art 18. viz. when the place for Sacrifices was undetermined and then it had been Will-worship to put holinesse in places or opinion of worship But when God had chosen out and appropriated one place for Sacrifice and none other then it was a matter of necessitie holinesse and worship to sacrifice there and a great sinne to doe it any where else The reason hereof was not simply because it was not commanded for when it was lawfull to the Fathers of Old it was not commanded but left undetermined only and used by them as a circumstance or adjunct allowed not as a matter of necessitie holinesse or worship not could they have used it so without superstition as on the other side after the strict commandement given to Israel to sacrifice in the place which God had chosen and none other and the place of worship precisely determined for typicall signification it was a part of true worship in conscience necessarie for them to doe otherwise was grievously to transgresse and not to doe that which was commanded as necessary holy and worship had been prophanenesse For that which is commanded may not be neglected neither is any thing to be done which is repugnant thereunto But many things in the worship of God are not commanded or determined by God but left to the libertie of Christians many things were unprofitable and needlesse to be determined particularly by divine authoritie as being easily discernable by the light of nature and common reason and many things could not be determined because one order in them could not fit all ages times and places in the world The divisions of the Chapters and verses as they are in our Bibles and the Sections of the Law as among the Jewes are of men and so is the phrase of speech and method used in Prayer Preaching Administration of the Sacraments and the very words of Translations wherein the Scriptures are read and cannot be one and the same in all societies And so are the circumstances how oft at what houre on what day in what place the Pastor shall preach which are particular determinations of the Church and variable If you say these things are prescribed in generall and by consequence because they are done according to the rules of direction given in Scripture Of necessitie you must confesse the proposition is ambiguous for sometimes prescribed shall import as much as determined instituted commanded sanctifyed if not appropriated and sometimes it shall note no more but left at libertie or indetermined Neither will that sense stand in the proposition Synops purior theol disp 35. thes 17. Ab omni traditionum humanarum jugo liberas habeant conscientias cum solius Dei sit res ad religionem pertinentes praescribere for then it should be lawfull to place opinion of necessitie holinesse or worship in those things which are undetermined or not commanded of God which is contrary to the whole scope and drift of Scripture and the judgement of all Orthodox and sound Divines new and old To proceed more distinctly because it is a matter much insisted upon and as much mistaken and misapplyed by many Worship is as large as the Commandement nay as the whole Word of God Bald. de cons l. 4. c. 3. To the precepts of God nothing is to be added Deut. 12. Now God hath commanded these things which are necessarie The rites of the Church are not necessary wherefore if the abrogation or usurpation of any rite be urged as necessary then is an addition made to the commandement of God which is forbidden in the Word c. Dea. 12.2 4 1 2. 5.32 Lev. 18.4 Prâ—v 30.6 Ambr de parad c. 12 tom 4. Nihil vel 〈…〉 gratia adjungerâ—n â—s debemus mandato Nihil vel quoâ— bonum videtur addâ—ndum Addendo de proprio semipl â—um Dei intellexit esse mandatum Docetnos 〈◊〉 praesentis series lection is nequ detraâ—â—re aliquid debere diviris mand â—is neque addere For so it is ordinarily defined A worke commanded done in faith and then it must needs extend it self as far as the Commandement And if to obey God in conscience of his Commandement in all actions Civill and Sacred of Pietie Justice or Mercie be to Worship him then to beleeve whatsoever the Lord hath taught relying upon the truth and credit of the Revealer is worship also And hence it is that the Worship of God is usually divided into Immediate and Mediate Worship which comprehendeth all duties which we owe to God or Man Now if the way or manner of Worship be taken in this acceptation then the sense of the Proposition must be this That no action great or small done to God or man religious or sociall is lawfull unlesse it be prescribed of God And let us consider the passages of Scripture alledged by your selfe and others whether if rightly quoted they doe not affirme as much Whatsoever I command you that shall yee observe to doe Thou shalt not adde thereto neither shalt thou take ought from it To what might they not adde From what might they not diminish Is it not from the whole Law of God which teacheth the whole duty of Man both towards God and towards Man for the Lords sake Hereby the Lord establisheth his Word and his only and his whole word to be the intire rule of Faith and manners Hereby God appointeth his owne Word and Law to be the only rule of his Service without imitating the customes of others or devising any thing of their owne saith Master Ainsworth But if by the Service of God he understand the positive Worship of God only or the immediate only he straitneth the meaning of the Text overmuch Annot in Deut. 12.32 Procopius in loc verba enim Domini cum plena perfecta existant auctarium nullum admittunt Chrysost in 1. ca. 2. Epist ad Tim. hom 2. Siâ—quidem sidci dogma pervertat etiamsi angelus sit obedire noli Annot. in Lev. 18.4 Tert. de praescript advers haeret It is not lawfull for us to devise any thing of our selves nor follow that which others have devised See Cham. pansâ— tom 1. l. 8. c. 6. Rainold apol thes sect 2. p. 205 206 207. Hen Ainsw part 3. p. 150. He inferreth that generall admonition touching all the wayes of God and not the Ten Commandements only Doway annot in Deut. 4.2 12.32 Henry Ainsw 2. Answ p. 55. Prov. 30.6 Loe here all additions and not only things contrary are forbidden Ex. 23.13 Chrysoft oper imperfect hom 20. in 7. cap. Matth. Every Teacher is a servant of the Law because he may neither adde of his owne sense unto the Law nor according to his owne conceit taking any thing from the Law but preach that only which is found in the Law Qu. Co. p. 67. For it speaketh plainly of the whole Law and is fitly alledged to prove the perfection of the Scripture in all matters necessary to salvation and not
the ordinary way and meanes Id. Sect. 15. p. 132. which the Scripture speakes of to beget men to the faith For as a false forged constitution makes a Church a reall and substantiall Idoll So all that comes from it is touched with the Idolatry of that constitution This is a ruled opinion of many Divines The State makes all the publike actions to be formally good or evill For as the Temple sanctifieth the gold Matth. 23.17 the Altar the offerings so the Ordinances of the Church under the Gospell are sanctified unto us Bucer in Mat. 23.17 That is as Bucer truely speaketh in the use of them made lawfull to us in that they have their rise from a true and right power Seeing therefore the Church in Question wants a right Constitution it must follow that all spirituall actions done in it whether Prayer Preaching Sacraments Censures as they are there done are none of Gods Ordinances though true it is in themselves they are of God If the false Churches of whom we disputed CAN. Stay Sect. 15. p. 131.132 Id. Sect. 2. p. 8. be that spirituall Babylon mentioned in the Revelation cap. 18.4 then it is unlawfull for Gods people to goe unto them to performe any spirituall or religious action and so consequently not to heare theâ—e But the first is true Ergo the later is true also The proposition needs no proofe because our opposites and we herein are of opinion alike The assumption is manifest by these reasons Artopaeus in Rev. 18. pag. 198. Flac. Illyric in Rev. 18.4 Par. com in Hos 4. pag. 506. Bulling in Apoc. ca. 18. con 76. 1. The words in the Text prove it plainely Come out of her my people that is remove your selves from all false assemblies covenant together to walk in all the wayes of God serve the Lord among your selves in spirit and truth and returne not from whence you are come But repent rather that yee have suffered your Consciences to bee wrought upon by any unlawfull Officers And thus doe the Learned interpret the place namely of such a coming out as that we may not be bodily present at any of their worship 2 Cor. 6.1 Ioh. 5.21 Zech. 11.17 Botlac prompt allegoriar cap. 21. de Minist It is like that filthy bird which carryeth this Motto Contactu omnia saedat The publisher and others with him have comitted appatant Idolatry maintained it in the Church and sought thereby to pervert the right wayes of the Lord. Jd. sect 1. p. 7. Id sect 15. p. 133. A false Church state is rightly likened to the leprosie spread in the wals of the houses of the Lepers because of the pollution which it causeth to the persons and things Take for instance a Citie or Towne if the civill State or Corporation which they have be usurped aevised or derived from a false power all their publike administrations are unlawfull and every one partaking thereof offendeth So all administrations done in a false Church whether prayer Preaching Sacraments Censures are uncleane actions and doe defile every receiver J say because of the Idoll State which is devised out of a mans braine and used as a meanes to serve God in it and by it All the Ordinances done after the invention and will of Antichrist can no otherwise be judged than a brood common to the nature of the breeders that is the Devill and the Whore of Rome the Father and Mother that did beget them ANSWER THe Faithfull are commanded to come out of spirituall Babylon and not to communicate with her in false worship or Idolatry Revel 18.4 as the Text doth confirme and your opposites grant And therein it was needlesse to muster up the testimonies of the Learned to give evidence in a case maintained and practised notoriously sc that we must flye from the society of Rome and not be present to behold their worship Your labour herein is superfluous but that the Names of Learned men here numbred up might serve to cover your nakednesse when you come to the point in controversie wherein you prove just nothing at all But our Churches wherein the Gospell of Christ is purely preached and professed in all points fundamentall the seales of the Covenant of Grace rightly administred who are separaced from spirituall Babylon in mind and body and have fled from her worship and Idolatry who are built upon Christ the true and firme foundation of his Church and by Christ himselfe acknowledged for his people and graced with his favourable presence Our Churches I say cannot be deemed or reputed spirituall Babylon without great injurie to Christ his truth his Church and Saints By spirituall Babylon in this booke of the Revelation is meant Rome Christian departed from the faith guilty of the blood of Saints stained with manyfold and fearfull Idolatries the mother of fornications who hath made drunke the Kings of the earth with the cup of her poysons as might bee confirmed by the Scripture it self the joynt consent of learned orthodox Divines and the testimonie of Papists themselves But to brand the Churches of Christ since the reformation who have renounced Antichrists doctrine worship and idolatries and embraced the intire faith of the Lord Jesus with that odious hatefull name is contrary to the truth of God evident reason and the judgement of all approved godly learned men You miserably corrupt and pervert the Text when you give this to be the sense thereof Remove your selves from all false Assemblies covenant together to walke in all the wayes of God serve the Lord among your selves in spirit and truth and returne not from whence you are come This is not to interpret Scripture and learne of them what wee are to thinke but to racke Scriptures to our sense and make them speake according to our fansies which is an high point of Antichristianisme If you will stand to your principles within two hundred yeares after Christ or lesse there was not one true Christian societie in the whole world which did walke together in all the wayes of God and serve God in a Church state among themselves And will you say the faithfull are charged of God in this passage of holy writ to remove and separate from all Christian assemblies that then were in the world and to serve God among themselves If corruption in doctrine manners worship government and orders make a false assembly Rome was a false assembly long before the Lord gave commandement to his people to depart thence and separate themselves Israel for a time continued in Egypt and Babylon viz. untill the Lord sent to bring them forth and the Church lay hid in Babylon and that by the providence and approbation of God long after Rome was miserably corrupted and defiled The matter is notorious and therefore to spend more words about it is needlesse Hee that considereth the state of things long before the faithfull separated from Rome and what is written in defence of that separation which
to renounce the world the flesh and the Devill they were baptized Justine sometime an Heathen Philosopher but after a famous Martyr of Christ in his second Apologie for Christians reporteth That if any Heathen man desired to be received into the fellowship of the Church he was first r Concil Agathens ca. 25. Iudaei quoruÌ„ perfidia frequenter ad vomitum redit si ad legem catholicaÌ„ venire voluerint octo meÌ„ses inter catechumenos Ecclesiae limen introeant si pura fide no scuntur venire tum demum c. Socrat. lib. 7. hist cap. 30. Hieron ad Pammach Tert. de Baptism Tert. de praescript ca 14. in apolog ca. 47. Ruff. in symbol Math. 28.19 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Basil cont Eunom l. 3. Our Baptisme is according to the tradition of the Lord In the name of the Father the Sonne and the holy Ghost catechised in the principles of Religion then hearing further the word of God as it were the Conditions of the Covenant of grace afterwards came into the face of the Congregation and confessed that he did beleeve and promised that he would obey the word of God whereupon he was baptized and received into the fellowship of the Church And that this order might be the better observed the Church appointed certain times and in some places a longer space at other times and in other places a shorter time for catechising of Heathen before they were baptized Socrates writeth that when the Burgonians desired to be initiated into the number of Christian people after they had been catechised seven dayes they were baptized the eighth Hierome saith the custome in his dayes was to catechize them fortie dayes and then to baptize them Tertullian witnesseth that there were two times in the yeare Easter and Whitsontide especially appointed by the Church for Baptisme and strangers from the Covenant were instructed in the principles of Religion all the rest of the yeare against these two times The profession at first required of all that were received to Baptisme was that they beleeved in the Father Sonne and holy Ghost The Creede is honoured of the Ancients with glorious titles as the rule of faith the Summe of faith the body of faith the perswasion of faith But by the Creede they understand the Rule of truth and law of faith and institution of Christ which was then given when he was about to ascend into heaven and commanded his Disciples saying Goe and teach all Nations Baptising them into the name of the Father Sonne and holy Ghost Regulam fidei per Baptismum accipimus Iren. lib. 1. cap. 2. Per ipsam Baptismi traditionem habemus confessionem Basil despir fanct cap. 10. Regula quidem fidei una omnino est sola immobilis irreformabilis Socrat. Hist lib. 1. ca. 5. Niceph. lib. 8. ca. 17. Hist Trip. lib. 2. ca. 9. credendi sc in unicum Deum omnipotentem mundi conditores filium ejus Jesum c. Tertul. de veland virgin The expositions of the Creede which are found in the ancient Fathers Martial Ignatius Justine Jreneus Tertullian Origen de rect fid dialog princ Novatian lib. de Trin. 3. and others of that age goe not beyond the Trinitie within which bounds the Nicene Creede is terminated as it is set downe in History Arius and Euzonius conclude their confession of faith thus Socrat. Hist lib. 2. cap. 7. lib. 1. cap. 19. Sicut Dominus noster cùm Discipules suos ad praedicandum mitteret c. This faith we received from the Gospel the Lord himselfe saying to his Disciples Goe teach all Nations c. Erasm ad censur facult Theolog. Parisien tit 11. Erasmus sheweth how the Creed was encreased by the addition of divers Articles against the heresies that did arise and though for substance it was the very same every where yet in some places it received more enlargement then in others The westerne Churches herein applyed themselves to the capacities of the meaner soâ—t more than the Easterne did using in their Baptisme that shorter forme of confession commonly called the Apostles Creed which in more ancient times was briefer also than now it is as we may easily perceive by comparing the symboll recited by Marcellus Anciranus in the profession of the faith Apud Epiphan in haeres 72. which he delivered to Pope Julius with the expositions of the Apostles Creed written by the Latine Doctors Wherein the mention of the Fathers being maker of heaven and earth the Sonnes death and descending into hell and the communion of Saints is wholly omitted The Creede which the Easterne Churches used in Baptisme was larger than this being either the same Euseb epist apud Socrat. lib 1. ca. 5. et 8. Theodor. lib. 8. ca. 12. or very little different from that which we commonly call the Nicene Creede because the greatest part of it was repeated and confirmed in the first generall councell held at Nice where the first draught thereof was presented to the Synod by Eusebius Bishop of Cesarea with this Preamble As we have received from the Bishops that were before us both at our first catechising and when we received Baptisme and as we have learned from the holy Scriptures and as we have both beleeved and taught when we entred into the Ministery and in our Bishopricke it selfe So beleeving at this present also we declare this our faith unto you To this the Nicene Fathers added a more cleare explication of the deitie of the Sonne against the Arrian Heresie wherewith the Church was troubled professing him to be begotten not made Concil Constan ap Theoder lib. 5. c. 9. and to be of one substance with the Father The second generall Councell which was assembled fifty-six yeares after at Constantinople approving this confession of the faith as most ancient and agreeable to Baptisme enlarged it somewhat in the Article that concerned the Holy Ghost especially which at that time was most oppugned by the Macedonian Heretiques Epipha in 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 pag. 518. edit Gr. Cassian de incarn verb. lib. 5. And whereas the Nicene confession proceeded no further than to the beliefe which we have in the Holy Trinitie the Fathers of the Constantinople made it up by adding that which was commonly professed touching the catholique Church and the priviledges belonging thereunto Epiphanius repeating this Creede at large affirmeth it to have been delivered unto the Church by the Apostles Cassianus avoucheth as much where he urgeth this against Nestorius as the Creed anciently received in the Church of Antioch from whence he came The Romane Church after the dayes of Charles the Great added the Article of the procession of the Holy Ghost from the Sonne unto this Symboll In the s See Bellarm. li. 4. de verbo Dei c. 11. Quaedam in doctrina Christiana tam fidei quam morum sunt simpliciter omnibus necessaria ad salutem qualis est notitia articulorum Symboli
AN ANSWER TO TWO TREATISES Of Mr. IOHN CAN THE Leader of the English Brownists in Amsterdam The former called A Necessitie of Separation from the Church of ENGLAND proved by the Nonconformists Principles The other A Stay against Straying Wherein in opposition to M. Iohn Robinson he undertakes to prove the unlawfulnesse of hearing the Ministers of the Church of England Very seasonable for the present times By the late learned laborious and faithfull servant of Jesus Christ JOHN BALL He that is first in his owne cause seemeth just but his neighbour commeth and searcheth him Prov. 18.17 Prove all things hold fast that which is good 1 Thes 5.21 LONDON Printed by R. B. and are to be sold by John Burroughes at his Shop at the signe of the Golden Dragon neere the Inner Temple gate in Fleetstreet 1642. TO The Christian READER Sound Knowledge and love of the Truth together with inward peace and Spirituall joy through Communion with Christ in the Ordinances of the Gospell Christian READER THis ensuing discourse was prepared for the Presse by the Reverend Author and committed to one of us that it might be made publike of which we will say nothing but shall freely venture it to stand or fall by the award of an impartiall judgement Neither shall wee present thee with the Authors deserved praises seeing his rare pietie and great learning were sufficiently knowne to very many of various rankes who were well acquainted with him and his workes already Printed have given a competent proofe hereof unto all others who have 〈◊〉 them without prejudice and partialitie Only by occasion of publishing this piece wee â—â—we leave to cleare him from such aspersions as by 〈◊〉 have causlesly beene cast upon him and by others too much and too easily believed against him a thing incident to men most eminent and innocent as instances in all Ages will evince not only to the blemishing of his just estimation but also as we conceive to the prejudice of the truth it selfe and in favour of many spreading errours and exorbitances Those aspersions which wee shall endeavour to take off are two which though they openly contradict each other yet they unhappily agree to defame our worthy friend whose credit wee judge our selves many wayes bound to vindicate and preserve The one intimating some degree of declining from his former inconformitie in deserting the Nonconformists cause and grounds being too much inclined to favour the times in our Ceremonies and Service book The other expressing his advancing beyond the wonted limets of a Nonconformist towards the cause and course of separation Two things are pretended to confirme the former 1. A passage in the Preface of his Book called A friendly tryall of the grounds tending to separation c. pag. 3. his words are these Many are the objections which are made against set formes of Prayer and particularly against our booke of Common Prayer All which I have endeavoured to answer severally not because they are of so great weight but because I desired fully to satisfie every doubt c. Secondly that in the whole frame of the same booke he speakes more covertly and coldly against the corruptions of our Church than became a man who continued stedfast in the wayes of Nonconformity For Answer whereunto we affirme in the Generall That upon our knowledge he lived and dyed a strict forbearer and firme opposer of all such corruptions as the Nonconformists heretofore so usually called had commonly by their publike writings disallowed Nor have wee knowne any man in that kinde more precise uniforme and constant to his opinion in discourse prayers and practices yet alwayes carried on with Christian moderation and meekenesse which graces are of singular use in controversies of this nature yea some of us can witnesse his purpose if God had lent him longer life by a set Treatise to have shewed himselfe a plaintiffe for the Nonconformists against the corruptions in our Church as in this hee appeares their defendant against the Calumnies of Master Can. These testimonies may satisfie the sober minded that he continued cordial to their cause whereunto more might be added but wee desire not to revive the remembrance of these differences among deare brethren Because wee pray and hope that through Gods mercy by meanes of our Gracious Sovereigne and of the present Parliament they will in such sort be buried that they shall arise no more to our disturbance and discomfort More particularly to the passage objected out of the forecited Preface we Answer That the words themselvs doe not necessarily imply any such sense but they may admit yea they will carry a better construction if the Reader will be candid and well advised For he saith not that he hath answered the objections as suggesting little or nothing blameworthy in our Liturgie but because they are not of so great weight as to inforce the unlawfulnesse of those set formes or warrant a separation from our Churches and publike worship in regard thereof All which both the title of the Booke and the tenour of the whole discourse therein together with this Treatise exhibited will sufficiently cleare unto the indifferent and attentive Reader And that this was his meaning some of us can testifie from his owne mouth which also he would have manifested to the world if God had lengthened his life either in an Epistle annexed to this worke now brought into the open light or some other way as might have been judged most convenient But you will say Object The other ground of this imputation is more pregnant for why did he not speake out against the corruptions of the times as others did Nay why did he seek to cleaâ— the book of Common Prayer of some things charged upon it Two things we conceive may fully take off the strength of this objection Answ 1. Because it was impertinent here to aggravate or multiply corruptions objected but rather to shew that as in some things the booke by them was overcharged so notwithstanding all that could be alledged against it yet separation from our worship could not be lawfull much lesse necessarie 2 The state of those times wherein this piece was penned would not brooke more plainnesse in that and such like points this we could if it were expedient aboundantly evidence by declaring with what difficultie it passed the Presse what exceptions were taken at some harmelesse expressions and what amendments were exacted in some phrases which seemed somewhat openly to hint the Authors heart-workings towards that Reformation which in these times is much desired and endeavoured The second imputation remaines to be removed viz. that though our Reverend Author had both reasoned and written against the opinions and practice of separation in the time of his health yet on his death bed he did retract and with griefe repent what in that kinde he had done This is commonly reported confidently believed and gladly embraced not only here at home but also in forreigne parts even in
America as by divers letters and other wayes some of us have beene informed It is high time therefore to give open check unto these groundles rumours lest the cause here maintained should thereby suffer prejudice either in the mindes of them who are friends or of those who be adversaries thereunto And for this end we intreat the Reader first to consider that this imputation being directly contrary to the former either they must confute each other or else argue the man strangely light in wheeling from one extreame unto another or guilty of a fowler fault in writing one thing and thinking another from both which charges we assure our selves his great soliditie in judgement and pietie in practice will fully absolve him in the consciences of all such who were acquainted with him And as for others we hope they may bee aboundantly satisfied by the ensuing evidence First in that foure or five dayes before his death he expressed to some of us his willingnesse to have this Treatise presented to publike view which hee had composed since the former Secondly so soone as he had finished this book he undertooke a large Treatise of the Church wherein he intended to discover the nature of Schisme and to deale in the main controversies touching the essence and government of the visible Church Concerning these matters we have almost fifty sheets of Paper written with his owne hand wherein many passages expresle his continued dislike of the separations both then and now in practice And these writings together with his other papers he on his death bed committed to the care of some of us to be disposed of for private or publike use as we should judge expedient Had there beene any griefe upon his Spirit or alteration in his judgement in reference to what he had spoken or printed against the separation we know none so likely to have beene acquainted therewith as our selves For one of us dwelling neare unto him was for many years his bosome companion and in his last sicknesse seldome from him Another being requested during his weaknesse to supply his place so journing in the same towne was daily with him The other three of us being his familiar friends did all visit him within one two or three dayes before his end We are all of us as we hope though most unworthy the Ministers of Iesus Christ who desire to be faithful And we doe each for our selves seriously protest in the presence of Almighty God that we never heard any syllable from him sounding that way Yea there is one thing more to be added which may for ever silence all gainesayers viz. That one of us through Gods good providence suspecting what hath since fallen out and being desirous to prevent such false rumours within lesse than two dayes before his death and not many houres before he was speechlesse asked him to this effect Whether he had any remorse or disquiet in his minde for any thing hee had written in opposition to the way of Separation whereto he thus answered I thanke God I have not any but I rather take comfort in what I have done and could have desired if it had beene the will of God to have lived a while longer to have given further assistance in that worke And this question was propounded to him and the Answer returned by him not only in the audience of some other of us but also of sundry other godly friends who can attest the truth of this relation Lastly We boldly challenge any person to come forth and to make proofe either by word or writing that this our Reverend Brother either repented his paines or changed his judgement against the way of separation which if he shall accordingly doe then will we be content to undergoe the severest censures that are due unto unjust suppressors of the truth But if any failing herein shall hereafter persist to promote either by scattering or crediting the forenamed reports wee leave them to the judgement of all indifferent men whether they deserve not to be accounted defamers of the dead and lyars against the truth if not subtile promoters of their owne cause and course by pretending falsly the Patronage of their Adversary when they could not stand before his Arguments But in probabilitie some will thus reply to our Apologie That if your friend did not retract the more was his sin and the lesse his honour Unto whom we returne this answer That this censure strongly presumes his former discourse in the maine matter to be erroneous and unjustifiable whereas that is the thing still in question and as we verily believe cannot be solidly proved And though our Reverend Brother be dead whom God had extraordinarily fitted for disputes of this nature yet we doubt not but the living Lord wil raise up for himself some other instruments to maintain the truth which he had undertaken There is one thing more Christian Reader which we desire thee to take notice of viz. That whereas it is often reported that this Authors former booke was fully answered before it passed the Presse and that therefore further answer thereâ—o cannot bee expected wee shall relate the truth for thy satisfaction in that particular Our worthy Brother having by Conference as some of us and others know with unshaken strength defended the lawfulnes of set formes of Prayer he was afterwards by a Leâ—ter sent from a worthy Gentleman M. Richard Knightly requested to state that question then much in agitation and to give in some arguments for his personall setling Hereupon in the space of one day the Messenger staying for an answer to the letter he did set down his judgment with some grounds thereof and sent them unto his much honoured friend from whom a copie being procured and conveyed into New England it seems an Answer was undertaken by a reverend brother there In the meane time the number of them increasing who withdrew themselves from our Church Assemblies because of the Liturgie there used he was importuned both by Ministers and others from divers parts of this Kingdome to take some further paines in that Controversie This occasioned the perusall of his former papers and the examining of those Arguments which he met withall either in Printed bookes Manuscrip s or the Rela ion on of friends against the use of set forms of prayer in generall and of our Common prayer booke particularly And thus the Embrio biggened and being ready to be brought forth into the light an answer unto the first conceptions came to the Authors hand wherein was nothing materiall as he conceived but what was answered in the bookâ— then about to be licenced yet by reason of some exceptions in another frame suggested he judged it sufcient to annex a few marginall notes unto his booke as thou mayest observe page 13.15.24.33 c. being unwilling in a more open way to reply upon the private answer of him whom he highly prized and intending if God had spared life to have returned more
CAN stay Epist to the Reader CAN Neces of separation Epist to the Reader wisheth tendernesse of conscience to his Reader ever and anon objecteth to his â—pposites what abominations and vile corruptions they labour to justifie which formerly they condemned beareth in hand that the Scriptures speak expresly for him and the learned of all sorts ancient and moderne who would not expect faire cariage and honest dealing whereas let the whole frame of his writings be looked into with a single heart and unpartiall eye and it will be found wery corrupt loose deceitfull for the matter and stuffed with scorne reproach slander insolency and falsifications for the manner Herein whether I speake the words of truth and sobernesse let the Reader search and then give sentence But for mine owne part I desire to answer in the feare of God and not to strive with him in the like measure of sinning A good cause needs no such tricks of wit but as it is of God so it is able to maintaine and defend it self and the more sincerely it is propounded the more it will prevaile In controversies if men will keepe a good conscience their zeale must be tempered with wisedome truth and meeknesse of spirit they must speake as in Gods presence give the right sense of Scripture and make fit application of it seeke the truth in love and that victorie alone which truth will carrie According to the measure of grace received from God I shall desire to walke within these bounds and with this resolution I come to compare cause with cause and reason with reason Let the Scriptures be the only judge betweene us upon which all a Aug. Epist 48. Audi quid dicit Dominus non quid dicit Donatus c. Et de Pastor ca. 4. Ego vocem Pastoris requirâ— lege de Psalmo c. Hieron in Mat. 23. Quod ex Scriptura non habet authoritatem c. Basil de vera fide Nos omnem a Dominica doctrina alienam vocem sententiam fugiamus Chr. in 2 Cor. hom 13. Obsecro oro omnes vos ut relinquatis quid huic vel illi videatur de his scripturis haec omnia inquirite Ambr. tom 3. lib. 5. epist 31. Caeli mysterium doceat me Deus ipse non homo qui seipsum ignoravit Petrus de Aliaco praec Gerson Nullum principis edictum aut ecclesiae decretum est justum nisi sit Divinae legi consonum Novum Testamentum est malleus qui universas haereses interimit est velut lucerna lumen exhibens recurrendum est ad folas Scripturas ut aeteâ—nam salutem adipiscamur conclusions in Divinitie if sound are grounded whereby all distinctions if true are warranted After the voice of God in Scripture the determinations and practices of our Guides who are no b Mat. 11.8 Luc. 7.14 1 Reg. 14.15 sc calamus arundincus non aromaticus sâ—â— mensorius CAN stay answ sect 1. p. 47. Howsoever we must live by our owne faith notwithstanding wee are not lightly to esteeme of the determinations and practices of our Guides specially when we know they are no reedes but men stable and unchangeable in the truth Bilson Christian subject part 2. pag. 351. Many Bishops have taught lyes and and seduced Princes in the Church of God and therfore not their dignitie but their doctrine is it that princes must regard for neither prince nor people stand bound to the persons of men but unto the truth of God and unto their teachers so long as they swerve not from the truth Id. Absolute judge of truth neither prince nor priest may challenge to be for God is truth and of God I trust no man may bee judge The sonne of God saith of himselfe I am truth c. Angust de nuptiis ad Valentin l. 2. cap. 33. Optat. lib. 5. ad Parmenian And page 351. Only God is to limit and appoint by his word what shalt stand for truth and what for errour c. And as Bishops ought to discerne which is the truth before they teach so must the people discerne who teacheth right before they believe Idem page 355. As the pastors have authoritie from Christ to preach the truth and woe be to them that resist the preachers of truth so have all hearers both libertie to discerne and a charge to beware of seducers given them by the same Lord and woe be to them that doe it not reeds but men stable in the truth shall be produced for they are not lightly to be esteemed though their consent cannot bee the ground of Divine faith and assurance The Lord in mercie give us to know the things which concerne our peace comfort and salvation and make us wise to walke in all pleasing before him CHAP. I. THe Question betwixt us is Whether by the Scriptures and principles of the Nonconformists The state of the Question Separation from the Church of England be necessary or lawfull Those that hold it lawfull to be present at the preaching of the Word but not to partake in the prayers of the Congregations nor to be present at the Sacraments there administred I leave to their owne defence The necessity or lawfullnesse of Separation is that which I deny Neither is it here questioned CAN. Necessit of Separ Epist to the Reader Whether the principles of the Nonconformists be true and justifiable but whether the necessity or lawfulnesse of separation can truly and justly be inferred and concluded from them This Position therefore I lay downe as directly contrary to the other That separation from the prayers Sacraments and preaching of the Word of God in the congregations and assemblies of the Church of England is unlawful by the Scriptures that whatsoever complaints whether just or unjust the Nonconformists judicious learned and holy have made of the corruptions in our Church government Ministerie Worship Prayers Administration of the Sacrament and people received or permitted as externall members they doe not inferre either in their judgements or in truth a necessitie or lawfulnesse of Separation from our Churches as no true Churches of Christ our Ministerie as false and Antichristian our Worship as Idolatry And therefore I shall shall hope such as have separated unadvisedly if men of tender hearts they will repent of their rashnesse seeing the grounds where upon they build are rotten the building ruinous and the practice directly tending to the scandall of Religion and discomfort of their soules And now I proceed in the feare of God by the beames of Truth to try and examine what is objected to shew the necessitie of Separation from the Nonconformists principles SEC I. TO Communicate in a false Ministerie CAN. Neces of Separat ca. 1. S. 3 pag. 26 27. The Church acts of Antichristian Ministers are Idolatious Id. Stay sect 1. pag. 5. s 4. p. 28. Id. Stay Answ s 5 pag. 66. Mat. 24.5.24 Hos 4 17. See Jun. on the the place See
that clause you greatly wrong the Nonconformists and reformed Churches in charging them with this position For it is their direct assertion to the contrary that for want of orderly administration of discipline Christians are not to separate from the true and sound Churches of Jesus Christ Your phrase likewise of placing themselves about the throne of God is in no sort approved of them or of the truth it selfe As if none were placed about the throne of God or God did not graciously vouchsafe his presence unto or reigne over any assembly wherein discipline is not rightly and orderly in all points administred But here it must be noted that the power of government must be considered either in respect of the substance of it or the orderly manner of administration as was said before And a thing or office is called Antichristian in two respects First as whatsoever is not of Christ is Antichristian in which sense they of the Separation call all stinted Liturgies Antichristian Secondly as that which is derived from the authoritie and headship of the great Antichrist of Rome and dependeth upon him as his owne institution is Antichristian And to apply these things to the purpose if we take the word Antichristian in the first signification the true Church of God may be under Antichristian government in respect of the manner of dispensation of the censures that is the dispensation of the censures may be committed to such persons as are not instituted approved and set apart of Christ for that purpose and in such manner As if it be committed to an usurped power over the Brethren or to some few of many or to such as be ignorant prophant or the like It is true the light hath no fellowship with darknesse nor truth with falshood but in this life light in men is miked with darknesse and the best Christians infected with errours of Antichristianisme In many of the Martyrs of Jesus Christ both before since the revelation of Antichrist their knowledge was mingled with more darknesse and their Christianitie with more antichristianisme if you will so call it than can be found in our Church and Ministery Jos 5.7.9 See Iun. annot It is true the faithfull must labour every one in his place to bring in the ordinances of God and reforme abuses but if they cannot prevaile they must not cut themselves off from the body and excommunicate the societie For if the Church may want yea neglect the use of the Sacraments for a time and yet continue the true g Hieron in Tit. 1. Amb. in 1 Tim. 5. Bils perpet c. 11. Gratian. Decret cap. 15. qu. 7. ca. 2.5 6 7. Concil Turon 2. c. 7. Nic. Abbas Panor in decret Gregor 9. de consuetud cap. 4. Olim presbyteri in communi regebant ecclesiā ordinabant Sacerdotes Cypr. epist 6. or lib. 3. epist 10. lib. 1. epist 9. Concil Carthag 4. ca. 23. Tho. 1. 〈◊〉 qu. 71. art 5. ad tertium Bonav in 1 sent dist 48. art 2. qu. 1. in resol Scor. in 3 sent dist 9. qu. unica n. 4. Church of God then it may want the orderly use of discipline in respect of the officers by whom and the manner how it should be duely exercised For the politicall guiding of a Church by the censuring discipline is not to be compared to the want neglect of the Seales If the Church shall thinke good to keepe in a member which some private man judgeth worthy to be excommunicated must he cut off himselfe or cast out the offender contrary to the order If the Power of government be exercised by the whole body of the Societie which I conceive to belong onely to the Colledge Ecclesiasticall must I needs separate from them as no Church of Christ Affirmative precepts binde perpetually but not to all times to disposition and readinesse alwayes but to practice onely when time place and opportunitie occurreth For example a man is ever obliged to thinke the truth if he know it but not either to professe or speake the truth at all times Of affirmative duties some are absolutely necessary in men of age and discretion without which there can be no salvation as beliefe in Christ and repentance from dead works Others are necessary when God giveth h Neither doe I know what warrant any ordinary Minister hath by Gods word in such a case so to draw any such Church or people to his private ministry that therby they should hazzard their outward state quiet in the Common-wealth where they live when in some cōpetent measure they may publikely with the grace and the favour of the Magistrate injoy the ordinarie means of their salvation Vnreasona c. pag. 61. Aug. epist contr Parm. lib. 3. cap. 2. Bezacontr Eras de Excom Feild of the Ch◠lib. 1. cap. 17. Eccl. Lugdun lib. de tenenda verit script post medium in Biblioth patr tom 4. par 2. edit 4. opportunitie and calleth a man forth thereunto as profession of the faith by joyning our selves to the Church of God and partaking of the Sacraments Others oblige in a time free which doe not oblige in a time not free as when urgent necessitie the circumstance of time and place the state and condition of things doe restraine and keepe backe As the exercise of Ecclesiasticall discipline against open obstinâte offenders is an affirmative dutie imposed by divine law upon the Governours of the Church or as you say upon the whole Societie But it lyeth not upon this or that particular member to doe it or separate when others be remisse and either be not perswaded of or doe neglect their dutie and will not be drawne unto it They be not of the lowest ranke who thinke it may and ought to be forborne when it cannot be used without open and unavoidable schisme When a doctrinall errour of lesse importance and small evill consequence prevaileth in a Church by publique authoritie it is not the dutie of a private Teacher publiquely to strive against it to manifest apparent schismes but rather in a milde and peaceable manner to cure them and peaceably to tolerate some things when the good of Gods Church doth call for and require it Who doth not calmely and peaceably moderate that which he thinketh but is readie incontinent to contentions dissentions and scandals although he have not an hereticall sense most certainly he hath an hereticall minde And though the i The Apostleanever erected planted publike Churches and Ministers in the face of the Magistrate whether they would or no or in despite of them But such in respect of the eye of the Magistrate were as private as might be Vnreasonablenesse of Separat pag. 59. Government of the Church dependeth upon the ordinance of God yet it is not for every particular and private man to set up that order in societies professing the faith publiquely and established by Law against the mind and pleasure of the Christian Magistrate And