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A78622 A raging wave foming out his own shame. Or, An answer to a book lately published by Richard Hains (a person withdrawn from) entituled, A protestation against usurpation. Wherein appears such a measure of envies bitterness heaped up, pressed down, and running over, as the like in some ages hath not appeared, by his many false accusations, and malicious insinuations, thereby to provoke (if possible) both the chief magistrate, and all men of what degree soever, to have suspicious thoughts of the innocent, easily proved to have no other fouudation [sic] but his own evil imaginations. : Wherein also the church of Southwater by him contemptuously rendered papistical in their act of withdrawment from him, is vindicated and cleared, first, by apostolical authority, secondly, by Rich. Haynes his own pen. / Written by Matthew Caffyn ... Caffyn, Matthew, 1628-1714. 1675 (1675) Wing C207A; ESTC R173317 24,862 30

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concerned himself with some others in favour to his case more then any of those that did belong to us and that sent and signified their desires to me of such a conference and whereas he would possess the Reader that I have given a false account of what was spoken by some at this conference my answer is that as I am not conscious to my self of any such thing so also that they whom it concerns never as yet signified any such thing to me nor do I suppose that they ever will thus judge of me as R. H. doth when their word at that time spoken shall be brought again to their remembrance and although it be true that some present at this conference do entertain in communion one that hath a Patent yet is it not true that the same person hath a Patent upon like considerations as R. H. hath his as he would have the Reader believe for that the said persons Patent was not as ever I heard attended with any reproach or scandal to his profession to the probable injury of mens souls stumbling thereat nor yet with the grief and offence of his brethren deeming it insufferable all which were the most evident attendances of R. H. his Patent and besides while R. H. his invention as he terms it of threshing non such after the same manner as for many years men used to thresh Clover hath been by men learned in the law judged undeserving this mans art and inventions on the other hand hath been judged so far deserving and to advantage tending as that his Majesties pleasure is to entertain him as his Hydrographer if I mistake not the title And whereas he further suggesteth to the Reader that I very dishonestly withstood his appeal afterwards to the general Assemblie at London notwithstanding my promise to do what I could to have it there determined and this to his considerable cost by reason of his witnesses that he brought thither which saith he had I been honest and a Christian might have been prevented by my telling him before that there it could not be heard pa. 8. My answer is that in all honesty to him as a Christian I did tell him Jam. Smith a living witness thereof being with me in R. H. his parlor that by reason of an agreement formerly made by the general Assembly the case depending between he and us could not be there heard unlikely therefore that I should tell him I would do what I could that it might be there heard and determined till such time he did first make his appeal to the Countrey Assemblies and then it might for which cause I in reason could not ingage the Church or their messengers to repair thither for a hearing having also perfect knowledge that several cases presented to the general meeting before and of great concernment too had been for the present withstood upon the same account even their not having made their appeal elsewhere before now had he not been already corrected for this abusive charge that is my not telling him before for the prevention of his expence that his case could not then be heard I might reasonably have attributed it to his forgetfulness but when the reader shall consider as justly he may that he had now lying by him the testimony of my self and Jam. Smith under our hands without the least exception since against it both that he was and the very place where he was told of it what can this his publication now be less then a manifestation of his willingness to abuse me and more especially when it shall be considered with his own confession pa. 6. that they to wit the general assembly would not to use his own words hear the matter except it were examined by some other Congregation before And whereas he would have the Reader believe that I was the only instrument to hinder the hearing of his case at this meeting the truth is that neither I nor any other but himself only was the instrument to hinder it for that he refused to make his appeal first elswhere according to the method of our proceedings which upon good causes formerly we had agreed upon and whereas the congregation at Southwater determined not to appear at the general Assemblie at London because they understood that by reason of their former agreement the case depending between them and R. H. would not then be tryed if afterwards I had said though his bare saying that I did who hath said so much extravagantly is little that if the generall Assembly through his excessive urgencie should incline to the hearing his case when by their own former agreement the congregation of Southwater was absent I could and very reasonably too put it off for that time till another opportunity when the congregation might be there yet doth not this in the least suppose such a withstanding his appeal as he would have the Reader understand for that it was constantly allowed him there to appeal after his appeal first in the Countrey is not only declared by us but also confessed by himself pa. 6. but what may justly and reasonably be concluded from R.H. his so great earnestness to have his case heard at the general Assembly and when they did undertake it he not only found disregarding but also contemning what they had done besides that the impartiall justice which he pretends to be zealous for to be done by others is no other then himself to be quitted and others condemned according to his own judgment let the Reader judge As touching his frequent suggestions that he hath been put to great expences by his having up several witnesses let him reflect upon his own folly therein for had he received the information given by me and also by others that his case could not be heard there till he first appealed in the Countrey he might thereby have pretended both his trouble and charges nor may he only herein reflect upon his own folly but also in his having up witnesses the last meeting when his case was examined for while he to the abuse both of me and the Assembly gives such an account pa. 10. as supposethto the Reader that the examination of his witnesses was refused in truth they were never called forth by him to testifie any thing for him as I know of but while here he relates so much of his expensive troubles in reference to his witnesses I doubt he considereth not as iustly he might his expences otherwise and more particularly his expences to his transcriber he being a man learned in the law who either that he might the better revenge himself upon the object of his envy or that he might seem to men eminent or both who I say to use his own words elsewhere supplied with amendments his matter where he had not made it true english or perfect sense And whereas R.H. doth further declare that though it were unusuall for such cases to come to the general meeting yet his case might