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A16571	All the examinacions of the constante martir of God M. Iohn Bradforde before the Lorde Chauncellour, B. of Winchester the B. of London, [and] other co[m]missioners: whervnto ar annexed, his priuate talk [and] conflictes in prison after his condemnacion, with the Archbishop of york, the B. of Chichester, Alfonsus, and King Philips confessour, two Spanishe freers, and sundry others. With his modest learned and godly answeres. Anno. Domini 1561	Bradford, John, 1510?-1555.	1561 (1561)	STC 3477; ESTC S116578	60,488	240

how I was certain of saluaciō of my religion Marie quod I amittinge all formalities saue y t I thācked thē for their good wil by the word of god by the scriptures I am certein of saluacion and of my religion Verye wel said quod my Lord of yorke But howe doo you knowe the worde of God and the scriptures but by the church In dede my Lorde quoth I the churche was and is a meane to bring a mā more spedely to know the scriptures and the woorde of God as was the woman of Samaria was a meane y t the Samaritains knew Christ but as when they had herd hym speake they said now we know y t he is Christ not bycause of the woordes but bycause we our selfes haue heard hym so quoth I after we come to the hearing and reading of the scriptures showed to vs and discerned by the church we doo beleue them and know them not by cause the church saith they are the scriptures but bicause they be so beinge therof assured by the same spirite whiche wrote and spake them ▪ yea quoth my lord of yorke but you know in the Apostles time at the firste the word was not written True quoth I if you meane it for some bokes of the bokes of the newe Testamēt but els for the olde testament Peter telleth vs that we haue Firmiorem sermonem Propheticum a more sure worde of prophecie Not quod I that it is simplie so but in respecte of the Apostles persons whiche beinge a liue and compassed with infirmitie attributed to the worde written more firmitie as wherewith no faulte coulde be founde whereas for the infyrmitye of their ꝑsons men perchaūce might haue founde some faulte at there perchīng Albeit in verie dede no lesse obedience faith ought to haue ben giuen to the one then to the other as being all of one spirite of truth That place of Peter quoth my Lorde of yorke is not so to be vnderstande of the worde of God written yes sir quoth I that it is and of none other yea in dede quoth my lord of Chichester maister Bradford doth tel you y e truth in that pointe Well quoth my Lorde of yorke you knowe that Ireneus and others do magnify much the churche and alledge the Churche againste heretickes and not the scriptures True quoth I for they had to do with suche heretickes as dyd denye the scriptures and yet dyd magnifie the Apostles that they were inforsed to vse those churches wherin the Apostles had taught and that churche stil had receiued the same doctrine you speake the verie truethe quoth my Lorde of Chichester for the heretickes did refuse all scriptures excepte it were a peice of Lukes gospell Then quoth I the alledginge of the churche can not be primarlye or principallye vsed againste me whiche am so farre from denyinge of the scriptures that I appele vnto them vtterlye as to the onelye iudge Io .xii. A pretye matter quoth my Lorde of yorke that you will take vppon you to iudge the Churche I praye you where was your ●hurche this manye yeres for the Churche of Chryste is Catholicke and visible Hytherto my Lorde quoth I I doo not iudge the churche when I discerne it from that congregacion those whiche be not in it And I neuer denied the church to be Catholike and visible althoughe at some times it is more visible thē at som I praye you quoth my Lorde of Chichester tel me where the churche which alowed your doctrine was this .iiii. C. yeres ▪ I will tel you my Lorde quoth I or rather you shall tell it you selfe If you will tell me where the church was in Helias time when Helias said that he was lefte alone That is no aunswere quoth my Lorde of Chichester I am more sorye you saye so quoth I But this will I tell you lordshipp that the same eies wherewith a mā might haue espied the church thē yf you nowe had them you would not saye it were no answere The fault why the churche is not sene of you is not bycause the churche is not visible but bicause your eyes are not clere ynoughe to se it you are much deceiued quoth he to make such a collation betwine the churche then now Verie well speks my Lord quoth the Byshoppe of yorke for Christes saith Edificabo ecclesiam meam I wyll buylde my churche and not I do or haue buyld it but I will build it My lord quoth I Peter taught me to make this collacion saying as in the people there was false Prophetes whiche were muche in estima●ion afore Christes comming so shall there be false teachers nowe and verye manye shall followe them And as for your futurtence I hope your grace quod I wil not exclude thereby Christs church not to haue ben before ▪ but rather that there is no buyldinge in the Churche but by Christes woorke onelye For Paule and Apollo be but waterers In good faith maister Bradford quoth my my lord of Chichester I am sorye to see you so litle to mind the churche He taketh vpon him as they al doo to iudge the church quod my Lorde of yorke A man shall neuer come to certentie that doth as they doo My Lorde quoth I take me beseche you in good part I speake simplie what I thincke and I desire reason to aunswere my obiections your affections sorowes can not by rules If that you consider the ende and cause of my condempnacion I can not thincke but that it shoulde so● thinge moue your honours you knowe it well ynoughe for you herd it no matter was layed againste me but what was gathered vppon myne one confession Bycause I denyed transubstantiacion and the wycked to receaue Christes body in the Sacramente therfore I was condempned and excommunicate but not of the Church although the pillers of the same as they be taken dyd it No quoth my Lorde of Chichester I herd say that the cause of youre prisonemente was for that you exhorced the people to take the sword in the one hande and the matocke in the other I neuer ment any suche thynge nor speake any thynge in that sorte my lord quoth I. yea quoth my Lorde of Yorke you behaued your selfe before the Counsell so stoutlye at the first that you woulde defend the Religion then and therefore worthelye were you punished your grace quoth I did here me aunswere my Lorde Chauncellor in that pointe But put the case I had ben so stote as they and your grace make it was not the lawes of y e realme on me side then wherfore vniustlie I was punished Onely transubstantiacion which was had on myne owne confession was the thing on which my lorde Chauncellor proceded you denye the presence quoth my lord of yorke I do not quoth I to the faith of the worthy receauer Why quoth he what is that thē to saye that Christe lyeth not of the alter No my lorde quoth I in dede I beleue not suche

sought his sauegard with the perill of myne owne life I thank god therefore That is not trew quoth the bishop of Lōdon for I my self did see thee take vpō thee to muche No quoth Bradforde I tooke nothinge vppon me vndesired and that of master Bourn himselfe as if he were here presēt I dare saye he woulde affirme it for hee desired me bothe to helpe him to pacifie the people and not to leaue him till he was in safety And as for my behauioure in the Towre and talk before your hohours if I did or saide any thing that did not beseme me if wherin your lordships woulde tell me I should and would shortely make you aunswer Wel quoth my lord Chancelor to leaue this matter how saist thou now wilt thou returne again and doe as we haue done and thou shalte receiue the Queenes mercy and pardon M● lorde quoth Bradforde I desire mercy with gods mercy but mercy with Gods wrathe god keepe me from althoughe I thanke God therefore my conscience doeth not accuse me that I did or spake any thīg wherfore I should nede to receiue mercye or pardon For all that euer I did or spake was agreinge to Goddes lawes and the lawes of the realm at that presēt and did make much quietnes Well quoth my lord Chancelor if thou make this bablīg rolling in thy eloquent tonge beyng altogether ignoraunt and vayne glorious and will not receyue mercy offered to thee knowe for trueth that the Quene is mynded to make a purgacion of all suche as thou arte The Lorde quoth Bradforde to fore whom I stand as well as before you knoweth what vain glory I haue sought and seke in this behalf His mercy I desire also would bee glad of the Queenes fauor to lyue as a subiecte without clogge of conscience but otherwise the lordes mercye is to me better then lyfe And I knowe quoth he to whom I haue committed my life euē to his handes which will kepe it so that no man maye take it awaye before it be his pleasure There ar 1● houres in the daie and as long as they last so long shall no man haue power theron Therfore his good will be done life in his dyspleasure is worse then death and death in his true fauour is trewe lyfe I knowe wel ynough quoth my Lorde Chauncellor that wee shoulde haue glorious talke ynough of thee be sure therefore y t as thou hast deceyued the people with false and deuilishe doctrine so shalte thou receiue I haue not deceiued quod Bradforde the people nor taught any other doctrine then by Gods grace I am and hope shall be ready to confirme with my lyfe And as for deuilishnesse and falsenesse in the doctrine I woulde bee sorye you could so proue it Why quoth the Bishop of Duresme tell me what you say by the ministracion of the communion as you now know it is My lorde saithe Bradforde here must I desire of your Lordeship and of all youre honours a question tofore I doe make aunswere to any intergatorie or question wherewith you now begin I haue bene .vi. tymes sworne y t I should in no case consent to the practysing of any iurisdiccion or any authoritie on the Bishop of Romes behalf within this realm of Englande Nowe therfore before God I humbly pray your honours to tel me whether you ask me this question by his aucthoritie or not If you dooe I dare not nor maye not aunswere you anye thyng in his aucthorite you shall demaunde of me excepte I would be forsworne whiche God forbid Hast thou bene sworne .vi. tymes quoth maister Secretarye Burne what offices haste thou borne Here is an other lie quoth my Lorde Chauncelor Forsooth quoth Bradfoode I was thryse sworn in Cambridge whē I was admitted maister of Arte when I was admitted felowe in Pēbrock Hall and when I was there the Visiters came thether and sware the Vniuersitye Agayne I was sworne when I entered into the mynisterye when I hadde a prebende geuen me and when I was sworne to serue the Kynge a litle before his death Tushe quoth my lorde Chauncelor Herodes othes a man should make no consciēce at But quoth Bradford mi lord these othes wer no Herodes othes nor no vnlawfull othes but othes according to gods woorde as you youre selfe haue well affirmed in youre boke de Vera obediētia My lords quoth an other of the counsel y t stode by the table M. Rochester I wene I neuer knewe wherfore this mā was in prison before nowe but I see wel that it had not bene good that this man had beene abrode What so euer was the cause he was laide in prison I know not but I now see well y t not without cause he was and is to be kept in prisone Yea quoth Secretarye Bourn it was reported this parliament tyme by the Erle of Derby that he hath doone more hurte by letters and exhortinge these y t haue come to him in religion thē euer he did when he was abrode by preachinge In his letters he curseth al that teacheth false doctrine for so he calleth that whiche is not accordīg to that he taught and moste earnestly exhorteth thē to whome he writeth to continue still in that they haue receiued by him and such lyke as he is All which woordes diuers others of of the counsel affirmed wherunto the saide maister Bourn added saying howe saye you serra speaking to Bradforde haue you not thus sediciouslye written and exhorted the people I haue quoth Bradford written nor spoken any thing sediciouslye and I thanke god therefore I haue not admytted any sedicious cogitacion nor I trust neuer shall dooe yea but thou haste wrytten letters quoth maister Secretary Bourne why speakest thou not quoth my lord Chauncelour hast thou not written as he saith That quoth Bradforde I haue wrytten I haue written Lorde God quoth M. Southwell what an arrogant stubburne boye is this that thus stoutlye and dallyengly behaue hymself before the Queenes coūsell whereat one looked vpon an other with disdaynefull countenaunce My lordes and masters quoth Bradforde the Lorde God whiche is and wyll iudge vs all knoweth that as I am certayne I stande nowe before his maiestye so wyth reuerence in hys syghte I stande beefore you vnto youre and accordyngly in woordes and gesture I desyre to behaue my selfe yf you otherwyse take it I doubte not but God in hys tyme wyll reuele it In the meane season I shall suffer with all due obedyence your sayinges and deedes too I hope These bee gay glorious wordes quoth my Lorde Chauncelour of reuerēce reuerence but as in al other thynges so hrrein thou doest nothyng but lye Well quoth Bradforde I would God the authour of trueth and abhorrer of lyes woulde pul my tounge out of my head before you all and shewe a terrible iudgemente on me here presentlye yf I haue purposed or dooe purpose to lye beefore you whatsoeuer you shall aske me Why then quoth my lord

a presence I semeth quoth my Lorde of Chichester that you haue not red Chrysostome for he poīteth it Of truth my lord quoth I hitherto I haue ben kepte well ynough withoute bokes howbeit this I remember of Chrisostome that he lyeth vppon the altar as the Seraphins do touch our lips with y e coules of the altar in heauen whiche is an Hiperbolicall locucion as you knowe Chrisostome floweth with them It is to euident quoth my lord of yorke that you are gon to farre but let vs come againe to y e churche out of the whiche you are excommunicated I am not quoth I my lord Although they whiche seme to be in the churche and of the churche haue excommuninicate me as the pore blind man was Ihon .9 I hope Christ receueth me you deceaue your selfe ꝙ he and here muche was spoken of excommunicacion At the laste I said my Lorde I pray you beare with me that whiche I shall simplye speake before you Assuredly quoth I as I thinck you did well to departe from the Romishe churche so I thincke you haue done wickedly to couple vs to it againe for you can neuer proue it which you make the mother Churche to be christes churche Oh maister Bradford quoth my lorde of Chichester you were but a childe when this matter began I was a yonge man then cōming from the vniuersitie went with the woorlde but I tell you it was alwaies agaīst my stomack ▪ I was but a child then quoth I ▪ how be it as I told you I thincke you haue done euill for nowe we are come to the wicked mā which sitteth in the Temple of god ▪ that is in the churche for it cannot be vnderstād of the Mahumet or any out of the churche but of suche as beare rule in the church ▪ See quoth my lord of yorke howe you builde your faith vpō such places of scripture as are moste obscure to deceaue your selfe as thoughe you were in the church where you are not Well my lorde quoth I thoughe I might by your frutes iudge of you and others yet will not I vtterly condempne you for euer oute of the churche for perchaunce you sinne of ignoraunce ▪ if I were in your case I thincke not quoth I that I should not cōdēpne him vtterly y t is of my faith in the Sacrament knowinge as you know that at y e least .viii. C. yeres after Christs as my lord of Durisme writteth It was free to beleue or not to beleue transubstātiatiō This is a toye quoth he that you haue found out of your owne brayne as thoughe a man not beleuing as the churche doth That is transubstantiacion were of the Churche he is an hereticke and so none of the churche quoth my lord of Chichester that dothe hold any doctrine againste the definition of the Churche as nowe you do hold against transubstan●●atiō And he brought furth Ciprian whiche was no Hereticke thoughe he beleued rebaptizinge of them whiche were baptized of heretickes bicause he held it before the churche had defined it where as if he had holden it after then had he ben an hereticke Oh my lord quod I wil you condempne to the deuil any man that beleueth truely the .12 article of y e faith wherein I take the vnitie of Christes churche to consiste al thoughe in some pointes he beleue not the definitions of that whiche you cal the churche If I shall speake to you franckelye I doubte not but he y t holdeth syncerlye the articles of oure belefe thought in other thinges he dissent from your definitions yet he shalbe saued yea quod they both this is your doctrine No quoth I it is Paule whiche saith that if they hold the foundacion Christe thoughe they build vppon hym Hey strawe and stouble yet they shalbe saued Lord god quoth my lord of yorke howe you delite to leyne to so hard and darke places of scripture yea quoth my Lord of Chichester I will shewe you howe that Luther doth excommunicate zwinglius for this matter so red a place of Luther making for his purpose My lord quoth I what Luther writteth as you muche passe not of so do I in this case my faith is not build of Luther zwinglius or Ecolampadius in this point And in dede to tel you truelye I neuer red anye of their woorkes in this matter As for their persons what so euer theire sayinges were yet doo I thincke assuredly that they were and are gods children and sainctes with him Wel quoth my lord of yorke you are out of the cōmunion of y e church I am not quoth I. For it cōsisteth is in faith Loo quoth he howe you make your churche inuisible that would haue the comunion of it to consiste in faithe yea and like your grace quoth I for to haue cōmuniō with y e churche neadeth not visiblenesse of it cōmunion consisteth as I said in faith and not in exforior ceremonies as appeareth both by Paule whiche woulde haue Vnam fidem by Ireneus to Victor for y e obseruaciō of Ester saing that Dissonantiam ieiunii should not Rumpere consonantiam fide That same place quoth my lord of chichester hath often euen wounded my cōscience because we disceuered our selfes frō the Sea of Rome Wel quoth I God forgeue you for I thincke you haue done euyll to bringe England thyther againe your honors know I am plain therfore I beseche you beare with me Here my Lord of yorke toke a boke of paper of common places out of his bosome and red a peice of Saint Augustine Contra Epistolam fundamenti howe that there were many thinges that did hold saint Augustine in the bosome of the church consent of people and natiōs aucthoritie cōfirmed with miracles nourished with hope increased wyth charitie established with ātiquitie Besides this there holdethe me in the churche saith saint Augustine stil the successions of priestes from Peters seate vntil this present Bishoppe Last of all the verye name of Catholicke doctrine dothe holde me Loo quoth he howe saye you to this of Saint Augustine point● me oute your churche thus My Lord quoth I this of saint Augustine maketh as muche for me as for you althoughe I might aunswere that al these if they had ben alledged to bee so firme as you make them they might haue ben alledged againste Christ and his Apostles for ther was the lawe and ceremonies consented in by the people confirmed with miracles antiquitie and continual succession of byshoppes frō Aarons tyme vntil that present In good faith quod my lord of Chichester maister Bradford you marke to muche the state of the churche before Christs comming Sir quod I therein I do but as Peter teacheth .2 Pet. 2. and Paule verye oftē you would gladly haue your church heare verye glorious and as a most pleasante Ladie but as a moste pleasante ladye but as Christes saith Beatus est quicunque non fuerit offensus per me so maye his churche saye blessed

sayeth he that eateth of of the bread callinge it bread stil and that after consecraciō as you cal it And so brought furth the sentence of the .10 to the Corinthe the breade whiche we breake c. Oh quoth he how ignoraunt are you which knowe not that thinges retaine the names they had after their cōuersion as Moyses Rood And here they called for a Bible and so was all moste a quarter of an houre before he could find out the place finding faulte at the Bible bycause it was Vataples Bible At the lenght when he had found it lord God howe he triumphed but I cooled the heate furthwith for syr quoth I there is mencion made of the conuersion as well as the same appered to the sence but quoth I here you cannot fynd it so finde me one worde how the bread is conuerted and I will then saye you bringe some matter that maketh for you At these wordes he was troubled at the lenght he said howe that I hanged on mine owne sence No quoth I that doo I not For I will bringe you furth for .viii. C. yeres after Christe the fathers of the church to cōfirme this which I spake No quoth he you haue the churche againste you I haue not quoth I christ church against me yes y t you haue sayth he And so asked me what the church was Marie quoth I Christs wife the cheare and seate of veritie Is she visible quoth he ye that she is quoth I if that you wil put on the spectacles of gods word to loke on her This churche quoth he hath defyned the contrarye and that will I proue by all the good fathers continuallye frō Christes Ascencension euer for .15 C. yeres at y e leaste cōtinually What will you proue so quoth I transubstantiation yea quoth he that y e bread is turned īto Christs bodie you speake more then you can do quod I. That do I not quod he Then quod I. I wil giue place Wil you beleue quod he Beleue ▪ ꝙ I ▪ is gods gift therfore cannot I ꝓmise but I tel you quod I that I wil giue place I hope shal beleue gods truth alwaies so good is he Here he foūd a grreat faulte w t me y t I would not deserne betwixte Habitum et actum as though Actus which he called credulitie had ben in our powre but this he let passe cōmeth againe asking me if he could proue it as he said whether that I would giue place yea ꝙ I that I wil. Here was called for paper pen and yncke to writte And then I said what and if that I proue it you continuallye for .viii. C. yeres after Christe at the least the substabnce of bred to remayne in the Sacrament by the testimonie of the Fathers what will you do quod I I will giue place quod he with this paper came in Then said I writte you howe that you wyll gyue place if I so proue I wil write that I wyll gyue place yf you so proue Bycause you are the aunciente you shall haue the preeminaunce Lord God howe angry he was nowe and said that he came not to lerne at me so saide here is two witnesses meaning it of the two pristes and they be sufficiedt And so here about we had much ado to none effecte but to a plaine scolding if I had not giuē place to the furor of Alphonsus for he was verye testie and hastie and here he dispreased Bucer and all that praised hym with muche other talke At the lenght the confessor asked me of the seconde question what it was Sir quoth I that the wicked men receaue not Christes bodie in the sacrament as Sainte Augustin speaketh of Iudas that he receaued Panem domini but not panem dominū S. Augustin sayth not so quoth Alphōsus yes y t doth he quoth I so they rose vp talked no more of that matter but asked me how they should get me all the fathers and old aucthors that proue and affirme the bread to be turned into Christes bodie Sir quoth I you maye sone doo it howbeit bycause you shall not trouble youre self if I maye haue my bokes I nead no more but notes of y e places Thus they went their waies howe they brooked my talke I cā not tell for they bad me not farewell After they were gon commeth one of the priestes and willed me not to be so obstinate Sir quoth I be not you so wauering In all the scriptures cannot you find me non est panis yes thst I can quoth he in .5 places Then will I eate your boke quoth I so the boke was opened but no place founde and he wente his waye smiling God helpe vs. Vpon the .21 of Marche by the meanes of one of y t Erle of Darby his men lefte behind my lorde his maister for y e soliting of my cause as he said to me there came to the Coūter to diner one maister Collior ones warden of Maūchester the said seruaūt of y e Erle of darbie of whome I lerned y e maister doctor Westone Deane of westm̄ would be with me in y ● after none aboute .2 of the clocke or before At diner therfore when the sayd warden dyd discommend kynge Edwarde and went about to sett furth the aucthoritie of the Pope whiche I with stode defendinge the kinges faith that it was Catholike and that the aucthoritie of the Byshoppe of Rome his supremycie was vsurped bringing furth the testimonie of Gregorie which calleth y e name of supreame head to be a title of y t foriner to an techrist a woman prisoner was brought in where vpō I toke occasiō to rise frō the table so went to my prison Chāber to begge of god grace and helpe therin continuing there stil vntil I was called down to speake which maisterster Weston So soone as I came into the hall maister weston verye gentlie toke me by the hand asked me how I did with such other talke At y e lenght he willed auoidaunce of the chāber so they all went out saue maister weston himself maister Collior y e Erle of Darbie his seruaūt y t subdeane of we wm̄ the keꝑ maister Clayden the ꝑson of the churche wher the Counter is Nowe then he beginneth to tel me how y t he was often mynded to haue come vnto me beinge therto desired of the Erle of Darby and quod he after that I perceaued by his man that you could be cōtented rather to speake with me then any others I could not but come to do you good if I cā for hurt be sure I wil not Sir quoth I. When I perceued by the reporte of my lord seruaunte that you did beare me good will more as he said thē any other of your sorte I told him thē that therfore I could be better contente more willing to talke with you if you should come vnto me This did I say quoth I other wise