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A87552 Allotrioepiskopos, the busie bishop. Or The visitor visited. By way of answer to a very feeble pamphlet lately published by Mr J.G. called Sion Colledge visited, in which answer, his cavils against the ministers of London for witnessing against his errours touching the holy Scriptures, and the power of man to good supernaturall, are answered, and the impertinency of his quotations out of the fathers, Martin Bucer, and Mr Ball are manifested. / By William Jenkyn minister of the Word of God at Christ-Church London. Jenkyn, William, 1613-1685. 1648 (1648) Wing J632; Thomason E434_4; ESTC R202641 59,976 70

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credendi the matter to be beleeved and the ground of beleeving that thing the objectum materiale formale fidei the matters to be beleeved are those precious truths of God which you name p. 13. and such like the ground of beleeving them is the revelation of God in his written word Nor can any one beleeve those truths with a divine faith as the truths of God Hoc verbum quod multis vicib is multisque mod●●olim Deus proserre volu●t visum est ei lem literis libris ad Ecclosie suae usum consignare un● codem sem per manente verbo etsi non uno modo tradito Riv. Cat. Oath Par. 9. ● unlesse he first beleevs that they are revealed and made known by God This Revelation of God hath alwaies been the foundation of faith and as the Apostle Heb. 1.1 saith 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 God hath afforded this at divers times after divers manners to his Church sometimes by a lively voice at other times by writing the authority of the revelation being the same the manner of revealing divers * But now since the truths of God were expressed in writing what is the grouad of your faith but this it is written and if you deny the 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 of the words and say that they are not from divine inspiration you must of necessity also deny the 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 of the matter and hold that the matter which you say is only the word of God is unworthy of a Christians belief I pray what course took Christ and his Apostles to prove their doctrinall assertions Mat 44.6.7.10 Mat. 1.2 Mar. 9.12 Mar. 11.17 Luk. 18.31.22.37 24 44 46. Joh. 10.34 Act. 13.33 15.85 Rom. 3.4 10.81 9.13 11.26 12 19. 14 11. 13.9 ●● 1 Cor. 1.19 1 Cor. 1.31 1 Cor. 2.9 9.9 1 Cor 15.54 2 Cor 9.9 Gal. 3.13 4.22 Heb 10.7 1 Pet. 11.6 Mar. 15.28 Act. 8.32.35 Rom. 9.17 10.11 11.2 Gal. 4. ●0 1 Tim. 5.18 1 Pet. 2.6 Mat. 21.42 26 56 Luk. 24.27.45 Act. 17.2 11. 18.28 Rom. 1.2 16.26 1 Cor. 15 3. and the matters they taught but by the Scriptures and when they would render them 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 fit for belief they evermore tell how it is written Consult with the places in the margin and you will finde that the matter substance precious counsells c. contained in the Scriptures are proved to be credenda things to be beleeved because they are written deny then the written word as you do in terminis to be the word of God and what formall object hath faith poor faith without a written word Yeeld your self to that evident Scripture Joh. 20.31 These things are written that yee might beleeve that Jesus is the Christ the son of God and that beleeving ye might have lift through his name God makes these matters Christ is the son of God and life is to he had through his name to be the objects and matter of my belief but God makes the ratio or ground of my beleeving of these matters to be their revelation by writing See also Act. 14.24 Paul saith he beleeved all that was written in the Law and the prophets So Rom. 15.4 Things were written aforetime that through the patience and comfort of the Scriptures we might have hope So if you beleeve not Moses writings how shall you beleeve my words Joh. 5.47 6. Therefore doth not your sending me only to the counsels matter substance of Translations and Originals as the Word of God and your deniall that the written Word is such clearly shew That you send me not to that Word of God which the Scripture every where speaks of but to some other the Scripture using to call the written Word of God the Scripture and very often though in a Translation The command of Christ Joh. 5.39 is to search the Scriptures and were not they the written Word How readest thou Luk. 10.26 Vnderstandest thou what thou readest Act. 8.30 and what Scriptures were those the Apostle calleth 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 given by inspiration of God meaneth the Apostle neither Originals nor translation or both rather It were easy to shew how in this point of your deniall the Scriptures for the foundation as faith and Scriptures oppose you so likewise sundry holy and learned writers that have had occasion to touch upon the subject Let these following asserting the Scriptures for the word of God and so the foundation of faith and Christian Religion suffice for the vindication of the written word from the contempt you cast upon it a Quo plenius impressius tam ipsum quam dispositiones voluntates adiremus instrumentum adjecit literaturae si quis velit de Deo inquirere inquisitum invenire invento credere credito deservire Tertul. Apol. cap. 18. That we might go to God his counsells and will more fully and vigorously he added the instrument of writing if any would enquire of God finde him beleeve in him and serve him Tertullian b Non per alios salutis nostrae dispositionem cognovimus quam per eos per quos Evangelium pervenit ad nos quod quidem tunc praeconiaverunt postea per Dei voluntatem in Scripturis nobis tradiderunt fundamentum columnam fidei nostrae futu●um Irenaeus Advers Here 's lib. 3. cap. 1 vide lib. 3. c. 2. We know not Gods disposall or ordering of our salvation but by those by whom the Gospel came to us which they formerly preached afterward by the counsell of God delivered to us in the Scriptures to be the foundation and pillar of our faith Irenaeus c Singuli Sermones syllabae apices puncta in divinis Scripturis plena sunt sensibus Hier in cap. 1. ad Eph. The severall speeches syllables tittles points in the divine Scriptures are full of sense Hier. d Persuasisti mihi Domine Deus non eos qui crederent libros tuos quos tantâ omnibus serè gentibus authoritate fundasti esse culpandos sed eos qui non crederent nec audiendos esse si qui forte mihi dicerent unde scis illos libros unius veracissimi Dei spiritu esse humano generi ministratos id ipsum enim maximè credendum erat Aug Conf lib. 6. O my Lord God thou hast perswaded me not that they who beleeved thy books which thou hast founded with so much authority in almost all nations were to be blamed but those who beleeved them not and that those were not to be heard who might haply say to me whence dost thou know that those books were administred to man-kinde by the Spirit of the only most true God for this thing was chiefly to be beleeved Augustine e 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Chry. hom 1. in Mat. If it be blame-worthy to stand in need of the writing of the Scripture and not to imbrace the grace of the spirit how great a fault is it after the enjoyment of
Theologicall Sion Col. visited p. 4. Heresies are imperiously sentenced as if the chair of Papal Infallibility were translated from Rome to Sion Colledge Name one of those errours in the Catalogue which the Scripture and that writing we cannot as yet deny to be the foundation of religion condemns not Ans if so 't is not Ex imperio but Ex officio to discover them and for your scoff of the Chair of Papal infallibility know that the Ministers are as far from being for the chair of infallibility as for the Chair in Swan-Alley In the next impression mollifie your title Sion Col. visited p. 5. say not against errours and heresies but use this Christian and soft explication as we account and call them errours and heresies Tender-hearted Sir Ans Spare your counsell or if you will give it expect no fee had ever Ministers or Christians such advise given them before Peter was called Satan for bidding Christ to pity himself but what would Christ have called him had Peter desired Christ to have pitied Satan The hereticall devil must not be used gently 'T is a cruell kindenesse to truth to do so Diabolus non est leniter palpandus saith Luther when you had to do with M Edwards of blessed memory then 't was 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Pereat Pap● pereantimp● magestrat● per●aut im●io●u●n dogma●u●n patreni pereat totu● mu●d● salve●ur Deo su●gloria su●● verbu● su● E●tlesia su●● cul 〈…〉 with you rebuke them cuttingly but when we have to do with heresies it must be 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 gently must it yes use mollifying expressions I pray deal gently with heresies for I.G. his sake but heresies have more need of Corasives then lenitives of iron then of oyle was Augustine called Malleus Haereticorum for using mollifying expressions had you given us the advice of Luther we would have thankt you Let the pope perish ungodly Magistrates The Patrons of ungodly opinions of errours let all the world perish only let not the glory of God perish his Church his Worship But why speak we of Luthers spirit your advice is more unsutable to the spirit of the Scripture Rebuke them sharply saith the Apostle that they may be sound in the faith Earnestly contend for the faith Damnable heresies Reprobate concerning the faith filthy dreamers Cursed children Vngodly men bruit beasts Clouds without water Tit. 1.13 Jude 3.4.12 2 Pet. 2.1 2 Tim. 3 8. Jude 8. 2 Pet. 2.14 2 Pet. 2.12 c And yet forsooth we must be all for softnesse and mollisying The Lord pardon our sinfull softnesse formerly The time past may suffice to have connived at you Shall you be bolder to sin then we to speak God forbid But wherein must the Ministers expresse their softnesse he tels us for he gives us direction as well as exhortation though he is more wicked in prescribing the manner of doing then the thing to be done Say not a testimony against Errours and Heresies but say as we account and call Errours and Heresies His plain meaning is Be doubtful whether those damnable Errours and Heresies be such or no Be Scepticks Seekers Expectants Dubitants never beleeve any thing When men deny the Scriptures to be the foundation of faith say This is an heresie as we think when men deny the Divinity of the Son and holy Ghost say These are heresies as we conceive when heaven and hell are denied say this is an heresie as we account and so of the rest Non est hoc Christiani pectori● n●n delectari ass rtionibus Tolle assertiones Christianismum tu●sti Sanctu● Spiritas non est scepticus nec opiniones in cord ●us nostris sed assertiones ●psâ vitâ omni experient●d certiores produc●t Luth. Though the Lord hath not with-held you from giving yet for his Christs sake he keep us from taking this advice We who teach others to beleeve shall we beleeve nothing our selves if we may not be so certain as to write against errours how should we be so certain as to die in opppsition to errours Should one lay down his life for he knows not what Did those blessed Martyrs in Queen Maries daies say That Transubstantion was an errour as they thought Besides are there any things in the world so certain as the matters of faith The Apostle speaks Col. 2.2 of a fulnesse of assurance of understanding 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 c. Famous is that speech of Luther which in the margin I give you in his own words Non est hoc Christiani pectoris non delectari assertionibus c. It savours not of Christianity when men are not delighted with positive assertions Take away assertions and thou hast taken away Christianity The holy Ghost is no Sceptick nor doth in produce opinions in our hearts but certain assertions more sure then life it self and all experience c. Certainly if I may know any thing to be a truth I may and must upon that ground know the contrary to be an errour as if I know that this is a truth That Christ is God I certainly know that this is an errour to say He is not God and therefore by your putting us to beleeve nothing for an errour you will constrain us to beleeve nothing for a truth And if this be so to what end serves preaching Do Ministers preach and people hear fables or truths Further if nothing be to be certainly known for an errour with what zeal can any way by you be opposed when as you are and must be uncertain whether you strike a friend or a foe a truth or an errour And if so How can you declaim against the way of Presbytery for ought you know it may be a truth How or why against the restraint of herecicks deniall of liberty of conscience And where are you then Sir But are you so undoubted and certain and positive as you seem to your self to be when you oppose the truth and must we be purely doubtfull when we are opposing of errours Did not you blasphemously deny the Scripture to be the foundation of faith with that astonishing expression going before it Questionlesse no writing whatsoever is the foundation of Christian Religion Though in this last Pamphlet your own conference I hope would not suffer you to put it in Must you say questionlesse for errours and must we come with an as we think against errours You extend your title against a toleration of errours also Sion Col. visited p. 5. Now a toleration is a meer non ens a thing not in being and therefore you testify against that of which God made the World If a toleration be not no thank to you Ans I am confident 't is your darling endeavour to effect it You say that because a toleration is nothing to speak against it is to speak against that which Gud made the world of Prophanely enough But sure you meant not to compare a toleration to the nothing of which