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A65842	A brief discovery of the dangerous principles of John Horne (a priest in Lin) and Thomas Moore junior both teachers of the people called Mooreians or Manifestarians, (and called by some free-willers or independants.) In answer to their book called A brief discovery of the people called Quakers, and a warning to all people to beware of them and of their dangerous principles, &c. Which book is a false narrative of two disputes, the one which they had with John Whitehead at Gedney in Lincoln-shire, and the other with Geo. Whitehead and Geo. Fox the younger, at Lin in Norfolke, both in the seventh moneth, 1659. Also priest Horns testimony against his brethren the priests. This is to go amonst the professors in England in discovery of the truth; ... By the truth which is in George Whitehead. John Whitehead. George Fox the younger.	Whitehead, George, 1636?-1723.; Whitehead, John, 1630-1696. aut; Fox, George, d. 1661. aut	1659 (1659)	Wing W1896; ESTC R220960	30,510	44

truth of Christ In p. 14. John Horne and Moore have affirmed The Scriptures to be the Medium of Faith from John 17. 20. where it s said neither pray I for these alone but for them also which shall believe on me through their word and Acts 17. 11. 12. of the Bereans searching the Scriptures c. Answ. There is no such Scripture as saith that the Scriptures are the Medium of Faith for they through whose word many believed were not Ministers of the Letter but of the spirit and their Word was before the Letter or writing was and it came in Spirit and in Power and this Word which they Preached was nigh people even in their hearts Rom. 10. And as for the Bereans they first received the Word with all readiness of minde and then searched the Scriptures whether these things were so so it was the Word which brought them to believe and to search the Scriptures and so we say the Scriptures are truely to be believed and fulfilled but that which brings any truely to believe and fulfill them is Christ the Word the Author and finisher of faith unto whom they would not come for life who thought they had Eternal life in the Scriptures Joh. 5. 39 40. In pag. 15 John Horne and Thomas Moore have accused John Whitehead with saying that the Apostles did not bring light to men but onely pointed to what they had before Answ. John Whitehead doth witness against them for perverting his words as it hath been examined the words are not so affirmed by him but this we say that the Apostles did not bring another light to people then that which had enlightned them before they Preacht to them and though the light was more in the Apostles then in them they Preacht to yet it was the same in nature in both though known in several measures and they who will not own the light in the least measure of it in them they must not know the greater nor the glory which the light of Christ shining in the heart gives the knowledge of in them that receive it Again Horne and Moore say Indeed this is a main piece of corrupt Doctrine that we Preach that all have the light of Christ in them and that that is whatsoever reproves any sin in men Ans. Here they might as well have accused Christ and the Apostles for using corrupt Doctrine for Christ saith I am the light of the world and John said of him that was the true light which enlightneth every man that comes into the world and that which may be known of God is manifest in them who are in unrighteousness and like not to retain God in their knowledge Rom. 1. and the grace of God which bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men and this is the free gift of God which if it were not given to all men then wherefore shall the wicked be condemned and what is it in them that must leave them without excuse and who can you shew us that have not a light of Christ in them to reprove them when they have done evil And you have again here wickedly wronged us for we do not affirm that whatsoever reproves any sin is the light of Christ but whatsoever makes manifest things that are reproved is light and the light reproves every sin But such as you that are in deceit and out of the light do sometimes reprove sin when you live in it your selves but the light of Christ in you will reprove you for it Again in p. 16. You John Horn and Thomas Moore say That this way of ours exposes men to follow their own spirits which we represent as a candle in every man Answ. This is false for our way exposes men not to follow their own spirits nor sparkes of their own kindling as you say but to follow the light of Christ which lighteth the spirit of a man and makes it become the candle of the Lord that it enlightens the inward parts Another of your lies against us is where in pag. 17. you accuse George Whitehead with deriding at mens faith in the death and bloodshed of Christ beyond the Sea for they who truely have faith and hope through Christs sufferings which reacheth within the vail that is to say Christs flesh that faith we own as knowing the Word of it to be in the heart that we have it not to fetch beyond the Sea nor from above nor from beneath but it s nigh in the heart and in the mouth And to our question which was whether the light that lighteth every man be a natural light or a spiritual light You John Horne and T. Moore answers pag. 17. 18. That that light is Christ and the light with which he lighteth men is both natural and spiritual Reply Here again you are taken in your own snare for in your saying the light is both natural and spiritual mark it is not the lights are both natural and spiritual but the light is so here you could not prove one light that is both natural and spiritual and contrary to the Scriptures have you spoken for in Christ was life and the life was the light of men which is not natural but spiritual therefore this your errour may lie upon you In pag. 18. You say That for so much as all men receive not Christ and his light therefore all have not his light in them Answ. This is a poor Argument the Spirit of the Lord and the grace of God hath appeared in many who have resisted it and not received it and a measure of it is in such to condemn them as the Kingdom of God was in the Scribes and Pharisces and yet they received it not nor Christ when they hated him And to that of Isai. 8. 20. where it is said there is no light in them John Horne saith the word in the Hebrew is sometimes used to signifie the morning and we have read it no morning in stead of no light but then saith he Christ is called the morning Star so that if there be no morning light in man there is none of his light who is the morning light Answ. Here his ignorance appears again for the light of Christ shines in darkness in some before the morning and that led some to the arising of the Day-star in their Hearts and so the light of Christ who is the morning light to some appears as a Candle in the darkness to others and is not the morning light to them until they by it see the morning in them and the light which hath shined in darkness arising out of darkness so that the light of Christ is both the evening light and the morning light Page 19. Again John Horn and Thomas Moore have accused us with telling Mr. Townsend as they call him That the light was wholly departed from him Answ. Herein have you impudently belyed us for the words against Townsend are not so spoken but that from the light of God in his

Conscience he is departed so blush and be ashamed of your lyes for in like manner did a false Priest in Cambridge belye us in a lying Pamphlet with the very same thing In Page 20. you John Horn and Thomas Moore have accused James Nayler with his discovering more fully the mysterie of Deceit in his Book called Love to the Lost in saying That the Seed to which the Promise was made and which few know is a certain Seed or Principle in man desiring to follow after God and to be free from sin Reply Here you are seen to be ignorant of the Seed of God and enemies to it in his People which Seed is Christ and where-ever he is known in such a low measure as a Seed that suffers and is burthened in man by corruption there he desires to be free from the burthen of sin and alwayes to do his Fathers will and this Seed the power reaches to where it is begotten and in the power it arises in them that believe in the light for their Redemption and the Apostle travelled again for the Galatians until Christ was formed in them who first is known as one without form or comliness and so the seed of God suffers in some and in others it reigns and is known to be Prince of Peace and this is no Mystery of Deceit as you say but a mystery that hath discovered your Deceit who know not the Seed of the Kingdom nor the power wherein it rises and have you never known what Christ is without the Camp But before you who are neglecters of Christ and abusers of his truth can know the Seed of God and what it is in you you must come to the light which will condemn you for your Deceits and Lyes with which you have abused the Truth and then learn to know what and where the grave is which Christ hath made with the Wicked J. Horn and T. Moore in Page 20. saith But I shall adde no more but only desire People to beware of them as a heavy judgement of God that he hath ordered to us to punish us for our neglect of Christ the Salvation of God and the Truth of him so long abused by us Answ. Here you have made manifest your selves indeed ye Hypocrites what have ye been crying out of the Quakers calling them deceivers and warning the people to beware of them and Writing against them and judging them to be in delusion and error when ye your selves neglect Christ the Salvation of God and have long abused his Truth as ye are made to confess consider your own Conditions ye are in great delusion and error your selves who neglect Christ the Salvation of God and have long abused his Truth and ye are not like neither can ye bring people to Christ the Salvation of God and his Truth who are neglectors of Christ Gods Salvation and his Truth your selves Therefore people had need take heed and beware of following you lest ye lead them to neglect Christ the Salvation of God and to abuse his Truth more and more you are the Hypocrites that are not to judge whose beam is yet in your own eyes for wherein ye judge others for error and delusion ye condemn your selves ye being such as ye confess that neglect Christ the Salvation of God and abuse his Truth and if we be as ye say a Judgment ordered of God to punish you for your neglect of Christ the Salvation of God and the Truth of him so long abused by you Why do you not then bear the Judgment of God more patiently seeing ye have sinned so against him in abusing his Truth and in neglecting Christ the Salvation of God Why do you rage so against Gods Judgment Here all People may see That ye are not satisfied nor content with what God hath ordered unto you for your neglect of Christ the Salvation of God and the Truth of him so long abused by you but we shall yet be a heavier Judgment upon you for we are a burthensome-Stone to all the ungodly and the more ye strive against us the greater will be your Torment therefore give over your Teaching of others and be ashamed of your blindness and wickedness and repent and cease striving and raging against the Truth of God and us his People for the more ye strive against us and the Truth which we live in and are Witnesses of which Truth is Christ who also is in us which is the Riches of the Mysterie which hath been hid from Ages and Generations but is now revealed in the Saints by the light Mark the greater will be your Judgment and burthen and this ye shall witness to be true so abuse Gods Truth no longer neither neglect Christ the Salvation of God as ye have done but submit to Gods Judgment and learn to prize Christ the Salvation of God and his Truth and believe therein and fight no longer against the Lord and his Truth and Servants lest he shorten your dayes and cut you off So remember you are warned whether you will hear or forbear John Horn and Thomas Moore And indeed the cause of then prevalency is partly in the Teachers and partly in the people Answ. The cause of our prevailing is not in man but in God even the mighty powerful prefence of the Lord which doth accompany us whereby we reach the faithful Witness of God in people which answereth to the Truth of God declared by us and thereby many are turned from darknesse to light and from Satans power unto God and we must prevail more and more for the Lord is opening peoples eyes and he will teach them himself and many people begins to see the deceipt and wickedness of such Teachers as ye are who abuse Gods Truth and neglect Christ the Salvation of God and although you have a form of godliness and have stoln many true words yet many people sees you to be out of the power and fighters against it and them that be in it and so they will turn away from you and all that sets themselves against us shall fall before us for the Lord is with us and takes our part See J. Horn's Testimony against his Brethren the Priests John Horn Thomas Moore pag. 20 21. Too many of the Teachers are such as Isaiah speakes of Isa. 56. 1● 11 12. his Watchmen which should watch for the good of men are too generally blind the Vision of all the Preaching of the Cross of Christ is a sealed Book to them they are ignorant they are dumb Dogs that cannot bark to give warning of these Beasts or to set themselves to discover and detect them sleeping in their security and lying down loving to slumber to take their ease and peace and to content themselves with Dreams instead of searching out Truth and giving it forth to the People yea they are Dogs strong to appetite greedy Dogs hunting after Livings and Maintenances more Means and so never have enough too many of them Shepherds that

1 2. laying aside all malice and all guile mark all guile and hypocrisy the word and being his distinction he might as well say that envie is not malice because there is and between them but in that thing many saw his folly at the dispute in his affirming that all sin is not guile when as all guile doth only include one sin as he would have it but all sin and any one sin makes a man guilty and so he hath guile in him so that he that had no guile in him had no sin in him and also John Horne hath turned George Whiteheads words about this thing in saying that be said Guile is a transgression of the Law therefore guile is all sin which is falsely framed for the words were to this effect every trangression of the Law is guile or sin and all guile includes all transgression of the Law therefore every sin is guile and what sin can they prove had Nathaniel in him when he had no guile in him they must either prove some sin that was then in him or else see themselves confuted J. Horne and T. Moore in the 3. and 4. pages of their Book say That in the Declaration by Edward Burrough page 4. that we believe the Saints upon earth may be perfectly freed from the body of sin and death herein we are concluded to be Preachers of Lyes and Errors this they charge the Quakers with and yet they say We are compleat in Christ and by the Grace of Christ received shall be and may be here made perfect hearted with Christ but that some are sinlesse here neither Christ nor any Apostle or Prophet ever preached of any therefore the Quakers are deceivers Ans. Here they might as well have accused the true Prophets and Apostles with being Preachers of Lyes and deceivers for they witnessed to the same the Quakers witnesse to as said the Prophet blessed are the undefiled in the way mark undefiled in the way they also do no iniquity Psal. 119. 1 2 3. and saith the Lord ye shall be clean from all your filthinesse Ezek. 36. 25. and Christ exhorted his to be perfect as their heavenly Father is perfect Matt. 5. 48. and every one that is perfect shall be as his Lord and the same Apostle who said ye are compleat in Christ said in whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh Col. 2. 10 1. Now the same spirit in J. Horne and T. Moore that hath accused the Quakers with being deceivers for bearing witnesse to these Truths would have accused the true Prophets Christ and his Apostles for being deceivers but their confusion and railing against the Innocent is here made manifest who notwithstanding have confessed a compleatnesse and perfect heartednesse with Christ here and so in pleading for sin in this life are sighting against their own words for they who are compleat in Christ are perfectly freed from sin being compleat in Christ in whom there is no sin and know this that sinners are out of the compleatnesse which the Saints have in Christ and the heare that hath sin dwelling in it is not perfect much more might be said to this John Horne and Thomas Moore p. 3. to prove that they who have believed in Christ comes not to prove the first Adams state before the fall say that Adam before his fall had neither sin in him nor death upon but surely the Quakers must die as well as other mens Adam also before his fall was under a Covenant of works doe this and live and might possibly sin and dye but not so the believers Answ. Mark their heap of confusion here they own that the Believers in Christ are come to a further state or Covenant then Adam was in before the fall who then had no sin in him and yet have accused the Believers with having the body of sin or not being perfect while they are here and Adam might possibly sin and dye but not so the Believers they say And as for the Quakers dying because of which they would accuse them with being sinners here their darknesse appears for Believers dying the natural death doth not prove them sinners while they are here for through death they gain more of the Peace and Glory of God which they partake of in their life time and what doth John Horne believe that Adam might not have dyed the natural death if he had not sinned for Christ dyed who had no sin that he might destroy the death which came by sin and him that hath the power of it and they who dye in the Lord are blessed and to dye is gain unto them Phil. 1. 2● so that righteous mens dying was not charged upon them as a reward for their sin but witnessed to be gain unto them before whose decease their sins are done away and he that believeth hath everlasting life yet the wages of sin is death to them who are not freed from it by the gift of God which is life and God said to Adam in the day thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely dye but Adam lost not his natural life in the day he eat of the tree of knowledge for after that he lived in the body and as for the Covenant that Adam was under before the full it was a Covenant of life for he was in the image of God and a living soule having the breath of life in him and had dominion in it while he stood in his habitation and this state have the true Believers proved and witnessed that life and nature image that was in man before the fall though they be come further in the second Adam who is greater then the first Adam and as for Adam before the fall being under a Covenant of works do this and live as if he had not lived when he was in innocency till he did something to merit life you have here spoken ignorantly for that Covenant of works was established by the Law after the fall and the Law entered because of transgression till the Seed came which Seed destroyes sin and redeems the Creature out of the fall and out of the death which came by sin P. 4. And in their second charge against us called Quakers J. Horne and T. Moor have accused us to be reprobates concerning faith as touching he person of Christ for they say we did not nor could be brought to acknowledge that Christ is glorified in the heavens without all men the heavens above the clouds and distinct from the visible earth in the same body which suffered was crucified dead and buried c. And this have they questioned several times altering their own words and then in page 5. asking whether Christ hath any body of flesh and bones distinct from all other bodies and spirits of men to which they say we would by no means be drawn to give a direct answer But then mark how they have again contradicted themselves

people are overcome and led captive by the Quakers and say John Horn Thomas Moore It s through their own carelesness and formality or also through their Teachers they are not so instructed as to be able to examine and discern them Through their carelesness and weakness therethrough in their understanding of the things of God and conceiting themselves to know and be able to judge and discern of spirits they neglect the helpfulness and gifts of brethren as also the advice of their Teachers and instructors that have the oversight of them and spoken to them the Word of the Lord Answ. Oh be ashamed to see what a bad crop is brought forth what have you been Teachers so long and taking peoples mony for this that notwithstanding they have owned you and your Doctrine and followed you so long that yet they should bring forth no better fruits then these as carelesness and formality and conceitedness and neglect and weakness in understanding the things of God ye have sown but to the fleshly part and that 's the cause you have such a corrupt crop And now we see your Kingdom is near falling who are accusing your fellow Teachers for not instructing the people so as to be able to examine and discern us and the people are led captive already who brings forth such bad fruits as these and had you spoken the Word of the Lord to them and they had believed it surely they would have brought forth better fruits but because you have but stoln from your neighbours much of what you have spoke and added your own imaginations thereto and hath run but the Lord hath not sent you that is the cause you have not profited the people though you have believed what you have spoke and have contended much for your Doctrine yet ye receiving it not from the Lord it was without life and power and so was not effectual to the people John Horn Thomas Moore Oh that all both Ministers and people would yet be awakened to search and try our wayes and to make straight steps to our goings Answ. Yes ye had need to be awakned indeed for it is manifest that ye both Teachers and people have been asleep in the night of thick darkness and you have brought forth night works neglecting Christ the salvation of God and abusing his tru●h taking no pleasure therein but rather in slothfulness formality covetousness pride and vanity in apparrel and many other things and Teachers not instructing people so as they might be able to examine and discern such as come unto them Ye sluggish Shepherds who are yet to be awakened what have you taken peoples mony and goods for all this time was it for your sleeping and dreaming awake awake ye sluggards and own the light of Christ which he hath enlightned you withal and that will shew you your dreaming and the deeds of the night and that will teach you to make straight steps to your goings and to search and try your wayes John Horn Thomas Moore Look to your selves whosoever transgresseth and abideth not in the Doctrine of Christ hath not God he that abideth in the Doctrine of Christ hath both the Father and the Son Answ. Then it is manifest that you Thomas Moore and John Horn have not God and out of your own mouths ye shall be Judged for in the 20. pag. of your Book you speak of the heavy Judgement of God that he hath ordered to you to punish you for your neglect of Christ the Salvation of God and the truth of him so long abused by you now it is plain to any that have any true understanding that such as neglect Christ the Salvation of God and abuse his truth that they transgresse and abide not in the Doctrine of Christ and this you have confessed your selves to be guilty of and now your blindness and folly and confusion and wickedness is discovered by the spirit and wisdom of God which abideth in us who abide in the Doctrine of Christ and have both the Father and the Son Many more of your lies and slanders and confusion we could shew you in your Book but that they are not worth the mentioning And think not with your selves that because we reckon not up the rest of your accusations and railing against us that therefore we consent to them as truth for we know that the Lord God will judge and punish you for your perverting the truth and your railing against us and slandering and belying us called Quakers as you have done both in your Book and in many Papers of John Hornes that were posted up against us in Lin and this know that the Lord God of power hath by his mighty power and wisdom armed us to make War against you and to manifest your deceits who are found to be forgers of lyes and deceivers and in enmity against the living truth of God and the longer you proceed therein against us and the truth witnessed by us the more will you be confounded and your folly made manifest that so the honest hearted will begin to loath you and you had better have put your mouths in the dust and been silent then to have blasphemed against the truth of God and against his people as you have done leave your hypocrisie and deceit wherewith you blind the people and feed them no longer with your dreams lyes and stoln dead words least the Lord cut you off in your iniquity for a time of withering is already come upon you And as for you who are the Hearers of the said John Horn and Thomas Moor our Souls pitty you knowing you are under a vail of thick darkness and bondage as we can no otherwise conclude seeing your leaders are tryed and found so much in ignorance and confusion and we wish rather then you would remain under their darkness and deceits that you would come back to the witness of God which hath in many of you been often moving but often hath been quenched through yielding to the sleights and deceits of men and striving to get more into knowledge then into the life and power and now you are but feeding death and seeking the living among the dead while ye go to them for help who are out of the power of God in their own imaginations wherein they are confounded and if ever you come to the Fathers House and there to find the spiritual nourishment you must first return to the light of the Lord in you which you have transgressed and grieved when often it hath appeared against your ungodliness And we would not have you think much against us because we have here dealt plainly by your Teachers in discovering them for we were first occasioned to give forth this because of their false railing book against us or else we had not thus appeared in publick against them and compare this and their book together and you may soon see if you read them sincerely how deservedly we have dealt by them more then they have by us for we sent Queries to John Horn and Thomas Moor in manuscript for them to answer not expecting they would have wronged us as they have done in Print And therefore if they in like manner do again proceed against us in Print we purpose in the Lord further to have their deceits discovered publickly that the truth which is professed and dearly owned by us may be cleared and its enemies have the fruits of their own doings Post-script AND seeing that ye called Moorians hold forth That flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God yet flesh and bones may we ask you these Questions If Elijahs flesh and bones could enter into Gods Kingdom when he was taken up and if his blood could not then when and where and how and by whom was his blood taken and separated from his flesh and bones And what is become of his blood And what is it that hinders the blood that it may not enter into Gods Kingdom as well as the flesh and bones which ye say may Is the transgression of the blood greater then the transgression of the flesh and bones And shall the flesh and bones be redeemed and delivered from corruption and shall not the blood What is the Cause For although the Lord doth what he please yet doth he do any thing without a Cause And whether do you own that Doctrine that when Christ appeared amongst the Disciples after his Resurrection when the doors were shut John 20. 19. that then his body being spiritualized it glided in at the key-hole of the door Which doctrine Thomas Moor sen hath formerly preached as some hath affirmed who heard him And where do the Scriptures say That flesh and bones may in herit the Kingdom of God And where you John Horn and Thomas Moor in page 16. say That Sathan doubtless may reprove of some sins and press to some duties Now have you not here shewn your selves to be Ministers of Sathan and not of Christ And we ask you what duties or any things that are duties doth Sathan press men to Answer directly or let shame cover you which at length will come upon you for your deceits THE END