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A54003 A just rebuke to one & twenty learned and reverend divines (so called) being an answer to an abusive epistle against the people call'd Quakers subscrib'd by : Thoman Manton, Thomas Jacomb, John Yates, John Sheffield, Anthony Palmer, Thomas Cole, Thomas Doelittel, Richard Baxter, William Cooper, George Griffith, Matthew Barker, John Singleton, Andrew Parsons, Richard Mayo, Thomas Gouge, William Jenkyn, Thomas Watson, Benjamin Needler, William Carslake, Stephen Ford, Samuel Smith / by William Penn. Penn, William, 1644-1718. 1674 (1674) Wing P1131; ESTC R208998 24,420 33

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obnoxious Tenets we usually mask under Expressions Doubtful Vnintelligible or under Scripture and Orthodox Phrases If Doubtful your Consequences can not be Certain If Vnintelligible you infer that which you do not know If Scriptural and Orthodox you must either tell us how you come to know our Meanings to be Contradictory to our Phrases and prove them such or you must acknowledge that we stand upon Equal Terms with your selves I do not say upon no better for as great Infidels as you would have us to be we have both Discretion and Religion enough not to write such Abusive and Contradictory Things as so fluently drop from the pens of One and Twenty Learned and Reverend Divines But your Incharity far exceeds your Indiscretion You make us to know Poyson and to hide Poyson giving for Antidotes Destructives to the Souls of Men and Women I would fain know why the Conscience of a Quaker should not be as good as the Conscience of a Presbyterian or an Independent what Mischiefs have we made our selves Authors of to the World that it should not be as valid every Jot Have we no Souls to be sav'd Is there no Desire in us that they may be sav'd No Honesty No Con●cience No Fear of God All animated to such Evil Purposes as the Wilful Damning of our selves the Proselyting others into Eternal Misery and rather then not compass such an End expose our selves to all sort of Sufferings in this World Oh bitter Invective God the Searcher of Hearts will require this Injustice at your hands You have unworthily traduc'd the Reputation of those who dare meet with you upon a publick Test to prove their Integrity to God and Men Why will you give such occasion to remind you of Old Stories But of that anon Had you judg'd us Ignoramus's you had been kind to the Cruelty of making us designed Murderers to our own and other mens Souls God forgive you But this I must tell you that it is not We That say one thing and think another but You and such as you are that make us think another thing then what we say and then entitle us to your own Inventions I must further tell you We make it not our Business as you falsly insinuate to decoy People into antifundamental Principles for besides that we know none to be such that we hold we make not our Religion to stand in a Belief of so many verbal Articles but a Conformity of Soul to the Grace of God It is a great part of our Work to dehort People from curious Enquiry after Notions Opinions be they never so true in themselves knowing how much more beneficial it is to Men and well-pleasing to God to have an Honest Heart then a Full Head DOING is degenerated into TALKING and the LIFE of Religion into Contention about the NOTION of it Such Christians will not stand in God's Day Besides many of those who are otherwise remote enough from saying any thing in favour of the Quakers do frequently acknowledge that They generally preach and press Good Living It is our Desire to bring men into a Sence of God's Grace in their own Hearts and to know the effectual Operatio●s of it to the Renewing of their Mind to God And That Divine Assistance within and right Vse of the holy Scriptures without are enough to inform them of what is fit to be believed And though you would have People think very severe things of us with respect to the Scriptures of Truth by telling them the Quakers hold That the Scriptures are not the Word of God nor a Rule of Faith and Pract●c● yea that we readily assert it in so many words I must tell you you have acted with us herein far from men of common Ingenuity A man might at this rate by Scripture prove There is no God if he would but leave out The Fool hath said in his Heart We deny the Scriptures in that sense wherein you deny them to be the Word of God that is to say The Word that was in the beginning with God and was God which you call the Ess●ntial Word and because we find in no place that it calls it self The Word of God we rather chuse to say The Scriptures given forth by Inspiration are the Words of God The like Abuse you put upon us about denying them to be a Rule of Faith and Practice you leave what makes for us behind that you may make your Advantage of what you take That the Scripture is not a Rule in all things therein exprest you your selves consess respecting the Dispensation of the Jews and other things and that there may be somethings wherein the Scriptures cannot be a Rule I presume you will not deny and that they are not a Rule in any Case the import of your Charge we utterly deny for we believe and know they contain many godly Rules I shall place this to the rest of your Account of Calumnies and so proceed One and Twenty Divines Though the Reverend Author hath shewed you how much infidelity is among them and how many of the very Essentials of Christianity their Leaders contradict and how consequently they are indeed no Christians yet it is not his purpose as he plainly premiseth to fix this sad Character upon all those who pass under the Name of Quakers There are divers of them who are honest and well-meaning Persons W.P. Methinks you are got into a very kind mood of a sudden but it holds not a whole page for you tell us soon after That the whole Body of this People seems to be judicially deserted of God If so then no more Christians then their Leaders as you are pleased to call them neither Honest nor Well-meaning unless God judicially d●serts honest and well-meaning People In the next page you call them Wasps of Satan's H●ving who have Hives but no Honey or sweetness of Spirit except for themselves The less we have the more you have And would not one think you all Honey by your Writings How can you expect that we should have any to spare whom you make to have so little if any at all And what need is there of giving to them that think they have so much already The Truth is we are Wasps and you are Bees by one and the same Figure We know that you have always a good Name for your selves and have long loved the Honey-Pot But where did you get it Did you gather it No such mat●er Of who then Of the People no doubt they Toyl and you Talk they are the Bees and you so many cunning Hivers at the Tinkling of whose Bells the silly Bees assemble and when you have safely Hived them your next Business is to take their Honey from them Howbeit if we are Wasps then not Bees by which I suppose you intend Christians if so your Charity is at an end and those you Christian'd with J. Faldo just now you do here manifestly Vnchristian unless Wasps be
A JUST REBUKE TO One Twenty Learned and Reverend DIVINES So called Being an Answer to an Abusive Epistle against the People call'd Quakers subscrib'd by Thomas Manton Thomas Jacomb John Yates John Sheff●eld Anthony Palmer Thomas Cole Thomas Doelittel Richard Baxter William Cooper George Griffith Matthew Barker John Singleton Andrew Parsons Richard Mayo Thomas Gouge William Jenky● Thomas Watson Benjamin Needler William Carslake Stephen Ford Samuel Smith By William Penn. Quid enim iniquius quam ut oderint homines quod ignorant etiam si res meretur odium Tertul. Apologet. The Lord frustrateth the Tokens of the Stars and maketh Diviners mad that turneth wise Men backward and maketh their Knowledge foolish Isa. 44.24 2● Printed in the Year 1674. A JUST REBUKE TO One and Twenty Divines So called c. THe CAUSE of the GOD of TRVTH hath rarely wanted the Endeavours of men of greatest Power and Literature in almost every Age to slander it nor the constant Adherers to it contumelious Treatment for their Integrity No Virtue hath been so Conspicuous no Quality so Great no Relation so Near as to protect them from the Fury of blind Tradition and prejudic'd Education But as this ought not to discourage any that pursueth so Good and Heavenly an Interest especially when the Invincible Faith Patience and Hope of those Holy Ancients that so heartily espoused it stand before us as so many bright Examples and Encouragements so neither have the many and great Attempts of Men of divers yea opposite Interests to render us Vnfit for the Earth and what in them lyeth to invalidate our Claim to Heaven abated one Grain of our Love to Confidence in and Zeal for that worthy Cause And Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ their Essayes have been Insuccessful their Designs frustrated and not one of their Weapons form'd against our Sion hath yet prospered But Crescit sub pondere Virtus These very Sufferings God hath turn'd to our Enlargement daily rewarding our Tribulations with Patience and our Conflicts with Joy in the Holy Ghost fulfilling to us that comfortable Saying of the Apostle All things shall work together for good to them that love him Having this Encouragem●nt from God what Injury soever we sustain from Men well may we say with that Kingly Prophet Whom should we fear Of whom should we be afraid With that Godly Resolution which becometh the Justness of my Cause I enter upon my present Work and first of the Occasion We have been long threatn'd with a Report of the joynt-Endeavours of many Minist●rs which rais'd several into an Expectation of some notable Piece some grave and moderate Disquisition of what had been as frivolously as fouly mannaged by our other petulant Adversari●s that the Controversy so long depending might terminate with some Advantage to such as had made any sober Enquiry after it but we had no sooner received and lookt into the Book then we saw our selves under a very great Di●appointment for instead of some New Essay behold an Old Discourse new vampt or a new Impression of a Book twice largely consider'd and some think effectually Answer'd I mean John Faldo's Quak●rism no Christianity but now recommended as the Title-page tells us by the Epistles of many Learned and Worthy Divines But since it hath pleased so many Persons under that Character to fall in with his Di●course against us to Commend it so highly Recommend it so earn●stly and bestow so liberal an Elogie on him that wrot it I think I may without any the least Injustice look upon them as Authors of this Impression and consequently by espousing his Endeavours R●sp●nsible to the People call'd Quakers for all those Miscarriages therein rightly chargable by them upon him And I no waies doubt through God's Assistance to evidence their Concern in this Affair to carry with it an utter Inconsistency with that Superbe Title they have either given themselves or the Author or Book s●ller conferr'd upon them for the good turn of their so seasonable Epistle viz. LEARNED REVEREND and WORTHY DIVINES Words that make a fine Jingle and please and blow up Vain People at a strange rate The first Paragraph of their Epistle is a great Truth both worthy of the Minds of good Men and necessary to be consider'd at any's Entrance into the Judgment of another's Cause It runs thus One and Twenty Divines That as God is the Wise Distinguisher of Good and Evil and so loveth the Good in any as not to abate his Hatred of their Evil and so hateth the Evil as to love all that is Good So is it no small part of the Wisdom and Integrity of his Servants to Imitate him herein and not like Men blinded by Partiality to just●fie all in those whom they like and Vilifie all in those they d●slike c. W.P. One would think by this that you had Imitated God in your Conduct towards the Quakers and doubtless you writ it that those that read it should think so but why I know not unless because you looking upon your selves his Servants such ought to do so or else to give greater Credit to your Work then your selves perhaps believe it deserves But let us hear what Use you the great Men of Vses make of this Introduction I find it in the next Paragraph in these Words One and Twenty Divines This Justice we must and will observe towards this People called Quakers The Fear of God and Love of Truth forbids us to render them Worse or Better then they are W.P. Better there is little Fear you will You may turn Pelagian in the Case and exclude all Divine Assistance for I hope none are so ignorant in this Age as to think that Men of your Stamp need special Grace to keep you from the Sin of rendering the poor Quakers Better then they are How much Worse will be the Question I confess you say fair but what if you break your Word with us Must not your Censure of us fall upon your own Heads And will it not be reasonable for us to interpret your Use of so true an Expression to be a Trick to decoy People into a Belief that you had taken right Measures of us whilst you have really dealt most unjustly with us Let me a little expostulate with you in this Matter You have either read or not read the Book ye recommend If you have not read it certainly you have done very Ill to recommend it since you know not what you recommend which is not to Imitate God or do the Quakers Justice If you have read it you manifestly entitle your selves to all the Evils of it Again since the Strength of the Book depends upon Testimonies out of our Writings either you have compared his Citations with the Books themselves or ye have not if you have not and I am apt to think that 's your Case you commend him and condemn us by rote If you have compared and considered
Bands cropt Lock● exceeding plain Apparel severe Aspects with many more Instances of Preciseness and Austerity as you call it were the Subjects frothy Minds play'd upon You do not think B. Jonson acted like a Christian-Man in his Comical Representation of Puritans yet your selves call'd Learned and Reverend Divines have shown as much Injustice though it may be one and Twenty more of you could not show so much Wit It is known to God with what Sincerity we are acted in Obedience to the Convictions of his own Spirit and that it is not Affected Singularity but Real Conscience that engageth us to those things you make the Subject of your Mo●kage and Contempt and God hath to reckon with you for the Liberty you give and your People take To indulge them in that Vnchristian Latitud● and fling Monkish Aust●rities upon us who through Fear of offending Almighty God by giving Way to a Worldly Appetite conscientiously live under s●me more then ordinary Restriction is to deal deceitf●lly with them and injuriously with us and God will judge for these Things The Truth of the Matter is you are Angry the People can live without you and rack your Wits to bring that Principle People and Way into Suspicion and Hatred whose self-Denyal judgeth you and yours your Interest in People stands in that which when the Everlasting God shall terribly shake all Things will fall and such as have vainly conceited themselves Christians upon your Character they will be found without their W●dding-Garment But the Truth is nothing is well with some Men that a Quaker doth if he be retired he is sullen if plain in his Apparel Cynical if careless about Salutation Proud his Industry must be Worldly-Mindedness his Mod●rate Vses of Imjoymens Penuriousn●ss his Hospitality Fl●sh-Pleasingness his being at a Word a Decoy for Custom and a New Way of Cheating if he refuse to answer any Questions relating to Religion eit●er he can give no Account of his Religion or he he holds some Error he is afraid to discover if he doth answer them either it is Nonsense or Equivocation In short his Virtues must be Vi●es but thi● is his Resolution if to be as he is be to be Vile he will be more Vile and I doubt not but God will plead our Cause against you and evidence to you and all Men that we have not pursued Cynical Singularities nor Affected undue Separation but with Holy Fear and Sincerity of Soul have been herein resign'd to the Good-Will of God as he hath made it known by the Light of his Son in our own Consciences and this I affirm that all those Endeavours many vigorously employ to vilifie an Inward Principle and disswade Persons from believing in it waiting upon it and being guided by it center in the rankest Atheism because the Sence and Influence upon the Mind is the most sensible express and constant Argument for God and his pure Religion which lost makes Way for Infidelity But as in Point of Doctrine so in Conversation you believe we are not all alike your Words are these One and Twenty Divines And yet some of them being Rich and grown into Estates in the World can and do live in as Flesh-pleasing Fulness Splendor and indulging to a sensual Life as others whom they have condemned W.P. I would willingly know these Persons who they are and where they live Did you love Truth and your own Credit ye would scarce be so lavishing of your Words You say We condemn all but our selves what is the Consequence but this if you speak true That there is not a Person in the World that is not a Profest Quaker who either hath more Ability to-live Flesh-pleasing or that actually doth indulge himself more to a Sensual Life then some Quakers can and do Which way to save your Credit I know not unless you make it appear that the Quakers are both as Rich as other Men and as indulgent to themselves in all sensual P●easures I perceive rather then the Quakers shall want Faults you will make some for them a Practice very unfit for One and Twenty Learned and Reverend Divines But to do you right you are kind in your Cruelty you provide against believing what you say by saying what is incredible of us I shall now consider your Recommendation of his Book One and Twenty Divines Wherein the Quakers Principles are more thorrowly investigated then in any Book which we have seen and we judge it for Matter Proof and Style to be especially useful for those who need or desire Information concerning the Quakers and their Principl●s W.P. Had we no other Weapon this were enough to Wound your Cause incurably for first he hath laid down about 20 Principles in the Quakers Name 18 of which are not only None of theirs as so exprest but not so much as by Consequence That they are none of ours it is enough we say so unless our Faith is not to be taken at our Mouthes but at our Adversaries He that tells me I believe that which I do not believe is either Foolish or Dishonest and his Confutation is not of me but of himself That they are not our Principles by Consequence I have abundantly proved both in my Answer and Rejoynder However Matter Proof and Style you commend it for The Matter of it lyeth in the Proof of it What Proof and what Style I am willing to shew you and first as to Proof Who would not think it excellently performed that hath such an Epistle and so subscribed on Purpose to recommend it But that so many Men with such fine Titles may ●e guilty of great Mistake and Abuse I will produce you Ten Instances of Notorious Perversion any one of which were unworthy even of such poor Heathen as ye think us to be referring you to my Answer and Rejoynder for a more compleat Detection of his Miscarriages 1. John Faldo affirms That W. Smith had not one Exhortation to read the Scrip●ures nay that the main Design of the Book was to deny them and throw Dirt upon them yet J.F. cites him concerning the Scriptures thus Child Then the Scriptures are to be own'd and believed c Father Yes They are to be OWN'D and BELIEV'D and they that do not so are to be DENIED Observ. Can any thing be more inconsistent then your Reverend Author Is it this sort of Proof you commend Can you think this the Way to convert such Infidels as you deem us to be To this let me add another notable Passage in the same Discourse he faults with Dirting and Denying the Scripture Quest Of what Service are the Scriptures as they are given forth and recorded without Answ. MUCH EVERY WAY unto those that have receiv'd the same Spirit from whom they were given forth for unto such they are PROFITABLE and MAKE WISE unto Salvation and are unto them of Service for INSTRUCTION EDIFICATION and COMFORT Obs. Is there no Exhortation lodg'd in