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2._o ep._n 3._o ad_fw-la cicil._n we_o must_v not_o follow_v the_o custom_n of_o man_n but_o the_o truth_n of_o god_n to_o the_o same_o purpose_n speak_v beza_n 23.27_o beza_n in_o luc._n 23.27_o and_o other_o as_o for_o order_n we_o be_v so_o far_o to_o be_v order_v by_o they_o as_o they_o accord_n with_o the_o order_n of_o the_o gospel_n touch_v tradition_n we_o know_v well_o enough_o what_o they_o say_v against_o they_o when_o they_o deal_v with_o the_o papist_n beside_o do_v not_o mr._n page_n tell_v we_o and_o that_o 37._o that_o pag._n 37._o true_o that_o many_o worthy_a divine_n be_v sometime_o mistake_v why_o then_o may_v not_o they_o be_v mistake_v in_o our_o difference_n in_o truth_n we_o have_v the_o more_o reason_n so_o to_o think_v consider_v they_o bring_v we_o no_o proof_n for_o their_o do_n herein_o save_v bare_a authority_n and_o here_o by_o the_o way_n i_o think_v good_a to_o observe_v a_o little_a of_o mr._n pagets_n talk_n in_o pag._n 25._o have_v set_v down_o a_o 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34._o it_o speak_v not_o any_o thing_n of_o the_o thing_n for_o which_o he_o bring_v it_o 3._o howsoever_o the_o israelite_n meet_v in_o sundry_a place_n notwithstanding_o they_o be_v all_o but_o one_o congregation_n for_o their_o synagogue_n be_v not_o entire_a church_n of_o themselves_o but_o part_n or_o member_n of_o the_o national_a church_n and_o therefore_o the_o priest_n and_o levite_n wheresoever_o they_o be_v exercise_v not_o some_o act_n of_o their_o ministry_n unto_o some_o that_o be_v not_o member_n of_o their_o congregation_n as_o he_o injudicious_o affirm_v 4._o he_o do_v not_o well_o to_o compare_v the_o national_a shepherd_n in_o israel_n unto_o the_o minister_n now_o under_o the_o gospel_n who_o be_v bind_v unto_o particular_a congregation_n in_o pag._n 66._o he_o seek_v to_o strengthen_v the_o authority_n of_o class_n and_o synod_n by_o the_o jewish_a polity_n and_o gouvernment_n now_o the_o papist_n to_o establish_v the_o sea_n of_o rome_n use_v the_o same_o 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16.22.23_o and_o 23.43_o mat._n 7.13_o where_o we_o find_v mention_v make_v of_o a_o heaven_n a_o hell_n a_o streaght-gate_n a_o narrow-gate_n but_o if_o his_o doctrine_n be_v sound_a they_o may_v easy_o put_v this_o by_o and_o say_v we_o grant_v that_o these_o scripture_n prove_v there_o be_v a_o heaven_n and_o a_o hell_n etc._n etc._n notwithstanding_o there_o may_v be_v a_o three_o place_n too_o as_o we_o hold_v for_o aught_o be_v here_o say_v to_o the_o contrary_n to_o be_v short_a we_o read_v in_o genesis_n that_o god_n in_o the_o beginning_n make_v the_o world_n adam_n marry_v eve_n etc._n etc._n now_o let_v this_o be_v grant_v yet_o according_a to_o his_o manner_n of_o dispute_v that_o may_v be_v true_a too_o which_o the_o jew_n fable_n to_o wit_n that_o many_o lesser_a world_n be_v make_v before_o that_o adam_n have_v another_o wife_n beside_o eve_n name_v lillith_a 60._o lillith_a bran._n spiegel_n print_v at_o craconia_n 1597._o ben_n sirach_n quaest_n 60._o from_o who_o he_o be_v divorce_v for_o her_o pride_n i_o can_v multiply_v instance_n in_o this_o kind_n to_o show_v that_o there_o be_v not_o a_o error_n so_o gross_a and_o vile_a but_o it_o may_v be_v justify_v this_o same_o way_n and_o as_o well_o too_o which_o he_o have_v here_o devise_v to_o maintain_v that_o pastor_n may_v exercise_v all_o act_n of_o their_o ministry_n in_o any_o congregation_n beside_o their_o own_o he_o tell_v we_o in_o pag._n 89._o that_o by_o our_o speech_n we_o do_v exceed_o gratify_v many_o sort_n of_o libertine_n arrian_n socinian_o and_o other_o heretic_n but_o the_o truth_n be_v if_o he_o look_v well_o on_o his_o own_o writing_n he_o shall_v see_v the_o thing_n charge_v upon_o we_o most_o true_a in_o himself_o for_o beside_o the_o former_a instance_n mark_v how_o the_o papist_n argue_v 137._o caes_n baron_fw-fr tom._n 1._o p._n 137._o just_a as_o he_o do_v although_o there_o be_v mention_v make_v in_o scripture_n but_o of_o 3_o church_n officer_n that_o be_v bishop_n 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