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A07475 An examination of certaine motives to recusancie. By W. Bedell Bedell, William, 1571-1642. 1628 (1628) STC 1786; ESTC S113798 20,794 67

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Confession of sinnes in the ●…acrament of Penance Thus Pope Benedict the eleventh teacheth the whole Church out of the Chaire of Saint Peter in a Decretall Epistle Extravag com l. v. de privileg c. inter cunctas And this ridiculous interpretation the Author of these Collections if ever he have professed his faith by the rule of Pope Pius the fourth hath sworne to admit But sith profession of faith is so necessary why doe they withdraw Catholicks from this duty which is performed twice every day in the Common-prayers of the Church of England in a tongue understood in the very forme wherin it was professed in their names at their Baptisme And every Sunday and Holy day in the Creed of the Romane Church thirteen times in the yeare in Athanasius Creed the conclusion whereof hath these words This is the Catholick Faith which except a man beleeve faithfully he cannot be saved I think this Author could not have chosen a fitter text to diswade from Recusancy then this is which sheweth the necessity of making profession of our faith if wee will be saved The truth is these men have no respect to the glory of God or the salvation of soules but onely to the maintaining of their owne faction To make shew to be of the Church of an heretick is to deny Christ before men He that is not with me is against me He that gathereth not with me scattereth Matth. 12. 30. IT is marvell he could not remember another speech of our Saviours in the Gospell He that is not against us is for us So much the more because the occasion thereof was a case very like unto ours One cast out Devils in Christs name and the Apostles forbad him because he followed not with them Forbid him not saith our Lord for he th●…t is not against us is for us Luk. 9. 49. What then Is he contrary to himselfe No doubtlesse But in the one he teacheth us to admit and receive all that prosesse his Name into our society yea and if they will be singular yet to rejoyce that his Name is preached with Saint Paul Phil. 1. 18. In the other when it is slandered and blasphemed as it was by those which said He cast out devils by Bel●…ebub not to be neutrall but to undertake the defence of truth and innocency against malice and falshood for in that case not to confesse him is to deny him Now since the reformed Churches doe not onely speak nothing amisse of our Saviour but are ready with S. Paul to die for his Name what rage is this of the Court of Rome to cast them out to forbid them to preach or others to heare them or pray with them to persecute them with sire and sword as if they were worse then infidels and misbeleevers Thus the Scriptures are plaine that men of divers religions may not communicate one with another in the act of their religion And this is observed by the Lutherans the Calvenists the Anabaptists and all other sects in other Countries onely England admitteth to their society Lutherans Calvenists Puritanes Brownists and Catholicks whereas the generall Councels of Nice of Sardick of Chalcedon of Constantinople of Ephesus whensoever they condemned the Arrians and other hereticks they forbid the Catholicks to frequent their company This meanes God ordained that we may know which was the faith which was first taught by the Apostles which could not have been discovered from heresies if all the former hereticks had equally been as in shew of the same Church bearing the name of Christians no lesse then the Catholicks THe Scriptures proove no more then hath before been admitted Men of a false religion may communicate with those of a true men of the same true religion for the substance with those that in circumstance doe differ from them Latines with Greeks Aethiopians Russians Where he saith the contrary is observed in other countries I am verily perswaded this is utterly untrue there is never a one of these and joyne the Romists to them which if not for reason of conscience esteeming themselves to have the truth and rejoycing that another enclines to embrace it yet out of desire to encrease their owne partie is difficult to any that resorts to their assemblies as desirous to joyne with them That which he addeth touching the Councels besides that after the Scriptures it is as vaine a labour as to light a candle in the Sunne it is a meer crack of names to proove that which no man denies that Catholicks may not frequent the companies of blasphemous hereticks yet he sets not downe any one Canon of all these for the purpose and he mentions that of Sardick for a generall Councell where it was but a particular and that which wee now have not that which was anciently in Saint Augustines times But none of all these forbad the hereticks to be admitted to heare Sermons or to be present at the praiers of Catholicks yea the fourth of Carthage expresly enacts that they should not be forbidden And the Councell of N●…ce receives the Novatians without difficultie yet promising they would communicate with these that had married the second time and such as had fallen in persecution The latter of which two being the o●…ly th●…ng for which the Donatists refused society with the Catholicks they were not onely invited but by the terrour of Lawes ●…ged thereto no lesse then Recusants are with us A plaine argument that then it was holden That where the Catholick faith is rightly confessed society in Gods worship is to be maintained Where he addeth that God ordained this meanes that we may know which was the faith first taught by the Apostles I doe not thinke he understands himselfe what meanes could this be to discerne which was the faith first taught when as the Apostles tould before that of themselves should arise men speaking perverse things which would not faile to challenge to themselves the names of Christians and separate from their opposites And it is a speech unworthy of a man of any ordinary capacity that the faith could not be discerned from heresies but by names Christ pretending to convert the Pagans ordained this separation in externall acts of religion that they might know to which Church to repaire without danger of errour in embracing Christianity THat which must be a mark to discerne two things one from the other must not be common to them both A Pagan therefore that desired to imbrace Christianity without errour how should he know by separation whither to repaire if Arrians doe no lesse separate from the orthodoxall Christians then they from the Arrians And at this day if as he said right now Lutherans and Calvenists doe as well separate from others as others from them how can this be a note to discerne without errour where true Christianity is to be found In our daies the Lutherans and the Calvinists undertook to convert the Infidels in New France both