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A30532 Many strong reasons confounded, which would hinder any reasonable man from being a Quaker and offences taken out of the way, but particularly foure and twenty arguments overturned and confuted, put forth and sent into the world by Richard Baxter, a professed minister, but a frequent contenter against the ways of God ... / ... by ... E.B. Burrough, Edward, 1634-1662. 1657 (1657) Wing B6011A; ESTC R14497 21,411 23

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not be a Quaker 2. His second reason is No wise man can be a Quaker saith he because their Religion is an uncertain thing and so is not the Religion that must save us c. I answer This again is utterly false and no man that hath Gods wisdom would speak it for our Religion which we professe is a certain thing and we have openly declared it once and again and this is it To believe in Christ and to receive Christ and to be lead by the spirit of Christ and caught in all things to love God with all the heart and a mans neighbor as himself and through the power of Christ dwelling in man to do all good and to be kept from all evil This in very short is our Religion and it is a very certain and established Religion and this Religion we all agree in And this in short is the substance of our faith Even Christ in us believed on and received by us This is the truth and his lyes is judged and if he say this is an uncertain Religion let him give it under his hand and subscribe to it and he shall have a further Reply 3. His third Reason is No man of reason ●hould be a Quaker considering that amongst those scraps of their Religion which is made known there is so much notorious falshood and ungodlinesse saith he Ans. Let all Christian people mark this his Reason they are even lyes heaped one upon another What secret slanders are these behinde our backs who never would clear himself of what is truly charged against him in answer to his Catechism his words are turned by as utter lyes for that which we profess and practice for Religion which we have made known by word and writing is uprightness godliness sincerity and truth and neither notorious falshood nor ungodliness as he wickedly saith And why did not he make it appear what this notorious falshood and ungodliness had been that had been more honest then to cast his charges and prove nothing And whereas he saith The very person of Christ Iesus many of them doth blaspheme c. this is utterly false for Jesus Christ have we owned and believed in onely and for his sake we do and suffer hard things 4. His fourth Reason is saith he Because their false pernicious Doctrines their practical Religion doth much consist in most notorious wicked injujustice and uncharitableness c. Ans. Here is lye upon lye uttered and wickedness joyned to wickedness and drunk up as an Oxe drinks up water and no conscience made thereof by Richard Baxter it had been just to have mentioned these pernicious Doctrines their practical Religion injustice and uncharitableness and not to have slandered in the dark but we are delivered by the Lord from all pernicious Doctrines and notorious wickedness whatsoever and we find this false Reproacher guilty himself and his people of what he accuseth the innocent And so his words are 〈◊〉 unto himself and upon his own head I turn them ● His fifth Reason is The worst of all saith he is That they behave themselves like malignant enemies to the very Church and Gospel and Servants of Iesus Christ c. Ans. This man speaks as if he had sold himself wholly to lye but my answer to his first Reason is sufficient to answer this also and doth say That the Cause and the Church and the Gospel and Servants of Iesus Christ we do fully and freely own and are daylie exercised therein as the very Servants of Iesus and are friends thereof in our hearts and doth not behave our selves in any way as enemies thereunto God will judge every lying tongue and shall condemn our false Accusers guilty of that which they charge the guiltless to reprove and bear witness against the wild wicked and rude conversations and against such as have gotten the Saints words and by art frame an hours discourse thereupon for so much a Sermon or so much a yeer to deny such to be a Church of Christ and Ministers of Christ this we do and doth not behave our selves like enemies to the Church or Gospel or Ministers and servants of Christ as our Adversary wickedly saith 6. His sixth Reason saith he That part of the Quakers peculiar Religion which consists not in error and malignant impudency is made up very much of it of childish and unreasonable foppery c. Ans. As I have said No part of our Religion consists in error and malignant impudency and as for that which he calls childish and unreasonable foppery we stand not to mans judgement for it is a small thing with us for to be judged of any man for we do acknowledge that we are become fools for Christs sake and herein we have cause to glory though he upbraid us with it and it was such as he who called Paul a Babler and that his Doctrine was madness as he saith ours in foppery and let him know that which is foolishnesse with man is wisdom with God and we know God will confound the wisest of men by that which they may judge to be foolish unreasonable foppery for to such who are lost our Gospel is hid where the god of this world hath blinded their eye as it is plain he hath done this our Adversaries and that is the reason wherefore he hath sent forth such lying Scribbles from his study of wicked inventions and let him make the best use of his wisdom he can he can but serve the Devil with it while his wisdom is sensual and divillish And let him leave us to our childishnesse and folly and let the issue prove whether is the safer guide 7. His seventh Reason is saith he Their malignancy doth blinde them to make that the principal cause of their rage and reviling the Ministry which is plainly agreeable to the will of God and necessary to the Churches good Ans. This is false also we are not blinded but doth see Richard Baxter and all such to be out of the way of truth and peace And as for rage and reviling against the Ministers that is false also though indeed we do openly reprove deceivers and we know it is not agreeable to the will of God and necessary to the Churches good though he saith it is for Ministers of Christ to take tythes or to have a 〈◊〉 ●●intenance for never none of the Ministers of Christ that we read of in Scripture either took tythes to maintain them or had a set-maintenance but all that Christ allows to his Ministers is to eat such things as were set before them And in that he saith We liken them to covetous Priests among the Iews that is true to whom should we liken them but to them that practised the same things as they do And I am sure there never was priests in any generation that were more covetous then these of England are as in many particulars might be shewed for as the false prophets in Israel did so do these
doth condemn unrighteousnesse and bring war and a sword upon earth as Christs Doctrine did And this is the good where wee come Many are changed from wickednesse rudenesse and ungodlinesse to live soberly righteously and purely in this present world without offence towards God and men For to say We make people both to hate godly Teachers and people this is utterly false for we endeavor to bring people to the true Teacher Christ Jesus and to have fellowship with the Saints It 's true in the world our Doctrine doth make division and doth set a man at varience and doth set Father against Son and Son against Father even as Christ did and his Doctrine so he saith we do But again he belyes us in saying We bring people into confusion and abominable error or that we cast people into a malicious mood or tincture of bitterness this is also false and this is my Answer He that doth the will of our Father knows of our Doctrine whether we be of God or of our selves and to all the world besides we are unknown and desires to be manifest to every mans conscience in the sight of God and not to that wisdom which is of this world And though he scorn at such who are made to cast off their Points and Lace yet is not this more then any fruit that his Doctrine hath brought forth for as we do so did the Apostle exhort against all superfluity of naughtiness as Points and Laces are and it seems that such as depart from iniquity become a prey to such wicked mens slandering and scornful tongues and a maner to make Bookes of to send into the world 17. His seventeenth Reason Saith he It is no great encouragement to us to turn Quakers when we consider who are their followers very few experienced sober Christians turn to them saith he but such who are ignorant and ungrounded and raw professors c. Ans. To this I answer Let no man take encouragement from without to turn Quaker or to own the way of Gods salvation but let every one feel a measure of God in his own heart converting him from sinne unto righteousnesse and drawing his mind from the vanity and hypocrisie of this world to the truth and singlenesse of heart And he appears to be of the spirit of the Pharisees who said None but a company of poor people which were accursed followed Christ and so saith he in effect None but such as are ignorant and such like But what if there were not any other but such who owned the way of the Lord this is a confirmation of it rather then a cause of objecting against it when such who are ignorant are brought to the knowledge of God But yet his words are false for it is known that very many honest humble sober men and people who have all their dayes been sincere towards God in what they have known of him have and do own us and indeed all that ever owns God and Salvation shall own us for we are of God and he that is of God heareth us and the whole world lyes in wickednesse And such as are self-conceited and in pride and wise in their own eyes and in the wickedness of the world such are his followers and not ours though he falsely say it for such as follow Christ have we fellowship with and not with such as walk in darkness 18. His eighteenth Reason Saith he It is an evident judgement of God upon these people that turn Quakers and a punishment for their former sins c. Ans. To this I answer The Lord God his Angels and all his Saints and Servants I call to record against thee and they all shall witnesse that it is mercy and not judgement upon them that owns the way of the Lord And them that owned the Quakers in truth and sincerity have and do witness a remission of their former sins and forgiveness of them by Jesus Christ and not a punishment for them And Richard Baxter may please himself and some others with his reasonless Reasons as these are yet they are not worthy of the name of Reason they be so senseless and utterly false And though he railes against the Anabaptists as well as against us yet any man whose eye is open sees his folly turns it upon his own head And he may conceit himself in these things for a moment but the day of the Lord will declare it otherwise and that upon us mercy and peace shall be and not judgement nor wrath 19. His nineteenth Reason Saith he They are already in division among themselves as the contention between Nayler and Fox and their followers doth shew To this I answer Though an occasion may come and be taken against the truth yet wo unto him by whom it comes and to them who doth receive it for the testimony of truth abides for ever But as about that division he speakes of it hath been answered by writings several times and now I say It happened but as a tryal to the Lords people and not to destroy them though the enemy boasts himself because of it yet the Lord knows how to preserve his in the midst of temptation But these things are now at an end though a temptation presented it self yet it overcame not and truth is the same and the testimony thereof doth never change and all these refuges which the wicked flyes unto shall not cover them when the Lord appears 20. His twentieth Reason And saith he To make all their delusions more odious wickednesse they father it upon the Holy Ghost c. Ans. His words are utterly false yet we say we have received the Holy Ghost which teacheth us and leadeth us into all truth and by it are we lead out of all wickedness and delusion and all wicked speeches which he brands us withall and these things are his own for he is seen to be in delusion and odious wickedness and wicked speeches And saith he They speak against the DOCTRINE of the SPIRIT and cryes down the love of the Saints and against the Ordinances of the Ministers of Christ To this I have answered In the love union with all the Saints we are and Ministers of Christ but against Hypocrisie we declare such who profess what they are not and use their tongues and saith the Lord saith when the Lord hath not spoken to them and sprinkle Infants and saith it is ●n ordinance of Christ and singing Davids Experiences in Rime and Meeter with many other things which the Priests hath in their practice such things we deny to be Ordinances of Christ and them to be Ministers of Christ which do practice them and this we do say by the spirit of truth But that we prenounce damnation against Gods Church and holy Servants this is false again and is but the fulfilling the number of his lyes and though he charge us secretly with preaching another Gospel then that which Paul preached is false and if we