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A85151 A true testimony against the Popes wayes, &c. In a return to that agreement of 42. of those that call themselves ministers of Christ (but are proved to be wrongers of men and of Christ) in the county of Worcester, and some adjacent parts, who subscribe their agreement and catechisme with the names and the places where they are pastors, teachers, and rectors, &c. as they say: or as followeth: Richard Baxter teacher of the church at Kiderminster. John Boraston pastor of Ribsford and Bewdley. Richard Eades pastor of Beckford Glocestershire. ... Joh: Dedicote preacher at Abbotesley. R. F. (Richard Farnworth), d. 1666. 1656 (1656) Wing F509; Thomason E870_6; ESTC R202116 86,932 79

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thou do not so dost not thou now preach that which thou therein said the Devill bred Christ detested and none that had any sparke of true grace ever believed or received And besides doest not thou indeavour to feed people with it which thou therein called the papists dung Consider well of it and where thou said in thy scorne when you have rubbed your eyes give us leave to smell the Pope in your endeavours but now behold thou thy folly and that Popish mist or darknesse which thou art in how it hath blinded thy mind and led thee into selfe contradictions and to manifest the mote thy confusion who art speaking thou knows not what but by imagination that art not yet to repentance come and therefore art very unfit to preach † Repentance or Perfection either for if repentance be as thou says and the 41 more in consent and approbation with thee in that Agreement viz a through-turning from the flesh and the world to God page 26. then you are not yet come to repentance that are not throughly turned from the world the flesh unto God but are in the world the sleshin the miscariages negligence page 3. 4. wrongers of men of Christ page 19. Therefore behold your folly made manifest 2 Tim. 3.8.9 who say you grow worse and so it appeares and that you are in confusion and that is a cleare Character to know evil men and seducers by as the Scripture saith for they shall grow worse and worse 2 Tim. 3 13. And remember Richard Baxter in thy book of slander called the Quakers Catechisme thou didst not onely slander us and all the Saints and servants of God and Ministers of the Gospel to prove thy selfe to be none of them but thou also slandered God himself and Christ his Son as well as in thy Agreement thou saies thou have wronged both Christ and men and yet continues therein growing worse and running on a though thou use words of flatteries to make Colourable Glosses for thy own ends yet art thou comprehended and seen as in thy other thou was who wronged God and Christ and all the Saints and Ministers of the everlasting truth and Gospel of God showing thy selfe to be ignorant of them c for thou said the doctrine of perfection was bred by the Devill thou believed and here thou art reprobate concerning the faith that stands in the power where thy entising words are shut out and all the deceivers for God himselfe bred or brought forth first that doctrine of perfection and not the Devil as thou hast said And here Richard Baxter I charge thee in the presence of God to be a false witnesse against the eternall truth and also to be a slanderer of the truth and art against God himselfe who first preached that doctrine of perfection viz. the doctrine of sinlesse perfection and said to Abraham when he appeared to him at the age of 99. yeares or when Abraham was 99. yeares old and preached the doctrine of perfection unto him when he promised to make a covenant with him and multiply him exceedingly he said unto him at that appearance and in his doctrine I am the Almighty God walke before me and be thou perfect Gen. 17.1 But Abraham did not crosse the doctrine of perfection preached by the Almighty God at 99. yeares old and say he could not be perfect as many of the Priests disciples and such in the old nature of miscarriages like you do now that say you cannot be perfect though God and Christ commanded it neither did Abraham say that the doctrine of perfection was a doctrine of the Devill or first bred by him as thou Richard Baxter hath said in the booke called the Quakers Catechisme but art without proof for the same Genc 17.1 Math. 5.48 and hast thou not called the doctrine of Almighty God the doctrine of the Devil and besides hast thou not called the Almighty God a Devil as the Jewes cheife Preists and such in thy nature called Christ a Belzebub or Prince of Devils in that wicked slander of thine where thou said thou believed the doctrine of perfection was first bred by the Devill Joh. 8.48 49.50 51 52 53. Mark 3.22 when it was first bred or brought forth and preached by the Almighty God himselfe and how wilt thou cleare thy selfe from the sin against the Holy-Ghost who art not a wronger of men only but of God and Christ also and now hath in thy Agreement with the 42. Priests Ministers Pastors Teachers and Rectors under a cover appeared and confessed the same to wit thy wrong to Christ and to men and so to God himself and is here made manifest c. And you say you are growing worse and running yet further from God then you do not amend but beares the marks of evill men and seducers as the Scripture saith which shall wax worse and worse deceiving and being deceived 2 Tim. 3.13 as may be read 2 Tim. 3.13 so fulfilling the Scripture therein And againe that doctrine of perfection was preached but not bred by the Devill as thou saies where it is given forth by command saying Thou shalt be perfect with the Lord thy God Deuter. 18.13 And the way of the Lord is perfect Psalm 18.30 his law is perfect Psalm 19.7 his work is perfect Deut. 32. and God himselfe was the Preacher of the doctrine of perfection Gen. 17.1 and also did command it Deut. 18.13 then it was neither the breeding and bringing forth of the Devill nor the Papists dung as thou Richard Baxter hath said except thou would dare to call the Almighty God by the name of the Devil and his truth and doctrine by him brought forth preached and commanded to be walked in by the name of the Papists dung Jam. 2.7 and if so then behold thy blasphemie as well as the Popish mist of darknesse which thou art in to wrong God himselfe and both Christ and men And as thou said in that booke called the Quakers Catechisme thou believed the doctrine of perfection was bred by the Devil the greatest sinner and detested by Christ and never beleived in heartily by any man that knew himself or had any sparke of true grace or Christian experience c. page 24. Here thou hast done wrong to Christ and the Saints and to the Ministers of the everlasting truth and Gospel of salvation and thy sayings as aforesaid agreeth against thee with thy false confession wherein thy lies are fastened upon thee and thou art confirming them in that Agreement of you 42. Preists Ministers Pastours Teachers and Rectors wherein you say you are in the miscarriages unpardoned page the 4. and wrongers of Christ and men page the 19. and therefore growing worse and running yet further from God it is no marvaile that you preach against the doctrine of perfection which is the doctrine of the Father and the Son For as God himself preached the doctrine of perfection
for the killing of ignorance which your preaching could not do And yet it hath been used by the Popish Race and your forefathers the Bishops and Prelates and were not killed thereby but is found living amongst you their children and off-spring And you are found in the deceit and would keep people in the same by your flatteries and inventions which will all be to no purpose that is acted by the spirit of deceit and miscarrying nature which you are in And leaves the same ignorance unkilled by your familiar and personal Instructions as your forefathers have done you being in the miscarriages wronging men and Christ and not guided by the true spirit but by the false as your fruits as well as your Agreement maketh it manifest Concerning your warrant You have gathered certain verses of the Apostles words and calls them your warrant from God when you are found our of the Apostles practice and order and not at all warranted by them to wrong men and Christ as you have done and confessed the same you also are in the miscarriages and disobedient nature neglecters of the great works of God and therefore you being in that deceit are out of the counsels of God and liars like the false prophets whose examples ye follow that stole the true prophets words and were ready like you to call them their warrant from God or saying they spake from the Mouth of the Lord when the Lord did not warrant them in it no more then he doth you but witnessed against them by the true Prophet And said he had not spoken to them but they ran unsent as you have done and therefore they should not profit the people at all no more then you shall though they spoke the true Prophets words as you may do yet they was not guided by the true Prophets spirit no more then you are And though they spake their words for their own ends as you do yet for all that they were without Warrant from God as well as you are and also found out of his Counsel in their inventions and speaking for their own ends and for mony as you do and they caused the people to erre by their lies and by their leightnesse as you do and the Lord by his Spirit in his Servants witnessed against them as he doth against you saying I sent them not nor commanded them and so they were without warrant from God as you are though they could speak the true Prophets words as you do yet running unsent as you have done The Lord said they should not profit the people at all Jer. 23.16.21.30.31 32. Mi cah 3.5.11 No more do you who are as you say neglecters of the works of God and in the miscarriages unpardoned as well as wrongers of men and Christ as you your selves in your Agreement have all so acknowledged therefore your gathering of Pauls words and the true Prophets words being out of their life and spirit to paint and garnish your selves withal and are found persecuting the truth as your forefathers the false Prophets and Scribes and Pharisees did their words gather together with your dark minds and no warrant to you from God so to do nor to be called of men Masters Matth. 23.8.10 Nor to preach for tithes or hundreds a year Paul did not do it but preached freely coveting no mans silver or gold but hath shewed an example which you refuse to follow Act. 20.33 34 35. therefore his words is no warrant for you to do as you do As in pag the 1. or 2. of your Agreement neither did Paul go to take a ground from the Pope or sixth general Councel held either at Trent or Trull and say from thence that they that are baptized ought to learn the Belief and on the fifth day of the week say it over to the Bishops c. as you do which you lay down as the ground of your Catechisme and familiar and personall instruction and so build upon the Bishops and old popish root as you have done But Paul as he was a Minister of Christ Act. 26.16 17 18. he was sent to turn people from darknesse to the Light and from the power of Satan unto God and not to keep them in darknesse and sin unturned to God as you and your Minister doth therefore you are out of this life and not guided by the Spirit of God as he was And Paul as he was a Minister of Christ and the Gospel he were called of God and appointed to preach by the power of the holy Ghost Gala. 1.1 Gala. 1.11.12.15 16. Act. 13.2 3 c. Act. 18.9 10 11 c. Act. 16.9 10. Colo. 1.25 26 27 28. who was not made a Minister by the will of man as you are but by the Will of God Gala. 1.1 2. in which his Ministry stood who had the mystery of godlinesse and Christ the Son of God revealed within him Ephe. 3.2 3. c. Gala. 1.15 16. And so had his warant from God and after Christ and the Ministry were so revealed in him then he went forth immediately and not before for to preach him as he hath certified to the brethren Gala. 1.11 12. And he preached the Light 2 Cor. 4.5 6. Law Rom. 8.3 Hebr. 8.10 11. And heavenly treasure within 2 Cor. 4.6 7. And the word in the heart Rom. 10.8 by which faith is wrought and Christ the Mistery and hope of glory within them Col. 1.25 26 27. And they that believed and were baptized into him they put him on Gala. 3 27. As Paul the Gospel-Minister hath certified but he did not make a ground of Catechisme and familiar personal instructions from the Pope or general Councels held at Trent or Trull as you do for the cutting down of Ignorance Heresie and wickednesse as you pretend you will do but Paul was to turn people from the darknesse in which errour heresie and wickednesse was and so turning them from that he turned them to the light and power of the Spirit of God which was the way and means whereby Ignorance Errour and wickednesse was to be cut down crucified and killed which you are yet ignorant of as your Agreement doth manifest as well as your fruits who lives in ignorance Miscariages Error Heresie and wickednesse uncrucified or killed And was not the same way and meanes which you pretend to kill it by used by the Pope Bishops Prelats c. or at the Councell at Trent or Trull and by your fore-fathers the old out-rooted Bishops and Episcopals before you and yet it left the Ignorance Errors Miscariages Heresies and wickednesse amongst you Living and had no power to crucifie the same and you say your preaching this many years hath not yet killed it and therefore you have agreed to use the same Antidote or means for the killing of it as they did and if it could not expell and kill it by them useing the same before you as you also have done do you think to blind
and said to Abraham Walk before me and be thou perfect and said to the Children of Israel Thou shalt be perfect with the Lord thy God Christ himself did did not detest it as thou says he did for he was so far from detesting it that he highly approved of it viz. the doctrine of perfection and when he was upon the mount he so far shewed his love estimation and true approbation of it that he viz. Christ himself did preach the same and gave it forth by command upon the Mount to his Disciples saying Be ye perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect Math. 5.48 And here thou hast wronged Christ and lyed against him saying he detested it thou blind guide and false accuser of the truth behold thy absurdity If Christ had detested the doctrine of perfection as thou sayes wouldest not thou have had him to have gone against the command of the Father and to have detested his own doctrine but none will believe thee except the willfull blind and such as are wrapt up in deceipt with thee and hereby instead of ministring and maintaining the truth thou hast both ministred and maintained lies slanders and deceits and wronged Christ therefore art thou no Minister of his And if the Devill should have bred the doctrine of perfection would not he have bred a doctrine against himselfe to have rooted out his own Kingdom But are not you and the Devils disciples so much against that doctrine that you labour with all your skill to preach it out Gen. 17.1 Math. 5.48 Joh. 14.20 2 Joh. 9. Joh. 14.15 1 Joh. 5.3 4. 1 Joh. 2.3 4.5.6 Joh. 14.23.24 and keep it for taking place in the peoples hearts and is there any that are against the doctrine of perfection which is the doctrine of the Father and the Son but such as are against the Father and the Son and as you are who are wrongers of Christ and men and do not all those that deny the doctrine of perfection deny the doctrine both of God and Christ and so are neither Gospel-Ministers nor true Christians seeing they both do command it and he that loves Christ keepeth his command but such as love him not keepeth not his command and so are out of his doctrine and without God 2 Joh. 9. in the iniquity and selfe separation and in sin unturned yet to God Isa 59.1 2. and yet in the Heresies Errors and Miscarriages in the killing ignorance unkilled filthy dreamers that defile the flesh or in the sleep of security wronging Christ and men as in your Agreement you confesse you do and says you grow worse and are running yet further from God and so it appeares And as thou Richard Baxter ministers against the Father and the Son and hast wronged them so hast thou wronged the servants of God and Ministers of Christ and all the Saints and Sons of God saying the Devill thou beleives bred the doctrine of perfection saying Christ detested it when God Almighty bred or brought forth the same and both he himselfe and Christ his Son did not only bring it forth and preach it but commanded it to be obeyed and walked in and thou says thou beleives that none that had any sparke of true grace did hartily beleive in or receive the same and so hereby with thy false doctrine or reprobate faith thou would exclude all from grace that received the doctrine of perfection viz. the doctrine of God and Christ and so the doctrine of the Father and the Son but let me tell thee that such as doth not transgresse but abide in the doctrine of Christ they had and have grace for they had both the Father and the Son eternall life and the holy unction abiding in them and this the Scripture with me doth stand a witnesse against thee and thy lyes false doctrines and deceipts and let those that please read 2 John 9. 1 John 2.20 27. 1 John 5.10 11 12. and 20. verses to be witnesse for them that had grace and received the same against thy false testimony and lying Spirit by which thou art acted and guided Also several of the servants of God received the fathers doctrin in the time of old viz. the doctrin of perfection and walked in it and wouldest thou exclude them all from grace What a devilish doctrin is thine and crosse unto the Scriptures and contrary to the true Gospel ministers Therefore is both it and thee that brings it for to be holden accursed Gal. 1.8 9. Noah was not without grace and he received the doctrin of God the Father and were accounted perfect in his generation who found grace in the eyes of the Lord and being a Just and a perfect man he received the doctrin of the Father and walked with God Gen. 6.8 9. Abraham was not without grace and he received the doctrin of perfection taught him by God almighty when he appeared to him when he was 99. years old c. And God blessed him and made a covenant with him Gen. 17.1 Gen. 6.18 c. Iob 1.8 Heb. 13.20 21. as he did with Noah and they both had experience of his goodnes and found favor in the eyes of the Lord Iob 1.8 was not without grace and he were accounted a perfect and an upright man being one that feared God and eschewed evil as the Lord hath said King Hezekiah was not without grace and experience of the Lords goodnes who walked before him in truth and with a perfect heart and did that which was good in his sight 2 Kings 20.3 And David that said Marke the perfect man for the end of that man is peace Psal 37.37 was not without grace and he exhorted or rather commanded his Son Solomon to serve the Lord with a perfect heart 1 Chron. 28.8 9. And as David said The way of God was and is perfect Psal 18.30 So Solomon saith that the path of the Just is as a shining light that shineth more and more unto the perfect day and they are not without grace that walk therein Pro. 4.18 Christ the way to the Father Joh. 14.6 and to salvation to all that obey him Heb. 5.8 9. he commands to be perfect Math. 5.48 And his command ought to obeyed his ministry is to lead to a perfect man Eph. 4.12 13. The ministers of the Gospel preached wisdom amongst them that were perfect 1 Cor. 2.6 And as many as are perfect be thus minded Phil. 3. ●5 that the man of God may be perfect 2 Tim. 3.17 to presse others on to perfection Heb. 6.1 that they may attain Heb. 12.22 23. And the God of peace make you perfect saith the minister of the Gospel to them he ministred unto and exhorted to go on unto it And another of the Gospel ministers said to them he ministred unto The God of grace make you perfect 1 Pet 5.10 Go on to perfection Heb. 6. finally my brethren farewell and be perfect 2 Cor. 13.11 saith the Embassad or of Christ Having
and gain-sayes the Counsel of God in refusing to deny their miscarriages but only tell of them and the wrong they do to Christ and men refusing to deny the same and to amend and make restitution to whom they have wronged and cease wronging any and refusing to forsake the evil and cease persecution to turn unto God they refuse to deny their wills that they might obey the will of God and therefore such are resisters of the will of God as your untaught teachers are and the Jews in nature like them was whom Christ would often have gathered and they would not Matth. 23.27 therefore saith he ye that depart not from Iniquity Pride Coveteousnesse Vain-talking foolish Jesting will-Worships the love and honour of the world persecution and miscarriages ye will not come to me that ye might have life Joh. 5.40.44 and saith he Why call ye me Lord and do not the things that I say Luke 6.46 And whereas you say Give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our debts or trespasses as we forgive our debtors or them that trespasse against us c. I say that they that Christ teacheth to pray and them that he taught that prayer and did him obey exhorted others to do so but when your wills are crost are you not ready to destroy and devour such as crosses your wills and yet you pray sort your forgivnesse upon that account and so if you do not forgive others you pray for no forgivnesse according to that account and if you would have God to forgive you as you forgive others see that you do forgive them that trespasse against you or else if you seek revenge persecute c. and do not forgive them if they do trespasse against you do you not pray that God may take vengeance of you and not forgive you when you trespasse against him because you do not forgive them that trespasse against you and prayes for your forgivnesse of God as you forgive men and so when you do not forgive them you pray that God may not forgive you but do to you as you would do to them that offend and trespasse against you and you that do not cease your persecution and also forgive them that trespasse against you you do not act according to the will of God nor regard your own words and vowes made to God in Prayer and if instead of forgiving those that trespasse against you you rather seeke their destruction and ruine do you not pray that God may destroy and ruine you and to do by you as you think to do to them and is not all this according to your Prayer Consider well of it and If you do not forgive them that trespasse against you doth it not appeare that you are not of Gods elect that you have not yet learned the doctrine of the Apostles and of Christ for saith Christ to such as he taught if you forgive men their trespasses your Heavenly Father will forgive you your trespasses Math. 6.15 And if you would follow that you might cease persecution quarrelling and jangling and put on as the elect did do bowels of mercy humblenesse of minde long suffering forbeareance forgiving one another and if any have a quarell against any even as Christ forgiveth learne of him and do ye so for the elect and such as are taught of him and abideth in his doctrine doth so Col. 3.12 13 and exhorts others to do the same but it appeares that you or such as do not so viz. forgive them that trespasse against you in obedience to the will of God and doctrine of Christ and his Apostles you show thereby that you resist the will of God and are not of the elect but out of both the doctrine of Christ and his Apostles and doth it not plainly appeare that you and persecuters that wrongs God and Christ and are not yet forgiven and therefore you do not forgive nor regard what you pray for as to performe your vowes c. Therefore doth your hypocrisie more appeare and so you make use of the Scriptures only to talke of and garnish your selves withall as the Scribes and Pharises did that you may oppose the truth and paint your selves with the words as they did but comes not to the life of truth to walk in but are shut out as they was and now it is manifest for the light is risen and sprung up in the hearts of many praised be the Lord and your deceits and deeds of darknesse must be found out and laid open the Lord hath his fanners and he will fift the Nations and the day declareth every mans work of what sort it is and now the Lord looks for fruits for that tree is cursed that makes a great show in leaves and brings forth no fruit unto Christ as the figg-tree was read and understand if you can I desire of the Lord for you that you may and to your soul's profit but let the Serpent be famished dust is his meate but the Father Almighty feedeth his Children and their soules doth taste of his Manna and knowes the daily bread and the sacrifice which is offered up and is the living sanctified soul's nourishment and daily food for which he is not only prayed unto but also praised for glory and honour be to him for evermore And when you say Lead us not into Temptation but deliver us from evill for thine is the Kingdom the power and the glory for ever Amen Concerning Temptation c. I say God doth not lead into Temptation neither doth he tempt any with evill Jam. 1.13 but he suffereth Temptations to come that he may try his Joh. 1.12 and blessed is he that endureth Temptation for when he is tried he shall receive the Crown of life which the Lord hath promised to them that love him but you are hardly sensible of a Temptation who are asleepe in security and ignorance that can scarce speak a word of sense in matters of salvation as your teachers say and in carnality deepe in the iniquity or in sin unturned to God c. but such as are convinced with the light of Christ in their consciences and are awakened out of security having their minds turned with the light from darknesse and sin towards God to wait upon him who are taught by Christ the true Teacher of his they are by him supported and taught from a true sense how to pray and they know that he whose the Kingdoms true power and glory is Math. 11.27 28. who giveth them rest doth teach them to watch and to pray that they by his power may be kept for entering into Temptation as they take his Counsel and abide therein Heb. 2.18 who himselfe was Tempted Luke 22.28 but did overcome and did not enter into the same Math. 4. who is the way to lead out such as him follow Joh. 14.6 Joh. 8.12 and obey Heb. 5.8.9 and it is no sin to be Tempted but to enter into the Temptation which
day of the 11th month in the yeare 1655. Richard Farnsworth To the Catechisme c. Set forth by the 42. Priests c. ANd in your Catechism you say you believe there is one only God in 3 persons I answer That there is one God is true and you are proved and have confessed that you are wrongers of his Son Christ Jesus and then of him for he and his Father is one Joh. 10.30 And there is three that beare witnesse in Heaven the Father the word and the Spirit and these three are one 1 Joh. 5.7 but where is those three persons you speake of are you not liers therein for he that abides in the doctrine of Christ hath both the Father and the Son 2 Joh. 9. and the Holy Ghost remaines within in the Saints Joh. 14.15 16 17. and these three are one and agree in the unity 1 Joh. 5.7 8. and as Christ hath said I in them and thou in me that they may be made perfect in one Joh. 17.23 and the unity stands in the eternity which is shut out of the reach of your carnality that are out of the unity and in the enmity and selfe separation wrongers of men and of Christ as you say you are therefore you speake of things which you are not in the true knowledge of and feeds peoples fancies with your conceivings and imaginations you say also that God made man for himselfe but you are gone farr from the end for which you were made that are turned wrongers of him in wronging people and his Son and in running further from him as your selves confesse and so under the curse for you say that he gave a law requireing perfect obedience upon paine of death and if he requires you perfectly to obey him upon paine of death are you not under that penalty and lyable to that paine and punishment that instead of yeilding perfect obedience denieth it in denying perfection and so perfect obedience who live in miscarriages growing worse and worse and running further from God and saying that the doctrine of God the Father and his Son viz the doctrine of Sinlesse perfection were bred by the Devil and detested by Christ and never received by any that had grace c. When the same doctrine was preached and commanded both by God and Christ and both believed in and received by such as had grace guiding them and such as yeild perfect obedience to the divine will and law of God them you revile and are not ashamed to call them heretiques and cast them into Prison if they do but walke up into the same things which you preach in words and speake of and seeing you out of the life of the same tell you of it though now you have confessed it that you are of what you set others to get instead of owning perfection and yeilding perfect obedience to the law and will of God you persecute them that do and lives your selves in the disobedience to the divine law and will of God and are in your covenant with sin and imperfection in the miscarriages and as you say wronging both Christ and men as thou Richard Baxter and you 42 hath done but thou and you all are seen and your covers will not hide you but leaves you bare who are out of the doctrine of Christ and under condemnation and in danger of stverlasting paine and death due to the disobedient except you consider betime and truly repent give over deceiving of soules yeild perfect obedience as you say that you may come out of imperfection and persecution and forsake your miscarriages and give over wronging Christ and men make restitution and humble your selves under the mighty hand of God and make it manifest not by your flatteries and excuses serpent-like and still continue or grow worse and worse in the miscarriages and wronging God men c. but by ceaseing your persecution and your preaching for hire and beareing rule by your meanes c. and turning to that of God which reproves in secret for your miscarriages and forsake them and your lusts and make your amendment and returne manifest by your fruits and live not in your flatteries but as you have confessed your wrong to the people and promised your amendment make good your word and go make restitution for them for the same and give over your trade of d●ceit there is many Scriptures which you have summed together and set people to get over mixing your deceipt and imaginations amongst them and hath not the Pope and Bishops as you do garnished and painted themselves in their masse books Pulpits and Catechisms c. with the Saints words when they was as farr from the Saints Spirit life and practise as you are and you for all your painting and garnishing your selves are as farr from the Saints life and practise as they were And if the people get all your words to say over will that change their nature which hath not yet changed yours and did not your Fore-fathers use it before you and yet left you where they was except more painted outwardly and grown more subtle but within full of venome cruelty and persecution and out of the life and power of truth as is made manifest for you say in your third Answer where you speak your own condition that as men did willfully sin and fall from God and happinesse you say in your 19 page that you are wrongers of Christ and men and in the neglect of the work of God and in miscarriages c page 3.4 in your Agreement then are not you in that condition entered willfully into them through Satans temptation and are not you in that condition under the wrath in the fall under the curse nay do I say any more herein then you have confessed for you say that man being tempted did willfully sin and I say you that are wrongers of Christ and of men you have done the same and so fell from God and hapinesse into miscarriages persecution and wickednesse under the wrath of God and curse of the law and the power of the Devill through disobed●ence as you are so say you in your third answer we are by nature dead in sin I say then you are not by grace yet quickened who are from the divine life and what can dead men act in that death and life of sin for God but against him and is not that the cause that the killing ignorance you speake or remaines yet unkilled amongst you and your people that are asleep as you say in security in sin unturned to God ignorance of that which concernes their salvation and therefore doth make it appeare that you are strangers from the life of Jesus and the covenant of promise and knoweth not the life of truth nor the quickening of the soule nor yet how to kill the killing ignorance that remaines amongst you unkilled and dead men that are dead from the divine life set up dead Papers and dead words without life