brethren of the Good Old Cause are made of whether they be not over-valu'd by opinionated persons who oftentimes respect a glittering gilded outside rather then an intrinsecal value Hereupon I shall make known if so be multitude of Patients be any solid Argument as you would have it that Ergo the Galenists must needs be the best Practitioners in Physick sith then Sir Richard Barker and others such like frequented by a numerous company of all sorts of sick people must by necessity of the same Reason be reckoned amongst the best Physicians In conclusion we shall by the Magical Power of this Pyrotechnie finde out who are worthily censured Pretenders to this excellent Art Farewel may you so prosper as you favour this Heroick Experimental Enterprise The POSTSCRIPT SIR IF you please to forbear your Viperous words till an opportune season of procuring Vipers and then to admit that we fall to our Work of making Experiments who of us can most skilfully and expeditely Cure himself bitten by a Viper afterwards to proceed to Essayes in the like manner upon others wherein if you get the Victory after frequent repetition of this kinde I shall freely acknowledge your relation of the Effects of the biting of a Viper and the Cure thereof to be taken notice of as Strange otherwise I shall esteem it so vulgar that an old Woman any whit versed herein would scorn to have suffered the sad symptoms of this poysoned Poor Man to continue so long or new and strange ones to appear some days after From Dukes-place in Shoomakers-row nigh Alga●e Geo. Thomson An inclosed Note sent with the Letter SIR I Expect a speedy Answer from your voluble Pen either that you will retract your falsities you have venditated against this Noble Chymical Science the faithful Assertors thereof or that you will give way that I may demonstrate by real performances the verity of our Philosophical Tenents And look what measure of Ingenuity Candor Sincerity or Civility I receive from any Galenists the same I shall endeavour to retribute to him duplicated If you deny me this becoming modest request then blame me not if I seek for a Remedie where I can best finde it Yours G. T. Mr. Stubbe's Answer SIR SInce I have been so happy as to meet with your Letter as soon as it arrived and that my present leisure is such that I may read it over and imploy an hour in answering it lest my self should create in you an opinion of my incivility or furnish your arrogance with materials for an imaginary triumph If you consider the language you have used indefinitely against those Physicians called Galenists and that method of practice which the Edicts of so many Emperours assure us to have been heretofore beneficial and which the happy experience of so many judicious persons during so many Ages and the successfulness whereof in my own practice hath endear'd unto me under the Character of the prosperous as well as rational If you consider this you cannot complain of any incivility in my Writings nor complain of any indignity put upon you since your general deportment and particular contumelies against me do sufficiently vindicate me to any indifferent persons If Mr. Dover told you that he expostulated with or reproved me for any thing in relation to you I conceive our discourse is represented otherwise then it really was I remember no such passages nor did he express himself as your friend but as your acquaintance I did tell him though I cannot set down the particular words that I would not have written against you now but that I was importuned thereunto by some eminent Physicians of the Colledge who had rendred me so considerable a support against the malice of those most disingenuous and barbarous Vertuosi that I ought not to refuse them so small and inconsiderable an acknowledgement He might have told you with what contempt I look'd on your book against me I thought my self unconcern'd in that Rhapsody made up of Ignorance Impertinence and Vntruth As little did I value your Treatise of Phlebotomy wherein as I was not particularly interessed so I thought the publick Method of Physick could receive no prejudice by such a despicable Pamphlet the language whereof was not to be comprehended by the illiterate nor the sense by any mortal Vpon this account it was that I expressed my unwillingness to meddle with you and no other But the judgement of more intelligent persons did over-sway me they told me of the growth of the Helmontian principles amongst the ignorant and indiscreet Novellists that some Vertuosi did abet the opinion which disswades Phlebotomy and that even Truth was sometimes over-born by noise and a crowd and I my self thought it an illegal and intolerable procedure for you to advance the Baconical Ignoramus's to a Iudicature wherein our Law hath placed the prudent and learned Colledge of Physicians You see now that there is little of advantage to be derived unto you from my unwillingness to encounter you and I must tell you that I was no way hired or mercenarily engaged to do what I did All that know me can ascertain you that I am not a man of such principles and this is an untruth which if Glanvile or any other Virtuoso suggested unto you you did ill to believe so notorious Lyers It is also necessary that I tell you that Sir Alexander Frasier neither incited me against you nor knew of the undertaking nor understood of the Dedication until he saw the printed Book the Epistolary Treatise was writ unto another though afterwards entitled unto that excellent and learned Physician What Truth there is in the account you give of your self I know not all that I can collect from the Character my learned Patron gave you is that you were once a proficient in Literature during your being at School and if Dr. Terne or any of the Colledge had ever any favourable opinion of your abilities as I know not