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A19033 The plea for infants and elder people, concerning their baptisme, or, A processe of the passages between M. Iohn Smyth and Richard Clyfton wherein, first is proved, that the baptising of infants of beleevers, is an ordinance of God, secondly, that the rebaptising of such, as have been formerly baptised in the apostate churches of Christians, is utterly unlawful, also, the reasons and objects to the contrarie, answered : divided into two principal heads, I. Of the first position, concerning the baptising of infants, II. Of the second position, concerning the rebaptising of elder people. Clyfton, Richard, d. 1616. 1610 (1610) STC 5450; ESTC S1572 214,939 244

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discovery_n and_o as_o i_o have_v practise_v for_o which_o i_o be_o reproach_v among_o your_o brethren_n yet_o i_o never_o profeess_v my_o readiness_n to_o be_v pervert_v from_o the_o truth_n which_o you_o call_v heresy_n and_o therefore_o if_o you_o do_v undertake_v to_o write_v upon_o this_o ground_n you_o may_v well_o have_v spare_v your_o pain_n and_o save_v yourself_o from_o so_o grevous_a a_o sin_n by_o plead_v for_o antichristian_a corruption_n etc._n etc._n the_o ground_n of_o my_o persuasion_n concern_v your_o willingness_n to_o yield_v unto_o the_o truth_n do_v arise_v partly_o from_o that_o persuasion_n which_o i_o have_v of_o your_o sanctification_n and_o partly_o from_o the_o speech_n of_o the_o messenger_n before_o name_v ●ho_fw-mi do_v affirm_v unto_o i_o that_o if_o i_o can_v manifest_v by_o the_o word_n of_o god_n ●hat_n it_o be_v error_n which_o you_o hold_v you_o will_v acknowledge_v it_o and_o still_o ●ou_fw-mi say_v if_o you_o be_v in_o error_n it_o be_v 71._o be_v 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lev._n 19_o 2_o even_o †_o holiness_n the_o circumcision_n of_o the_o hart_n *_o repentance_n 10._o repentance_n deut._n 10._o the_o service_n of_o the_o hart_n and_o soul_n and_o that_o the_o lord_n do_v principal_o require_v 13._o ●6_n jer._n 4._o 4._o ●_o hos_fw-la 14._o 2_o ●el_a 2._o 12._o ●3_n ps_n 4._o 4_o ●_o deut._n 10._o ●_o 6._o 4._o 5._o ●sa_fw-la 1._o 11_o ●_o &_o 58._o 2_o ●4_n 5._o ps_n ●0_n 8._o 13._o spiritual_a worship_n of_o they_o appear_v by_o his_o †_o rejection_n of_o their_o ceremonial_a worship_n when_o it_o be_v offer_v up_o without_o the_o spiritual_a and_o by_o exhort_v to_o the_o spiritual_a as_o psal_n 50._o 14._o 15._o to_o offer_v praise_n and_o to_o call_v upon_o he_o and_o psal_n 4._o 5._o to_o offer_v the_o sacrifice_n of_o righteousness_n and_o in_o hoseah_n 14._o 2._o to_o pray_v for_o pardon_n and_o to_o render_v up_o the_o calf_n of_o their_o lip_n and_o consequent_o faith_n in_o christ_n without_o 6_o without_o heb._n 11._o 6_o which_o all_o 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