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A96713 The quaking prophets two wayes proved false prophets, upon their own grounds laid down in an aiery [sic] whimsical answer to three queries ... vvith a discovery of their jugling the people out of their understanding ... also how Christ lighteneth every man that cometh into the world ... With a brief answer to three queries, sent by the Quakers to the author. / By T. Winterton. Winterton, Thomas.; Burrough, Edward, 1634-1662. Answer to three queries coming out of a dark mind, from a blind understanding. 1655 (1655) Wing W3093; ESTC R186760 13,306 16

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spirit he is none of his but an enemy to him and knows not the false Prophet from the true nor cannot reade the note character and sign having no salt is without savour for they are known by their fruits to him that hath the spirit men cannot gather grapes of thorns nor figs of thistles if thou can read this parable thou mayst know the difference for this is the sign which Christ gave of them Who were they that cryed Loe here and loe there and was and is known to him who is the true Prophet who abideth within and saith Go not forth if thou be in this Doctrine thou can understand and this is the note sign and character which the Prophets and Apostles gave of them They looked every one for his gain from his quarter and preached for hire and went in Cains way to envy and in Baalams way after the guift and through covetousness made merchandize of people and their Ministery was such that alwayes people were learning but were not able to come to the knowledge of the truth by them but were led away with divers lusts And such were not sent nor now are not immediate from the Lord nor speaks not by the spirit from the mouth of the Lord and what he speaks is fallible and a lie and whatsoever he affirms and declares is for condemnation for his Testimony is from man and his Call from man and he speakes his own words and the world heareth him and receiveth such and such are exalted in it called of men master and hath the chief seat in the Assembly and are proud covetous heady and high-minded and such are in the enmity against the true Prophet which is Christ who receiveth not his Testimony from man but from God and such who are in him now as ever was is hated and mocked of the world who are children of darkness though they speak from the mouth of the Lord infallibly yet they cannot give testimony to the world nor to thy adulterous Generation to be believed of them that he is sent of God And this is the sign of the true Prophet not to receive testimony from man nor to speak his own words in his own time and this Prophet is born and brought forth contrary to the Will of man nor speakes not his own words but the Word of God who are in his own will speaking his own words is a false Prophet and runs in his own will and is not sent of God and none that will in his own Will can be a true Prophet but they and thou in that Will stands in the enmity against God and here thy Character is read 2. In this Query thou askes whether there be any light in man but what is sealed in his understanding and whether the understanding receiveth not its light from the information of the sences and whether any information to the understanding but what is from the sences is not meer imaginary An. The light of Christ which lighteneth every man that comes into the world which shines in darkness thou cannot comprehend but by it are comprehended and judged thy sensual state the light which shines in darkness which is seated in the conscience is received from God and it 's ground is God and not the sences but it reproveth the motion of the sences which ariseth in the disobedience and judgeth the information of the sensual nature which informeth into disobedience unto God and conformeth but unto the Saints words and practises in the sensual understanding contrary to the true light and this is from imaginary light and is for condemnation which the true light which thou cannot comprehend but stumbles at Qu. 3. In this Query thou askes whether it be necessary to believe any that shall say they have in them something above nature till they can demonstrate something in them which is not to be sound in natural persons and whether the note of one truly spiritual is not so to love Christ and the Gospel as freely to lay down his life for the truth thereof and whether many Jesuits of late have not done this and whether there be not an absolute opposition between the Church of Rome and you An. It is onely necessary for thee to know thy self and to believe in the light which lets thee see thy evil deeds and thy corrupt heart the light which hath lighted every man that comes into the world is eternal and spiritual and which condemneth the natural man in his works and knowledge and is not of the natural man though in him for light shines in darkness To thy dark mind this may be and is demonstrated in word though not believed by thee for thou that stumbles at the light art an unbeliever in the natural ground among the natural persons who cannot discern the things of God though declared and demonstrated unto you and this is thy note and character a stumbler at the corner stone who is him which is the light of men and so no friend to him nor to his Gospel but an enemy to both to the light I do speak in thee which shall one day answer me who art in thy fleshly mind and lust and queries with thy busie mind and in thy natural knowledge in which thou also corrupts thy self To the latter part of thy Query I do answer the Jesuits have never of late nor of former dayes laid down their lives for the truth of the Gospel but out of a fiery zeal without knowledge in the darkness and not in the light between which and Us is an absolute opposition as between thee and us who art both in one ground and nature their Church of Rome and the Church of England so called which is not the Church of Christ we do stand in opposition against by the true light which cleerly manifests unto us that the one is worshipping an Image and the other an Imagination and are both in the cursed ground enemies to the Worship of God which is a spirit and among them thy name stands in opposition to the true light which removeth their ground and art a stumbler at it folowing thy own will and the desires of thy own mind Therefore friend repent and search thy own heart and try whose servant thou art by the light which will shew thee and bear witness for the righteous God and against all thy ungodly wayes and words This light is in thee and comes from Christ thy way to salvation if thou love it but thy condemnation for ever hating it This will resolve all thy doubts and will let thee see from whence thy Queries did proceed Thus I have answered them and do expect an Answer from thee of these following 1 What is the ground in which the Church of Rome stands and whether it be removed in thee and if how was it removed and whether the Vial be powred upon the seat of the beast yea or nay and what is his seat and his mark and the number of his
was man he saith Of my self I can do nothing Q. What is that Light the which Christ lighteneth man with A. None can really tell what it is in its reall Essence and Being Qu. Can it not be defined A. No otherwise but as Faith and Love and other Graces are that is by their Effects Qu. What are the Effects of Light A. It discovers unto man visible formes Qu. Can the eyes or light of the understanding discover visible Formes A. The light and eyes that is said to be in the understanding is no more properly light then properly eyes but is figuratively called Light because it hath as it were the properties of Light that is to discover for as the bodily eyes discovers visible formes so the understanding discovereth the different Nature of those Formes Qu. Is there no inward light but what is seated in the understanding A. No in the good sence that is without relation to carnal inclination there is no knowing no believing no affecting no liking not there is no disliking nor disaffecting but it ariseth proceeds from the determination of the understanding Qu. Doth every man bring into the World this light that Christ lighteneth every man with in full perfection A. For the outward eyes of the body they are perfect at their coming in or never perfect but for the light of the understanding they bring in that as they bring in their full strength that is a capacity to grow to it Q. In what order or method doth the actions of the body arise from A. There are inherent in man five distinct faculties the which are the ground of all his acting Qu. Which are they A. The first are the sences the second are the understanding the third the Will or affection the fourth Imagination the fifth Carnality or Lust Q. What is the place and office of these several faculties A. The office of the Sences is to inform the Understanding of what they hear see smell feel and taste The offices of the Understanding is to judge and determine those things by the Sences presented The offices of the Will or Affection is to put the body upon action according to the determination of the understanding the which if it determinateth good it moveth the body towards it if ill it moveth the body from it The offices of the Imagination is to bring information to the Understanding beyond the reach of the Sences The offices of Carnality or Lust is through a vicious inclination to overpower the Will upon some pretended good to move and cause the body to act quite contrary to its light and understanding Qu. Are all the five Faculties of one and the same nature A. No they differ as much as Light and Darkness Qu Which are they that differ A. The three first differ from the two last and the two last differ one from another Q. What is the nature of the three first A. They are of that nature that whilest man acteth under these distinct from the two latter his actions are pure as unto man without the least commixture of unjustice or deceit or provocation thereunto neither can he For first the Senses they deliver up to the Understanding what they partake of without the least self end and the Understanding judgeth as purely according to that light it hath and the Will as sincerely puts the body upon action Q. What is the nature of Imagination A Its nature is to give information to the Understanding of things oftner false then true Q. What is the nature of Carnality or Lust A. It is of a most mischievous nature unto the sons of men it corrupteth their actions it destroyeth society yea it destroyeth or depriveth man of all comfortable being Q. Are not Reason and Conscience faculties also A. Yes they may be said to be faculties because they may be said to act though more remote then the rest for Reason is nothing but a Conclusion drawn from Experience Now there must be Understanding and from the Understanding there must be Experience before there can be Conclusion the which is Reason Qu. What is the effects of Conscience A. First you must know upon what it worketh before we can find its effects for it acteth not as other faculties in every one neither hath any ground but in one single Opinion that is When the Understanding shall fully determinate that there is a place of everlasting Plagues wherein the sons of men or some degree of them shall be tormented for ever I saw whose Understanding soever doth determine thus it doth also determine its own case either to a confidence that he is one of those that shall thus be damned or else is confident he shall not or else doubts whether he shall or no. Now when a person comes to be possest with this confidence that he shall be damned if now he be inclined to fear Conscience now blows as it were a flame about him and like an Executioner presents unto his present view all those Plagues as if they were in present being to the wounding of his Spirit that no man can bear but seek all means to destroy themselves Again he that stands doubtfull Conscience hath not that power over him yet if he be inclined to fear Conscience will ever be snarling at him and keepeth him from extravagancies and that is the good that Conscience doth to make a man that is viciously inclined to be artificially honest even as a ravenous Cur that whilest his Master hath a cudgel in his hand he lies still but so soon as his back is turned he seizeth upon what is next But the glorious actions of the sons of men is from a natural inclination of delight to do justly and to see no benefit nor profit but in what is his own this is a Dye in grain that will never change Let this man be in what condition he will let him change his opinion or change his Religion his actions as unto man will be the same still But he that hath not a natural delight to deal justly and honestly with all men such will make use of all opportunities especially if they happen in dark corners to deceive And now as Conscience is of singular use to make this sort of men honest so it is piety but that that Opinion whereupon Conscience doth depend should throughly possess them Q. But the Quakers in the second Query speak of a false Light in the Conscience and of the Sences acting in disobedience and of a true Light A. But if they would lay down these things in a methodical way so as the people might out of heir own Understandings feel them working in them it were somthing but this would bring their craft in danger for their Quaking then would soon be at an end For as mans chiefest certainty lyeth within the reach of his Sences that what he seeth and heareth and tasteth and feeleth and smelleth is more certain then what others say they heard they saw they tasted they smelt the which while he there keepeth he cannot be deceived But they tell the people that the Sences and all the rest of the faculties are carnal and fleshly and are to condemnation and that they are contrary to the true Light the which is to beleeve their Infallibility And having brought the people to a belief of this they are not onely made uncapable of trying the truth of their Doctrines but fitted to fall down before the greatest Idol that ever was in the world yea to cry Great is Diana of the Ephesians and to Worship the Image that fell down from Iupiter And then having ballaced them with this ayrie whimzie to tell all that shall oppose them that they have not the same Spirit they are then sufficiently furnished till they split themselves upon another Novelty or sink through the weariness of the old An Answer to three Queries sent by Edward Burrough a supposed Quaking Prophet in that he commands to Answer them in plain Words Q. VVHat is the Ground in which the Church of Rome stand A. The Church of Rome and the Church of the Quakers stand both upon Imagination Qu. And whether it be removed in thee A. Yea for Imagination He trust no more Qu. And if how was it removed A. By that Light with the which Christ lighteneth every man that commeth into the world Qu. Whether the Vial be poured upon the Seat of the Beast yea or nay A. I cannot tell Qu. What is his Seat and his Mark and the Number of his Name A. I cannot tell nor th●● neither infallibly Qu. What is the Mouth of the False Prophet A. Edward Burrough and the rest of his fellow Quaking Prophets Qu. And where speaks he A. Sometimes at Alderfgate sometimes in More-fields and in divers places in the City Qu. And whether thou doest witness his Mouth stopped in thee A. No he will rail upon me still Qu. And whether thou canst be deceived yea or nay A. No I am not deceived that the Quakers are False Prophets Q. What was the end wherefore Christ was manifest unto the Worlds A. To save sinners Q. And whether thou hast received the end of his coming A. Yea. Q. Or when where or how thou expectest lo receive it A. The Answer to the last Query takes away the Answer to this Q. And where or what is thy Knowledge of him A. The Scriptures without which it is probable thou and I should never have heard of him FINIS