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A89832	Deceit brought to day-light: in an ansvver to Thomas Collier, vvhat he hath declared in a book called, A dialogue between a minister, and a Christian: but by his fruits hee is tryed and found to be neither. In which answer his lies are returned for the founder to prove; his errors laid open, read, and reproved, and he found to be the same in deeds which he accuses the Quakers to be in words. / Published in short for the souls sake, that the simplicity may bee preserved from the subtilty, lest any should believe lies, and so be given up to delusion, and bee damned, by a lover of truth, called, James Naylor.	Naylor, James, 1617?-1660.	1656 (1656)	Wing N269; Thomason E885_5; ESTC R202981	17,493	32

of Saints And this letter of the Scripture or Apostles writing I deny to be the man Christ Iesus and that it is not the Spirit thy self confesses in pag. 22. in these words where thou sayest to say that the Scripture is Spirit that discovers much ignorance and indeed such look upon it with an idolatrous eye and sayeth further that the Spirit of God is alwayes distinguished from the Scripture My own I prove thus The Man Christ Jesus ascended but the Letter of the Apostles did not ascend nor could before it was written for then it was no letter Again if the writings of the Apostles be the man Christ Iesus then we have part of him visible here on earth and part is lost which few will say Again the visible part of the Apostles writings is paper and ink but so is not the visible part of the man Christ Jesus more might be said which plainly proves that the Apostles writing is not the man Christ Jesus and thou hast confessed they are not the Spirit and yet thou affirms them to bee the absolute rule of Saints and way of conversion so as God may not convert any but by them which he hath said of nothing but Christ himself so that if thou have not set up an absolute rule that is not Christs's and bound God to work by and all people to believe in a way of conversion and salvation that is not Christ neither in flesh nor spirit as is cleerly proved let the truth in all consciences judge and see if the liar bee not fallen into the pit he hath digged for the innocent Further let the wise judge if thou have not hereby concluded all damned who have lived and dyed since the Apostles time and have not heard the Letter written by the Apostles for if all that have been are or shall be converted since the Apostles time must be by their writings then who hath not their writings cannot be converted nor brought to God Thus hath thou limited God to a Bible to convert by and condemned all that have not one or heard one and with such blinde stuff thou goes on to discover our errors but cannot see thy own blindness Further thou hast set up a new way of converting souls then by which Abraham and Enoch and the holy men of God was converted and hath bound God to it for they was not converted by the writings of the Apostles before they was or they that writ them and so art laying another foundation then was preached to Abraham and was the soundation of the Prophets and Apostles who was converted before the letter of the Apostles was and so art he thou tells on who art preaching another Gospel and accursed And now that I have proved thee one who art setting up another way to salvation that is not Christ setting up one to rule that is not Christ and so art Antichrist I shall charge thee therewith till thou repent and shall add this thy false doctrine to the rest of thy lies by which I deny thy spirit to be of God thy book thy lies thy confusion thy feigned words and thy antichristian doctrine and all thou sayest I do declare to proceed from the Spirit of the false Prophet the lyar and slanderer and one that goes about to set up a way and rule absolute which is not Christ and so another Gospel and foundation and no modesty can blame me for charging thy false doctrine upon thy head being first thus plainly proved and haddest thou thus proved before thou had slandered thou had shewed more of Gods wisdome and less of thy own wickedness but the lyar hath been thy tongue for lies like a bow with which thy bowels must be filled yet canst thou not enter the truth but thy arrows are driven back on thy own head And as that spirit of lies hath its enmity against Christ and would set up another so it doth oppose his light which is the light of the world and thou heaps up a deal of confusion to disprove the witness that Iohn bare of Christ Iohn 1. 9. who saith This is the true light which lighteth every man that cometh into the world and this light Iohn came to bear witness unto that all men through him might believe vers 7. and this he saith was in the beginning and Christ saith Iohns witness was true Ioh. 5. 33. but saith the lyar that is but the common natural light that lighteth every man that cometh into the world and is not able to lead to God and thus they who likes thy testimony better then Iohn's or Christ's they may believe thee and deny Christ and his Ministers blinde guides how are you like to tell what the light will do or not do who have been opposers of it ever since it was preached but hath not followed it to the end are you like to know whether it leads did you ever follow it at all if so what evil hath it led you to you confess it reproves and manifests sinne and doth not the apostle preach this for the light of Christ Eph. 5. 13 14. but you have an imagination that Christ is the light onely to inlighten you that call your selves believers but who must inlighten the rest Christ saith I am the light of the world he doth not say I am the light of such a form or such a people who are of a self-separation but I am the light of the world he that followes me shall have the light of life but you who never followed it saith there is not life in following it so your blinde testimony who were enemies to the light of the world stand against the testimony of Christ and the children of light John 8. 12. But saist thou if this be true that Christ lighteth every one that cometh into the world which light being taken heed unto will lead to God then Christ died in vain and in vain hath he said I am the way the truth and the life which is as much as if thou had said if Christ be the light of the world which lighteth every one which cometh into the world and leads to God in vain did hee come into the world to testifie the same in preaching and suffering without which it could not have been manisest and believed But your blindness hath been so cleerly laid open and the light proved even that which is the light of the world to be the way to the Father the truth and the life as I need not say much to thy blinde opposition onely take these two Scriptures and shame with thy blindness who would perswade people that the light of the world is not the way the truth and the life or that there is any other way but the light of the world Joh. 8. 12. Joh. 14. 6. if these be one then art thou blinde and if not one then how should thou speak truth who said I am the light of the World the way the truth and the life

DECEIT Brought to DAY-LIGHT IN AN ANSWER TO Thomas Collier VVhat he hath declared in a book called A Dialogue between a Minister and a Christian But by his fruits hee is tryed and found to be neither In which Answer his lies are returned for the Founder to prove his Errors laid open read and reproved and he found to be the same in deeds which he accuses the Quakers to be in words Published in short for the souls sake that the simplicity may bee preserved from the subtilty lest any should believe lies and so be given up to delusion and bee damned By a Lover of Truth called James Naylor They have made lies their refuge and under falshood have they hid themselves but judgement is laid to the Line and righteousness to the Plummet and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies and the waters shall overflow the hiding place LONDON Printed by T. L. for Giles Calvert at the black-Spread-Eagle neer the West end of Pauls 1656. The EPISTLE to the READER AND TO THOMAS COLLIER Friends THis generation with speed fulfils its measure of wickedness against the seed of God till the seed of Esau become a desolation for ever and the Armies of Gog and Magog with their men of warr appears from all quarters in defiance of Israel til there be not a man left to handle the sword We are become a prey to the slanderous tongue and are made as a mark for the wicked against which they bend their bowe and shoots their arrowes even bitter words of lies and reproaches more then may bee numbred but the wickedness of the wicked shal slay him and his transgression shall fall upon his owne head for though they strive yet to no purpose for the Warrier loses his hand in the day of battel and his strength becomes weakness and his wisdom is turned into folly and even this man Thomas Collier hath helped up the measure of his generation and is no whit short but the rather exceeding some of his Brethren in lies and slanders and reproaches and his testimony hath he given against the Lord and his mite hath he cast in unto Babylon's confusion to make up the number of the Beast in the warre against the Lamb against which the whole body and train of darkness from the head to the tail is joyned in the agreement of hell and is now come forth in the power and authority of the Beast they are gathered against the Lord that they may be scattered by the whirlwind of his wrath and they are risen that they may be broken to pieces and they have spoken that they may be condemned out of their own mouths and this man with many of his brethren is justly fallen into the pit which he digged for another and the snare hath trapped his own foot and he is the man who is found and proved in a high degree guilty of that wickedness and transgression whereof he falsly accuses us and the reproach stands upon his owne head which he hath thought to lay upon the innocent VVhat art thou among the rest fled to lies for refuge as thy last defence Is this the end of thy profession and of thy high notions who was once mounted up into the air among the wandering stars carried for a time as a cloud with the tempest but now art thou fallen into the earth because there was no abiding place for thee and art turned again into the beggarly rudiments of the world where the chains of darkness compasses thee about till the Judgement of the great day for which thou art reserved and thy lies are numbred to go into the pit together In this present Answer unto thy foolish invented discourse he that hath understanding may read thy shame and confusion thou art not found onely upon secret search but manifestly thy impudence appears and much need not be said but onely thy lies are sent back to thee in a gross sum gathered up from thy mouth to seek a witness from thee of what thou hast asserted thou hast slandered but given no evidence and hast made thy self a transgressor of the law which would thee to do as thou would be done unto and till then we do wait or else for ever do let them rest upon thy own head as the founder of them and thereof shalt thou have shame and reproach in the sight of all just men in this present world vengeance in the sight of God in the world to come and in that day shalt thou confess unto thy condemnation to be just in the presence of the Lord God How easie a thing is it for thee to make a lye and then to disprove it But this is not the way to prove us deceivers for our doctrine and conversation shall bear witness for us in the sight of men and by the light in every mans conscience to bee witnessed and unto the living God we do appeal for judgment and leaves it unto his day and for this purpose hast thou appeared against us that thy folly might appear unto all men and thou in thy secret envy which hath lodged in thy heart might be known unto all who hath travelled to bring forth wickedness and thou shalt be filled with thy own wayes and must receive the just reward thereof London the 3 of the fifth moneth 1656. E. Burrough DECEIT Brought to DAY-LIGHT FRiend Though thou be late with this thy work yet one of Gog's Army thou must appear and having both Questions and Answers in thine own hand thou hast made up a heap of lies and confusion to cast in amongst the rest even such filthy things out of thy own unclean spirit hast thou cast upon the truth as honesty would have been ashamed to utter speaking evil of that which thou knowes nought of but by hearsay the life being that which thou art shut out of and all the image-makers in the Nations Thou sayest our principles are but the principles of the old Ranters which is as far from them both in principle and practice as light and darkness which clearly shewes thy ignorance of us and envy to us it 's true the Rantersprinciples thou hast known and their practice also and I should be glad to see thee as clear from them as thou would make people believe thou art but our principle thou knowes not that eye is blind with which thou shouldst see it or the life from which it arises and therefore the Lyar is up in thee foaming out thy own shame speaking things from the euill of thine own heart which thou canst not prove nor make appear things utterly false and untrue which we can say before the Lord never entred into us to believe or declare which thou layes downe as our principles and that spirit would say as much by our practice but that thou would not be seen openly to be a lyar And left thou should say I wrong thee I shall gather out some of thy lyes thou hast falsly slandered us

no man cometh to the father but by me and John who saith This is the true light Joh. 1. 9. So now let all judge who have the light in them whether I am in the error who believeth what the Letter saith that Christ alone is the true light the way the truth and the life and that this is the true light that lighteth every one that cometh into the world and so owns Christ of whom the letter testifies or thou who saith The letter is the absolute rule and this light of Christ cannot convert to God without the Letter and so limits God and denies him who was the way before the Apostles was or wrote the letter and would make people believe that the writing of the Letter had taken the office of Christ and were now become absolute in ruling inlightning and converting to God and so you are become Ministers of the Letter and denies the Spirit to be able to convert to God without the Letter and so a contrary Spirit hath possessed you then was in the Apostles who was Ministers of the Spirit and not of the Letter and so contrary fruits are brought forth and this your opposition of the light is but that you may appear to be the blinde guides Christ foretold of and by your fruits you must be known Did ever Minister of Christ preach against the least light of Christ and say it was not sufficient to lead to God or that none should never be converted but by the letter Did ever Minister of Christ preach against Perfection as thou doest and thy brethren who sayes thou doest not believe that Perfection is attainable here thou may as well say Christ is not attainable here nor Faith doest not thou here minister against the end of Christs ministery and that for which he sent them forth which was for the perfecting of the saints and that they might present every man perfect in Christ Jesus Eph. 4. 11 12 13. Coll. 1. 28. and this thou ministers against and sayest thou canst not believe it and adds a lye to thy unbelief saying its an estate no where held forth in the Scripture as attainable here and so would make God a lyar and the Scripture also As for instance God said Iobe was a perfect man Iob 1. 8. 2. 3. Gen. 6. 9. Iob 8. 20. Psal 37. 37. 2 Cor. 12. 9. Phil. 3. 15. 2 Tim. 3. 17. Iam. 3. 2. with other Scriptures too many here to mention which all witness thee to belye God and the Scriptures and to be no Minister for Christ nor believer of his Ministry who art against perfection and cannot believe it this is a fruit of Antichrist none of Chrsts Ministers but they believed it and preached which thou preaches against And so by thy fruits thou art known and thy generation as Christ hath said you should But to cover thy self thou sayest it s the duty of every one to press after perfection so they must press after that which thou believes not nor would have them to believ so they must pres after that which they believe must never attain here What sort is this pressing of which is against faith yet this confusion is thy Doctrine for the Devil knows that if he can but keep them from believing they can never attain whatever their pressing be And this is the devils work to destroy the faith then set people on working yet to confound thyself thou saith in pag. 114. Let every one that hath this hope in him purifie himself as Christ is pure Yet thou goes on to thou and thee and for this would accuse as Pharisees because we use it to a single person and in this thou confounds thy self as in the rest First Thou confessest it to be the most proper and that the Scripture useth it therefore and when thou hast done thou sayest those that speak it in this Nation seem to be barbarous so that by thy confession he that speaks proper to you is a Barbarian yet must we be condemned who speak properly and you justified who have lost your proper understanding through your pride and heathenish customs and with such confused stuff as this thou proves us the most dangerous people in the world but sayest thou Thou is to me as You provided it be not made a matter of Religion hut if it be then thou abhors the ignorance from whence it comes Herein shewing thy self to be like thy father who matters not what men do so that they do it not out of conscience but if out of conscience then he ahhors that ignorance from whence it comes for a tender conscience that takes heed to his tongue the devil abhors for the devil can set the tongue on fire when all members else are wearied with his service provided he make it not matter of Religion what he speaks but if he be so precise that he make conscience of every idle word the devil abhors him for he knows that he that offends not in word is a perfect man so able also to bridle the whole body Iam. 3. 2. For the devil knows that by your words you shall be justified and by them you shall be condemned and for every idle word all must answer at the Day of Judgement And this we know though you have justified your selves and are yet in your careless way without bridle be ignorant of whose Religion will be found vain like your vain talk And further We know your way of ye-ing the proud and thou-ing the poor to be impurity though thou falsly say the scripture uses that language thou to every single person for its property and not for its puriry But what matter what thou sayes who abhors it as ignorance that teacheth to speak properly as matter of Religion but had thy Religion reached to the ordering of thy tongue we had not had such a number of shameless lyes cast upon us by thee as we have in this Book which indeed is little else but a heap of lyes But this know that he that seemes to be religious and bridleth not his tongue his religion seems to be vain Iam. 1. 26. Thou proceeds to tell of our quaking and in that like the rest thou shews thy confusion In thy 38. p thou sayes but falsly It 's a way that never came into the heart of God to bring his people to perfection by when all that do declare the way they came to God witness quaking or trembling and all that knew the Word of God trembled at it And in thy 78. pag. thou owns it in the holy men of God making thy self a lyar but sayes it is different from ours To which I say hast thou seen us both tremble or how canst thou make a difference let the wise judge but that thy busie minde must be medling to speak of that thou knows nought on that thou might shew thy envy consusion how should thou know trembling who knows no word but the letter abhors that which

should guide the tongue and thereto would limit God for ever as to matter of converting of people thou must needs cast out trembling who excludes the Word and in Isa the 66. 5. Thou mayest read thy generationand thy work and thy judgement also and what thou knows or trembling is seen by what thou knows of the Word It would be thy wisdom to stop thy mouth and speak not evil of that thou knows not thou may long read the letter and call that the word with thy lying spirit ere thou know what the trembling is of Gods people such thou hates as did thy generation in all ages Thou proceeds tell of great things in thy imaginations from the letter and tells of a state of general reconciliation which all the world is recovered to though not redeemed from any curse and tells of a twofold reconciliation and a twofold redemption and many such things in thy confused minde which the Scriptures knows not but knows not one redemption thy self but art a servant of satan in lyes and false accusations against the innocent such a redemption the Devil can profess as stands in words from the Letter without power and life had there been no Letter such a profession would have been as is your practice Thou goes about to describe who are the daughters of Babylon and thou concludes all who come in after the Jewish rites sprinking or dipping Infants being exercised in Romish Ordinances c. These are Rome's daughters though they cry Out Harlot against their mother I say go one step higher and take in your own tradition which is neither according to letter not spirit neither in call manner nor end as I have divers times proved and am ready to do as occasion is offered and as it is with theirs out of the true form so is it out of the true power of godliness and brings forth the same fruits with the world if not worse so that if any will own you for Saints onely because you have been two or three times dipped or sprinkled in the water more then others have bin then they may have such Saints enough who do make dipping so many times some twice some thrice as a god and ground of salvation and of union but further then that doth differ you from the world they shall never see any thing of a godly conformity and denying the world's customes or conscientious walking whereby you shall be known from other men unless it be that you have got more subtilty to oppose the truth being as the head of the image got a little higher then the rest but as enviously wicked and bloody as any is this day in the Nations and would as gladly stir up persecution had you but power as some of your prime Teachers have said to some in Authority that he had rather a Law was made to take away his life then that we should bee suffered and at this day are you scattered throughout the Nation by your letters to rake up what filth you can to cast upon the children of light And if thou say thou art clear then let this heap of lies out of thy book be witness against thee which were they true might serve to take away our lives by the Law of the Nation yea such a heap of wickedness as if hell had been raked to bring it up to cast upon us of which we are clear before God but you being a people who have declined your principle of a tender conscience above all others so you who have done it must needs exceed all others in mischief and hatred against such as retain God in their consciences and dare not sin against him casting all manner of evil report on tender consciences as because we cannot bow to your filthy pride and respect of persons and give flattering titles to the spirit of exaltation in a proud man or woman therefore by you we are accused as Pharisees and that we destroy relations and deny civil courtesie as in this thy Book when we deny but the devils pride and if we take heed to our words and by that which is pure of God in our consciences order them according to the sound words of Christ Jesus and the Scriptures then we strain at a gnat and swallow a Cammel so that to speak in the fear of God and in sound words such that cannot be reproved is a great offence to thee and the cammel we swallow is because we go not so often into the water as you do in observance to your tradition which is neither in power nor form of Iohn's ministration whom you would imitate when you that go into the water come out as full of pride envy covetousness and all manner of wickedness as you go in and the Devil hardned in many of you in lying against the truth onely thereby being conceited that your sins are washed away though when you are proved none more impudent and brazened in their wickedness then you are witness the heap of lies in thy book which the heathen that never had profession would be ashamed so falsly to utter as will be seen now when thou art put in plainness to prove them Nay were you not stark blinde and drunk with rage against the truth you might once look back see your selves and what you are doing and how you have dealt with the Lord who once had betrusted a measure of simplicity to some of you which kept you tender which you have betrayed above all people in the Nation was there not a time when you durst not have conformed to the world pride and filthy manners their fashions and customs now maintained their false worships was it not once with you that you could not use the worlds Language as to their corruption therein upheld and that out of tenderness of conscience Was there not once in you a principle against lying and false accusing and perfection for conscience sake Then was you hated of the world as you now joyne with the world to hate us and belye us nay what thing is it now that your conscience will strain at but you can swallow rather then suffer persecution reproach or loss of gain Have not you been witness against the Ministry of the Nations to be of the whore and their tythes and hire till a great part of the most eminent of you be got into the same living out of which you have thrust them let England and Ireland witness though I wil not say you are all guilty in this particular for all have not been proved therein but with what a face you can at this day call the Ministery of the Nations whorish and then take the benefit of it your selves or maintain it in others lest you should suffer the cross of Christ let all who have the use of a good conscience judge And you who can swallow all this and much more that might be named contrary to your faith as you call it and once contrary to your conscience

when it was not seared Is it like that we should be owned by you in making conscience of every word or can you do any otherwise but abhor it who have thus made shipwrack in your selves and this is the fruits you have brought forth since you have set your selves against the Light of the Spirit which led into tenderness and have set up the Letter for the Light and so being become heart-blinde are you grown past feeling into open lying and wickedness as at this day it is seen and lamented And now do not say this is railing accusation and hard terms which is truth but let the light of Christ which you thus hate search your hearts and pass judgement upon you and own it before the Lord and all the world and give praise to the Son from whom the Light comes for you have nothing else will let you see your hearts and the desperate wickedness that lodgeth therein it 's the light that must search it out and reveal it to you and not the Letter you may read in the Letter what deceit was in other mens hearts but it must be within you that lets you see your own the eye of God it is must let you see and search the dark corners thereof which is desperate wicked and you know it not but by the light of the world which lets all the world see their deceits who doth but minde it which light is that the God of this world hates and above all would blind that eye for which end all his instruments are now at work as is manifest to make shipwrack of Faith that is held in a pure conscience and you in the head thereof of which you must repent and returne to you first tenderness wherein you was once growing out of the elements and rudiments of the world to be led by the spirit of the Lamb where ever he goes and not by shadows which are left desolate because of the wickedness of such as have lived therein and look upon circumcision for the continuance whereof the Jewes had more from the Letter then you have for your way of carnal water for it was said it should be a sign for ever but so was it not said of Water-baptism but the contrary and minde what a generation was left in circumcision when Christ led out by his Spirit from that Ordinance a company of envious murtherers lyars and false accusers who set themselves against the way and light of Christ to devour all that followed his light against whom they pretended the Letter and thought they did right and so do to this day and were you not wholly blinde you might read your selves herein and what hath befallen you since you set your selves to this work every day hardness and more blindeness till you be much more mad in mischief then they was and more blinde for they fought against the Light because it led out of their traditions which was after the letter but yon oppose the light when it leads to the sound words in the letter and calls it Pharisaical and self-righteousuess or any filthy Name to make it odious and abhors it if it be but done in following the Spirit so that to follow the spiritual Light of Christ is abhorred by the devil and his instruments though it be in that which they confess is proper and used in the letter which they say is their Word witness thy 57. and 58. pages And yet with all this wickedness and blindness and much more the like unchristian carriage in your fore-head would you binde all to fall down to your tradition you have set up and worship that or else no Christians nor salvation but all the filth of hell must be raked up and cast upon their godly conversation for no other thing but because we cannot cry up that for salvation which cannot save you witness how you are saved from these wickednesses who worship before it further then in your imaginations believing that obeying that Ordinance as you call it you must be saved from hell when you are dead but to be saved from these wicked wayes while you live you never believe nor doth your god teach any such faith so they that are blinde may deny the leading of Christ in Spirit and follow your shadow which can neither save you nor them But if you would have all to worship what you have set up your called ordinance let it appear to all men what is therein mighty to save Is there some betterness betwixt being a captive to the devil in sin under your water and being a captive to sin under the Parish-Teachers water being both out of the true way declared in Scripture only yours a little nearer in the letter but both one in Spirit Power led captive at his wil who rules in them you who are disobedient to the spiritual Light of Christ wil your water save you more then theirs when you both are unwashed from your sin and live in rebellion against God doth your Ordinance then save you But doth it not appear to all the children of light that you are in the state of the Jews who cryed the Temple the Temple when God was deparred then they that was left in it was become abominable to God that which was the house of God formerly was then become a den of thieves and murderers and liars yet was they as zealous for their Ordinances as you are for your water and had as plain Scripture yea and their Ordinances was in the right form and call whereas yours are not as any of the Saints did ever practice in Scripture declared so if you be not stark blinde read your selves and repent and think not to say The Ordinances the Ordinances when you are both out of form and power for if we must believe you for so saying why not the Priests also who cry the same with you both taken on without true form life or power this we may not do who have heard and learned of Christ But this I say to thee and the rest that are joined with thee herein If he be a God you would have us all to bow to let us see what a God he is whether it be the God of Righteousness or the God of this world and Deceit first let us see that by your Ordinances thou thy self be led to repentance and to confess all thy damnable heap of lies thou hast cast on us in thy book in envie against the light and that as openly as thou hast slandered also repent of thy false Doctrine I have proved which thou hast published and decline thy errors therein And all the rest of you deny your selves and the world and conform to Christ leave your filthy pride and covetousness and abominable conformity to men of corrupt mindes for advantage respecting mens persons and maintaining their abominable worships and worshippers therein And you that say you are Ministers prove your selves in all things as the Ministers of Christ in