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A84741 Truths vindication of election, and reprobation Wherein is shewed, Christ the cause of election; sin the cause of reprobation. The iustice of God is likewise cleared from that which is layd upon him by many; (namely) that some shall one day be damned for unbelief, and yet he never gave a Christ for them to beleeve in. Most of the strongest objections that scriptures or reason can make, answered. By William Fouler minister of the gospel at Ingworth in Norffolk. Fowler, William, minister of Ingworth, Norfolk. 1652 (1652) Wing F1639; Thomason E1376_4; ESTC R209255 16,436 44

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Truths Vindication OF Election and Reprobation Wherein is shewed CHRIST the cause of Election Sin the cause of Reprobation The Iustice of God is likewise cleared from that which is layd upon him by many namely That some shall one day be damned for Unbelief and yet he never gave a CHRIST for them to beleeve in Most of the strongest Objections that Scriptures or Reason can make Answered By WILLIAM FOULER Minister of the Gospel at Ingworth in Norffolk Try all things hold fast that which is good God is not willing that any should perish but come to life and be saved For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth saith the Lord God Wherefore turn your selves and live ye London Printed for the Author and are to be sold by Thomas Mathews at the Cock in Pauls Church-yard 1652. The Epistle to the Reader Courteous Reader THat which causeth me to bring forth these few lines to publique view is these Reasons First to clear the gracious God so far as he hath enabled me of Heaven and Earth from that which poor dark creature lay upon him which is that he will as most say condemn some one day for not believing in his Son Christ and yet never gave a Christ for them to believe in but without reference to sin or transgression hath left most of the sons and daughters of men from all eternity in a perishing condition Secondly I have published this because poor sinners may see there is mercy yet for them in Gospel-declarations what the Gospel speaks it is truth there being in God no contrary desire or end Thirdly that those soules which find experimentally these truths of God within them they might advance the glory of God and the riches of his Grace in Jesus Christ and walk up unto him with holy lives and conversations Fourthly to satisfie severall Christian friends which are importunate that others may feed of the same Bunches of Grapes as they do that they may long after that spiritual Canaan which bears sweet fruits giving forth its fruit in due season My desire is that all to whom this small peece shall come they would with a single eye weigh what is layd down for Grounds and how proved I know it will be under the censure of some but it matters not it is not he who man approves but whom God approveth the spirituall will be able to judge of it And thus Reader I commit thee to the great God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ desiring this may be profitable for the comfort of thy soul Resting Thine in every Office of the Gospel WILLIAM FOWLER Truths Vindication OF Election and Reprobation GOd the Father hath been pleased to make forth himself a God of great love to Mankind having bowels of compassion to poor sinners tenders of Mercy towards them when the creature durst not look the Father in the face having sinned against him I mean when we were in Adam he being a publique man that is the whole Creation being in him his sin became ours Rom. 5. 18. and we became noxious before the Father and in a naked condition sewing Fig-leaves together to cover us In this estate did the Fathers great love appear by sending of his Son Jesus Christ to Redeem these poor fallen ones Iohn 3. 16. God so loved the World that he gave his onely begotten Sonne that whosoever beleeveth should not perish but have everlasting life Quest Did Christ redeem all those that were last in Adam Answ Yea Rom. 5 18 So likewise then as by the sin of one condemnation Thus Mr. Tindales translation reads it came on all men even so by the Justifying of one cometh the righteousness that bringeth life upon all men That is Christ being Justified and Righteous did undergo for the lump of Mankind bearing that was due unto man in his own body Isa 53. 4. He hath borne our griefs And upon this accompt he brought life upon all that is by his sufferings did satisfie divine Justice a Isa 53. 11. for the sin that Adam brought upon us whereby life came in I say by his death came life as many as dyed in the first Adam are made alive in the last Adam 1 Cor. 5. 22. 2 Cor. 5. 14 15. Quest But it is commonly sayd that it were just with God to take and cast into hell so soon as they are born into the World Answ I say that punishment which was due unto us by the sin of the first Adam is taken away by the death of the second Adam Heb. 9. 15. That by the meanes of death for the redemption of the Transgressions that were under the first Testament compared 2 Pet. 1. 9. Now if any say damnation in hell shall be given for Adams sin I demand where that Scripture is to be found Quest But is it not said by David that he was shapen in iniquity and in sin his mother conceived him Ps 51. 5 And we are by nature the children of wrath Eph. 2. 3. And Job querieth Job 14. 4. Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean therfore sure there is original sin Answ David I suppose speaks of the sin of his mother he speaketh not of damnation neither doth Paul nor Iob. But the blessed Apostle Paul saith Ephes 2. 23. They were by nature the children of wrath that was when they walked according to the course of the world when they walked acording to the Prince of the air when their conversation was after the flesh fulfilling the desires of the flesh and mind In this estate he all that are such actors are the children of wrath now untill the creature cometh to maturity they cannot walk according to the course of the World or the Prince of the air these cannot fulfill the lusts of the flesh and mind So that you see this maketh not for damnation as being simply born into the World neither doth that blessed man Job affirm any such thing I will not deny but that we by nature are unclean and stand in opposition against God but there is of God given forth to the creature through Christ to change nature and to bring the soul home to himself as I shall shew afterwards By this I hope you see that none shall perish for Adams sin take some ground from Scripture Ezek. 18. 4. 20. nay most of the Chapter is to this purhose Object But God saith in the 20 Exod. 5. That he will visit the sins of the father upon the children unto the third and fourth generation Ans I grant it but see the same Text telleth you who they are they are the haters of God that is if the father and the son are both haters of God both dye for it but he vvill shew mercy on thousands that love him the 18 of Ezek. doth clear this Quest But if this be so then all children that die in their infancy are saved Answ It may well be so concluded upon for I do not
finde any condemnation in Hell fire but for refusing Christ the Kingdom of God being made up of children Mark 10. 14. Quest Sure it cannot he that Christ should dye for every man and woman in the world for then all should be saved or some may have sin pardoned and be damned which would be absurd to affirm or if it were the intent of the Father that his Son should dye for all to save them and all not be saved then the Fathers ends were frustrate which could not nor cannot be Answ That Christ dyed for all and every man and woman in the world these Scriptures will make it appear Heb. 2. 9. He tasted death for every man 1 John 29. for the world 1 John 2. 2 1 Tim. 2. 6. Rom. 5 18. By these it is evident that he layd down his life for the whole lump of Mankind and whereas you say that then all shall be saved I demand where that Scripture can be found that all that Christ dyed for shall be saved this is but an Argument that flesh and blood maketh for it is evident that some which Christ dyed for shall perish those which deny him 2 Pet. 2. 1. Even denying the Lord that bought them Now either Christ did buy them or he did not buy them if he did then is the thing granted which I labour to prove if he did not then what means this Scripture further Whereas then you say sin may be pardoned and yet the creature perish which would be absurd I say it is no absurdity to say that Christ hath taken away sin nay it was the first doctrin Paul and Peter did preach to unbeleevers 1 Cor. 15. 3. Acts 3. the last verse Luke last 47. Repentance and Remission of sins should be preached in the name of Christ And is it to be thought that all those to whom Repentance and Remission of sins were preached did beleeve Surely no for he saith Rom. 10. 16. Who hath beleeved our report with the Prophet Esay 53. 1. And most sure it is that the blessed Apostles did not preach forgiveness of sins from qualifications if you will do so or such things then Christ will pardon but he or they preached what Christ had done And this was the issue that whosoever beleeveth are justified from all things Acts 13. 39. Not onely from Adams transgression but from all things Now Christ did take away the sin of Adam from al as hath been shewed And he that beleeveth not shall be damned And for that of the Fathers intent in sending his son to die for all to save them if not saved then his ends were frustrated Consider this was the ultimate end of the Fathers sending of his Son John 3. 16. That whosoever beleeveth should be saved he never intended that those which refuse and rebell and spurn at Grace and the Gospel should be saved And would it not be as absurd to say that the Fathers intents are frustrated by waiting patiently on poor sinners drawing of them and using means of Grace towards them And yet they are very enemies to him see Rom. 2. 45. Not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance but thou after thy hard and impenitent heart treasurest up to thy self wrath against the day of wrath 2 Chro. 36. 15 16. Quest I desire you would make it clearer that Christ dyed for all surely the scripture is very dark for that purpose Answ The Scripture is not dark in that thing it is mens judgements that are dark Quest But there are many Objections against it in Scripture Answ There are more Objectors against it indeed some places of scripture before they are wel weighed seem to thwart it but being wel considered they uphold it I desire what can be objected against it may be brought forth Object 1. The World and every man and all men must not be taken so largely as you have layd down but some of all forts and every beleever and the world of beleevers these Christ died for it is evident Answ I grant that all and every man in some places of Scripture doth not mean all and every Individuall but in the forenamed Scriptures it doth mean all and every Individual for these Reasons as Heb. 2. 9. Iohn 1. 29. Rom 5. 18. 1 Tim. 2. 6. 1 John 2. 21. First Reason is because God commands the Gospel to be preached to every creature Mark 16. 15. Now Gospel is glad-tydings and this glad-tidings is that there is peace and remission of sins by Jesus Christ Acts 13. 38. Luke last 47. Rom. 10. 15. Christ crucified and dead and risen again and whosoever beleeveth shall be saved he that beleeveth not shall be damned Mark 16. 16. And surely God would never have commanded glad-tydings to be preached to all if Christ had dyed but for some Therefore without controversie these Scriptures mean every Individual Further consider if Christ did not dye for all then what glad-tydings can be preached to all There is no glad-tydings to that man which Christ did not dye for nor any salvation Acts 4. 12. There is no name under heaven by which any can be saved but by the name of Christ Second Reason God commands all men to beleeve and repent The time of ignorance God winketh at but now commands all men every where to repent Acts 17. 30. Therefore it must needs be that these Scriptures doe mean Christs death for all and every Individuall See how I reason If God commands all men to beleeve and repent when Christ dyed but for some Then God commands some to beleeve and repent which his Sonne did not dye for But God commands all men to beleeve and repent Yea it is granted by those which hold forth that Christ dyed for none but Beleevers and it is a truth whether any should grant it or no and it is most sure that God will command no man to beleeve an untruth Third Reason God doth declare that those that beleeve not the Record of his Son make him a lyar 1 John 5. 10. Novv that man that Christ did not dye for doth not make God a lyar although he never beleeveth but the unbeleever maketh him a lyar I reason thus If the unbeleever that beleeveth not God maketh him a lyar Then there was a Christ which did die for the unbeleever or those that perish But the unbeleever that beleeveth not makes God a lyar Therefore there was a Christ which did dye for the unbeleever or those which perish Fourth Reason God in the day of judgement will condemn those souls that have not beleeved on his Son Now if there was no Christ that did dye for them what shall they be condemned for For God wil do that which is right Gen. 18. 25. Surely he will not condemn such without a just cause If God will damn those that beleeved not the truth Then there was a Christ which did dyed for those that are damned But God will damn all that beleeve not the
Truth 2 Thes 2. 12. Therefore there was a Christ which did dye for those that are damned And thus you see that it must needs be a Truth that Christ dyed for all and every man and this must needs be the meaning of the Holy Ghost in these Scriptures Object 3. But if Christ dyed for all why are not all saved Answ Because all do not beleeve although God did reedeem all Israel out of Egypt yet none entered Canaan but those that beleeved Jude 4. ver So although Christ redemeed all out of Egyptian darkness yet none shall be saved but those that beleeve Object 4. It is said Rom. 5. 9. That many are made righteous and in John 10. I lay down my life for my sheep Answ I beleeve that in one sense there is but few made righteous that is through Faith and the application of the blood of Christ but in that sense which I conceive the Holy Ghost to speak by the Apostle All are righteous that is by having the sin of Adam pardoned And for the word many it signifieth all many being in opposition to a few and this may be cleared by the twelfth Chapter of Daniel where by many are to be understood all Many shall arise some to everlasting life and some to everlasting contempt Now if many here be not all then some shall lie in the dust for ever which must not be admitted So that you see many is all in this Scripture and others for if Adams offence reached to all as it did in the former part of the Text many then why not the latter as well as the former As for Christs laying down of his life for his Sheep this is truth he did so but they were not Sheep when he layd down his life but Goats The Text doth not say he did not lay down his life for the Goats So the Apostles words Gallat 2. 20. Christ gave himself for me Did Christ give himself for none but for the Apostle Paul Object 5. Surely Christ would not dye for those he would not pray for but Christ would not pray for the World 17 John 9. Answ I beleeve Christ did not dye for any more than he prayed for but Christ prayed for beleevers but Christ prayed for unbeleevers and there is not any other in the word In this Text he saith he prayes not for the world but in the 20 verse there he prayeth for unbeleevers compared with Luke 3. 34. Father forgive them for they know not what they do Thus you see Christ prayed for the World although at that time he did not yet it doth not follow that he never prayed for the world for you see the contrary Further know that it is one thing to pray and another thing to dye Object 6. If Christ died for all then men must have free will to take and refuse good and evill as they please Answ And why so It doth not follow that because Christ dyed for all any hath free will I see no such thing can be inferred from it Object But surely it connot be that Christ should die for all Did he die for Judas Answ Yea he died for Judas If for every man then for Iudas but for every man Heb. 2. 9. therefore for Iudas Object 8. But Judas was a Devil and surely the Psalms saith of him that he should betray Christ as he did would Christ die for a Traytor Answ That Iudas was a Devill I grant but he was not so from the beginning see the 9. Chap. of S. Luke there Christ calleth twelve to him Judas being one of them and gave them power over all Devills and to preach the Gospell and to heal diseases surely Christ never gave Commission to any Devill to do these things and sure it is that his own corruption and covetous heart to betray his Master Christ for money that made him a Devill Object 9. But was he not ordained of God that he should betray his Master Christ Answ No he was not ordained of God for then if granted see what will follow That men may do that which God ordaineth them to do and yet perish and surely no man that doth that which God would have him to doe shall perish but shall be saved True God did know that Iudas would betray his Son and God sent his Son into the world that he should die for Sinners but that God intended that his Son should be betrayed and murthered in that barbarous manner I cannot see it will hold for see the blessed Apostle Peter Acts 2. 22 23. Yee men of Israel hear these words Iesus of Nazareth a man approved of God among you v. 23. him have yee taken and by wicked hands have crucified and slain And ver 36. and chap. 3. ver 14 15. Yee denied the holy one and the just and desired a murderer to be granted unto you and killed the Prince of life Now if God made them on purpose to doe these things why doth Peter so sharply reprove them Thus you see that Betrayers and Murderers are reproved not without cause The Son of man goeth about as it is written but wo unto that man by whom he is betrayed As if Christ had said Wo to Iudas that Traytor wo to Iudas that delivereth the Son of Man into the hands of men to be crucified wo to Iudas for his covetous heart to betray his Master for thirty pieces of silver a goodly price that I was valued at of them Zach. 11. v. 13. wo unto Iudas that ever he was born good had it been for him if he had never been born And thus Christ would never have said if God had made him on purpose to betray him and consequently Iudas doing the Will of God Object 10. But it is said whom God loveth be loveth to the end Answ Indeed men often say so but I see no Scripture say so that in the 13. Chapter of S. Iohn and the first verse is urged to that purpose the Text saith not so it readeth it thus Having loved his own which were in the world he loved them unto the end Now all true Believers are Christs own which he loveth for ever and to say any other thing from the words is to stretch it on the Tenters Object 11. If Vniversall Redemption be granted it will overthrow Election and Reprobation Answ It will not overthrow Election although it be granted I desire you would open your self concerning Election and Reprobation and I shall give you my judgement and I hope satisfaction by the Word which must be our Rule Object I believe that God from all eternity did choose some to be Vessells of glory which can never perish and did reprobate others leaving them to their selves which cannot bee saved I Answer I am perswaded that it was the purpose of God from all eternity that all that believe should be saved Nay further he chose them to believe to be obedient but it was through his Son he did not choose any because