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A65887 A serious search into Jeremy Ives's questions to the Quakers who are herein cleared from his scornful abuses : and Jer. Ives himself manifest to be no Christian from his own observations, reviling, ostentation, &c. / by a witness for Christianity in faith and life, George Whitehead. Whitehead, George, 1636?-1723. 1674 (1674) Wing W1958; ESTC R5315 30,089 74

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Untruth for both our Religion and Principles as well as our Personal Reputations are concern'd in our Charge against Tho. Hicks as appears plainly both in his Forgeries Perversions and Slanders which concern both Doctrine and Practice but it seems Jeremy is very raw and unversed in the Controversies between us and yet his Confidence will serve him to engage in the Quarrel for Tho. Hicks To the second He counts this another of our poor Put-offs and Unreasonable that he should make good any more then he has charg'd against us He counts it unreasonable then to personate T. H. in the Matter that we charge against him was it not then Unreasonable he should so deeply engage for him before But Jeremy sayes He is ready to make good what he has charged against us by the Grace of God if we DARE meet him But this is to be understood as a distinct Offer of it self without Respect to the Matter about Tho. Hicks However it is but single Daring and Vapouring Jeremy still whose Brags and Attempts we value not but slight his Folly therein To the third He counts this impertinent When saith he we tell them they are no Christians either of one sort or another This he tells the Quakers and it is but his own telling and I do not think but he doth in this violate some better Perswasions and Convictions that he has had in himself And while he confesseth that he is a good Christian that hath a Rule for his Faith and Practice in the Christian-Religion and endeavours to the uttermost of his Strength and Understanding to believe and live accordingly He concludes they are No Christians that have no Rule for their Faith and Practice in the Christian Religion and such are the Quakers saith he pag. 14. See what an Imperious and Censorious Judge this is He says we have No Rule though we prosess believe and practically own the Guidance of the Spirit of Christ and in Subjection thereto do own the Holy Scriptures And for our Lives and Conversations I hope he doth not conclude that either the People called Quakers in general are therein Unchristian or that his own is more Christian then theirs how comes he then to presume that we have not the Spirit of Christ or none of his Light in us for a Rule in affirming that the Quakers have No Rule for their Faith and Practice in the Christian Religion But this Presumption is not strange to us since he could openly tell William Gibson and me that We were not inlightened with the Light of Christ. I could not but then take notice of the Man's Insolency and Foolish Censoriousness but how doth he prove that the Quakers have No Rule for their Faith and Practice in the Christian Religion and therefore are no Christians He thus attempts it viz. That though George Keith to keep up your Credit with the People said The Scriptures were onned by you as a Seoundary Rule for your Faith and Practice yet Edw. Burroughs contradicts him and tells us in so many words That the Scriptures are NO Rule or Guide of Faith and Life to the Saints see his Works fol. 515. and reconcile your Prophets as well as you can Thus far Jeremy He would make the World believe that he has here given the Quakers a deadly Blow in rendring their Prophets irreconcileable yea and to fasten the Contradiction he saith that E. B. tells us in so many words That the Scriptures are NO RULE or Guide of Faith c. for this he bids us see his Works fol. 515. How now bold Jeremy I have seen the place quoted by thee and thou hast manifestly belyed Edw. Burroughs to prove thy false Charge for Edwards Words in the place are thus viz. The Scriptures are profitable and were given forth to be read and to be fulfilled yet they are not THE RULE and Guide of Faith and Life unto the Saints but the SPIRIT of God that gave forth the Scriptures that is THE RULE and Guide Teacher and Leader into all Truth See also his following words in the next Clause affirming That the Scriptures are the Words of God that the Spirit of God is THE RULE of Faith and Life to the Saints that men ought to search the Scriptures and believe what is therein written c. See now Jeremy that Edward Burroughs his words are not as thou citest them that the Scriptures are NO RULE but that they are not THE RULE and Guide of Faith and Life unto the Saints but the Spirit and yet the Scriptures to be Searched Read and Fulfilled so that he denyes them not but plainly implyes them to be A RULE but not THE RULE that is not the most Eminent or Highest Rule but the Spirit And how doth this contradict George Keith's saying That we own the Scriptures as a Secundary Rule which also implies a primary or Principal Rule to wit the Holy Spirit as well as E. B. doth in his words before For my part I cannot understand any more Contradiction between saying The Scriptures are a Secundary Rule and yet not THE RULE and Guide of Faith and Life unto the Saints then there is between saying Jeremy Ives is a Baptist Preacher and yet not the principal Preacher among them or between Jeremy Ives's being a Man and yet not the Chief or Best of Men though I confess this too mean an Instance for the Subject before but only somewhat to illustrate the Distinction I was unwilling to have charged Jeremy with Forgery from the Place he quotes in saying that E. B. tells us in so many words that the Scriptures are NO Rule But now upon Enquiry and Search into his Falshood herein I am satisfied that I should do him no Wrong to charge It upon him and let the Place quoted by him in E. B's Works determine it Again I find no Inconsistency between William Smith's confessing Christ and the Spirit of God to be the Rule for trying Spirits searching the Heart and not the Scriptures yet confessing them to be of great Service and G. K.'s owning the Scriptures for a Secundary Rule that Christ should be preferred before and above the Scriptures both as to trying and discovering and yet they serviceable in their place as Christ opens the Understanding in them can be no Opposition But Jeremy objects That the Quakers deny the Scriptures to be a Rule of Faith and Practice comprehensive of the whole Duty of Man 1. That they are so comprehensive as declaring the whole Duty of Man respecting Faith and Practice as to the Sum and Substance thereof respecting Man's Salvation I know none of us deny But that they are not that Manifesting Rule of every particular Act of Faith and Obedience that God may require respectively I think this Opposer cannot deny but that he hath granted thus much at sundry Discourses as with respect to such Prophets and Messengers as God might for ought he knew raise up in these dayes and peculiarly commissionate and